ECL '23 brings 1v1, bigger prizes and World Finals to the table - are you ready to ramp things up to the next level?

WATCH OUT EVERYONE! 

THE FACEPALM KNIGHTS @Frans-Finand @wade(wadepaananenenenene - wrong tag, can't delete it) is here! 

First of their Name, Queens of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Sportsgamer

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by iSvamp

48 minuuttia sitten, iSvamp kirjoitti:

Bullshit. Caps Gaming is for free.

Yep and that is a very good organized tournament, Zürich esports you like to play caps gaming tournament😄😄😄 @IDangledYouOut @Keuschemisch

I'm kind of in the neutral about this. I'm very competitive and am all in for bigger prize pools, but having played the last few tournaments in Core, understand the arguments for the license removals.

If and when we are going down the route of licenses and fees for tournaments, i truly think the community will and probably should be divided. SportsGamer is heading towards professionalism, and that costs money. This was bound to happen.

 Maybe SportsGamer could come up with tournaments for those who are ACTUALLY competitive, and then separate ones for those who just want to play somewhat competitive hockey without paying or paying too much. For example from Lite upwards it could be for only those who want to pay the "bigger" license fees for bigger prize pools, and Core and/or Neo could stay free or have very minor license fees? This could also create a need for new league(s) for both sets of categories.

The fees also create issues in the functionality of the tournaments. Have you seen leagues with payments (competitive leagues) where the teams can shift and change the schedule of the games as they want, multiple times? Which is why charging Core teams for example is very problematic since most just play for fun with a little competitive aspect brought in by the league and some have difficult work schedules. This goes for the players in other divisions too, of course but at least it would be their choice.

All i'm saying is this: The addition of fees kind of forcefully casts all of the playerbase into the same mold. Everybody wants the competitive side of the leagues, but for some the fees and licenses are too much and should be resolved somehow.

 

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Frans-Fin:

Yep and that is a very good organized tournament, Zürich esports you like to play caps gaming tournament😄😄😄 @IDangledYouOut @Keuschemisch

I prefer not to speak 🗿

We have players who support the idea that there’s some fees, players who pay whatever it cost and players who want to play only for free. The jump from free to +50€ was just too big at once and its a huge risk that ECL is going to shrink, a lot. Most or some of us play just for fun and ECL is "just" supplemental, not the goal.

I'm curious what sportsgamer has thought about backup players. Why anyone wants to join in a team for backup role and pay for that, no one. So other active players have to pay also the backup players fees, otherwise the roster stays short.

These comments about kenus Ferrari and how much sportsgamer is making money for all this is lame. You cannot calculate “fees minus prize pool money equals profit”, how about taxes, servers, website updates, stream staff and contents, game schedule / problem solving, marketing, staff, management etc..
But still, I don’t support the idea for these big fees especially if the prize pool money is what SP is heading to, because it will shrink our communitie and teams / player’s amount.

In my opinion, I support the idea for some kind of players licenses (max.20€) and prize pool money is voluntary. Pro and Elite fees and licenses are different story.

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Frans-Fin:

Yep and that is a very good organized tournament, Zürich esports you like to play caps gaming tournament😄😄😄 @IDangledYouOut @Keuschemisch

quit playing games with my heart

The day Sportsgamer takes a fee from all players. Is the day when everybody in the community can demand that Sportsgamer also starts acting like a professional organization/company.

Asking for 40€ á player is alot of money even tho most of us or all of us can afford it. 

Its absolutely madness that most of the money goes to the higher tier. When most of the money comes from lower Ts.

An example of not acting like a professional organization is to drop this kind of info a week before signup ends. 

Also there should be other benefits like staff should add played games or build a better api. If you pay for a product it should work better. 

Support/LA cases should be investigsted and solved in a few hours not in days/weeks. 

Core, Lite, Pro and Elite should all have broadcasts and all what comes around when a team and all the players in the team pay to play.

Just some examples.....

 

58 minuuttia sitten, A_K_I_I_T_T_O kirjoitti:

We have players who support the idea that there’s some fees, players who pay whatever it cost and players who want to play only for free. The jump from free to +50€ was just too big at once and its a huge risk that ECL is going to shrink, a lot. Most or some of us play just for fun and ECL is "just" supplemental, not the goal.

I'm curious what sportsgamer has thought about backup players. Why anyone wants to join in a team for backup role and pay for that, no one. So other active players have to pay also the backup players fees, otherwise the roster stays short.

These comments about kenus Ferrari and how much sportsgamer is making money for all this is lame. You cannot calculate “fees minus prize pool money equals profit”, how about taxes, servers, website updates, stream staff and contents, game schedule / problem solving, marketing, staff, management etc..
But still, I don’t support the idea for these big fees especially if the prize pool money is what SP is heading to, because it will shrink our communitie and teams / player’s amount.

In my opinion, I support the idea for some kind of players licenses (max.20€) and prize pool money is voluntary. Pro and Elite fees and licenses are different story.

This, all of this. 👏

4 tuntia sitten, iSvamp kirjoitti:

WATCH OUT EVERYONE! 

THE FACEPALM KNIGHTS @Frans-Finand @wade(wadepaananenenenene - wrong tag, can't delete it) is here! 

First of their Name, Queens of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Sportsgamer

 

Man. As a fellow old-timer, I'm glad to have you around to this day. In fact, I consider you a kind of scene legend. I mean, you were trolling these conversations literally before some of the players today were even born.

At the same time, I can't help but wonder. Over all these years, I don't remember seeing you make one comment where you didn't try to get a rise out of people. You've made a lot of comments and I'm sure some of your more constructive messages are just slipping my mind right now, but that's only because they're drowned out by the overwhelming barrage of confrontational posts.

It's just strange to me that you would bother keeping that up year in, year out. I am aware that unlike me, you actually have a life, which just makes it all the more baffling.

3 timmar sedan, Janikka säger:

Man. As a fellow old-timer, I'm glad to have you around to this day. In fact, I consider you a kind of scene legend. I mean, you were trolling these conversations literally before some of the players today were even born.

At the same time, I can't help but wonder. Over all these years, I don't remember seeing you make one comment where you didn't try to get a rise out of people. You've made a lot of comments and I'm sure some of your more constructive messages are just slipping my mind right now, but that's only because they're drowned out by the overwhelming barrage of confrontational posts.

It's just strange to me that you would bother keeping that up year in, year out. I am aware that unlike me, you actually have a life, which just makes it all the more baffling.

Cry me a river. How constructive is it to facepalm 42 messages without writing your own opinion? 

You can see my opinion in the beginning of this thread. My other opinion got deleted last night by some swedish admins at the swedish server where I showed the community some facts. And that cancel culture is not on me. 

 

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Okey, but here we are. 

And you can get my second opinion about this. (Cuz you asked about it)

There is NO players from Elite in this thread that is complaining about this decision. Cuz this benefits them all. They get the money. And they know it.

There is no players AT ALL from elite in this thread that is even showing some understanding for the teams in the lower divisions and what it means for them. 

Im not a player that is playing in Elite nowadays, but still, this will not affect me at all cuz I have an organization that is supporting our team with things like this. 

Pretty much the same situation as it is for the teams in Elite. 

 But still -I'm here showing my opinion about this crap. Cuz I do understand that this will affect a lot of teams from the lower divisions, teams that now considering moving themselves to the NEO-division cuz they don't have the money or the motivation to spons the higher divisions. 

Yes, I havs been here for a very long time as you mentioned. And with that I also know how this scene works. I also know that a cancel culture is a pretty bad thing. I also know that there is people sitting at discord pep-talking me to say the things im actually saying cuz they are to scrared to say them by themselves. 

I also know that some players from the higher divisions also only care about the money and not the community. Which we have seen a several of times lately (with teams not showing up for tournaments cuz there is no prizepools etc)

And thats actually the difference between them and me. 

What about you? Which side have you choosed? And whats your opinion about this situation? - can you write something constructive about it now when you tried to write something constructive about me? 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by iSvamp

49 minuuttia sitten, iSvamp kirjoitti:

Cry me a river. How constructive is it to facepalm 42 messages without writing your own opinion? 

You can see my opinion in the beginning of this thread. My other opinion good deleted last night by some swedish admins at the swedish server where I showed the community some facts. And that cancel culture is not on me. 

 

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Okey, but here we are. 

And you can get my second opinion about this. (Cuz you asked about it)

There is NO players from Elite in this thread that is complaining about this decision. Cuz this benefits them all. They get the money. And they know it.

There is no players AT ALL from elite in this thread that is even showing some understanding for the teams in the lower divisions and what it means for them. 

Im not a player that is playing in Elite nowadays, but still, this will not affect me at all cuz I have an organization that is supporting our team with things like this. 

Pretty much the same situation as it is for the teams in Elite. 

 But still -I'm here showing my opinion about this crap. Cuz I do understand that this will affect a lot of teams from the lower decisions, teams that now considering moving themselves to the NEO-division cuz they don't have the money or the motivation to spons the higher divisions. 

Yes, I havs been here for a very long time as you mentioned. And with that I also know how this scene works. I also know that a cancel culture is a pretty bad thing. I also know that there is people sitting at discord pep-talking me to say the things im actually saying cuz they are to scrared to say them by themselves. 

I also know that some players from the higher divisions also only care about the money and not the community. Which we have seen a several of times lately (with teams not showing up for tournaments cuz there is no prizepools etc)

And thats actually the difference between them and me. 

What about you? Which side have you choosed? And whats your opinion about this situation? - can you write something constructive about it now when you tried to write something constructive about me? 

 

Your reply is kind of all over the place so I'll disregard the parts that don't seem relevant. I read all of your messages in the thread before posting my first response to you. It's true that you gave your opinion. You always give your opinion, so that's definitely not in question. My gripe is with the way you go about it. Going on a decade and a half now I've seen you serve your opinions as a condiment to go with the main dish of trolling the conversation. That tends to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths. To be fair, maybe you really do care about the community. The way it comes across though is that you care much more about provoking people into arguing with you so that you can reply with more of the same.

As for my take on the actual topic, I'm kind of conflicted but leaning more toward thinking the implementation is unfair. I applaud SportsGamer for taking steps to build up the brand with increased visibility via prominent advertising, increased prize pools, celebrity guests on streams, etc. I see all that as part of the same overarching strategy where the Elite and FCL game broadcasts got more polished and professional, and I see these increased license fees as perhaps a necessary move that plays into all that. At the same time, the deal just got a whole lot worse for anyone below the Elite level, and it gets worse the lower you go in the divisions. I can well understand the confusion and frustration especially of a Core or Lite player who has to pay more for participation without feeling like they're getting more in return.

Yeah 20€-100€ isnt that big of a deal to pay. However, when you know what you get in return for that money its getting pretty funny. For lower divisions the return is basically just a platform where to schedule games and nothing else.

Its more of an principle not to pay this kind of fee’s.

You know many people comment that just dont go out for one night or just dont buy that case of beer or something but i can feed my two kids for a week with 45€ to give some perspective.

11 minuter sedan, Janikka säger:

Your reply is kind of all over the place so I'll disregard the parts that don't seem relevant. I read all of your messages in the thread before posting my first response to you. It's true that you gave your opinion. You always give your opinion, so that's definitely not in question. My gripe is with the way you go about it. Going on a decade and a half now I've seen you serve your opinions as a condiment to go with the main dish of trolling the conversation. That tends to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths. To be fair, maybe you really do care about the community. The way it comes across though is that you care much more about provoking people into arguing with you so that you can reply with more of the same.

I hope you can sleep at nights after all.

Also, good that we got your opinion. Even tho you couldnt write it without someone asking about it. 

Take care 

I think it’s good that the players in the lower divisions provide income for players in Elite who might not have jobs etc. to get consistent income otherwise.

50 minuuttia sitten, Janikka kirjoitti:

Your reply is kind of all over the place so I'll disregard the parts that don't seem relevant. I read all of your messages in the thread before posting my first response to you. It's true that you gave your opinion. You always give your opinion, so that's definitely not in question. My gripe is with the way you go about it. Going on a decade and a half now I've seen you serve your opinions as a condiment to go with the main dish of trolling the conversation. That tends to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths. To be fair, maybe you really do care about the community. The way it comes across though is that you care much more about provoking people into arguing with you so that you can reply with more of the same.

As for my take on the actual topic, I'm kind of conflicted but leaning more toward thinking the implementation is unfair. I applaud SportsGamer for taking steps to build up the brand with increased visibility via prominent advertising, increased prize pools, celebrity guests on streams, etc. I see all that as part of the same overarching strategy where the Elite and FCL game broadcasts got more polished and professional, and I see these increased license fees as perhaps a necessary move that plays into all that. At the same time, the deal just got a whole lot worse for anyone below the Elite level, and it gets worse the lower you go in the divisions. I can well understand the confusion and frustration especially of a Core or Lite player who has to pay more for participation without feeling like they're getting more in return.

Good writing The thing IS lite or core dont get anything at all, few hundred euro dosnt do anything. Biggest thing on lower level how is it going to work example on lite team has to play 200e but If you have More then 8 players IS license lower or actual participation fee few euro lower per player? And what If somebody leaves from team when tournament has started? IS new guy again paying license wich has payed allready from team? Participation i understand have to pay. If player who leaves and go lower or higher level then what? What If one player dosnt pay at all then othets have to pay extra and still have to get that one More player as rules says to play at all, example If i pay one extra do i have to Ask money from new player for myself or do i get money Back and new player pays to Gamer? Too much openings here wich have to resolve.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Ubula

vor 2 Stunden schrieb iSvamp:

Cry me a river. How constructive is it to facepalm 42 messages without writing your own opinion? 

You can see my opinion in the beginning of this thread. My other opinion got deleted last night by some swedish admins at the swedish server where I showed the community some facts. And that cancel culture is not on me. 

 

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Okey, but here we are. 

And you can get my second opinion about this. (Cuz you asked about it)

There is NO players from Elite in this thread that is complaining about this decision. Cuz this benefits them all. They get the money. And they know it.

There is no players AT ALL from elite in this thread that is even showing some understanding for the teams in the lower divisions and what it means for them. 

Im not a player that is playing in Elite nowadays, but still, this will not affect me at all cuz I have an organization that is supporting our team with things like this. 

Pretty much the same situation as it is for the teams in Elite. 

 But still -I'm here showing my opinion about this crap. Cuz I do understand that this will affect a lot of teams from the lower divisions, teams that now considering moving themselves to the NEO-division cuz they don't have the money or the motivation to spons the higher divisions. 

Yes, I havs been here for a very long time as you mentioned. And with that I also know how this scene works. I also know that a cancel culture is a pretty bad thing. I also know that there is people sitting at discord pep-talking me to say the things im actually saying cuz they are to scrared to say them by themselves. 

I also know that some players from the higher divisions also only care about the money and not the community. Which we have seen a several of times lately (with teams not showing up for tournaments cuz there is no prizepools etc)

And thats actually the difference between them and me. 

What about you? Which side have you choosed? And whats your opinion about this situation? - can you write something constructive about it now when you tried to write something constructive about me? 

 

To be fair Elite Teams do not really profit from it. Only the Top 3-4 Teams who are really capable of winning or at least reaching the finals profit from the higher prize money.

 

All other Elite Teams, including even those reaching the quarterfinals, go out with -500€ Team license per season + the player licenses  

I’m not lovin’ it. Don’t get me wrong. I appreciate the work what sportsgamer community has done for today. This is not one of them!

NOW FIX THE PRICE-QUALITY RATIO RN!!! Core is core. Lite will be lite, relate those prices to rewards. I won’t swallow without chewing this shit 💪

Thank you and sorry 🏄‍♂️

3 tuntia sitten, Jnmxxx kirjoitti:

Yeah 20€-100€ isnt that big of a deal to pay. However, when you know what you get in return for that money its getting pretty funny. For lower divisions the return is basically just a platform where to schedule games and nothing else.

Its more of an principle not to pay this kind of fee’s.

You know many people comment that just dont go out for one night or just dont buy that case of beer or something but i can feed my two kids for a week with 45€ to give some perspective.

Also the timing for these increased fees could have been better.  First of all everyone had to buy PS5's, then of course the game and now the increased team licenses plus the player licenses. That's a lot of money.

I really understand the frustration of the lower divisions especially compared to the price pool. This also affects us who play Pro. Now "only" the top 8 get something back.

For most I don't think it's about that players can't afford to pay the fees, but it's a matter of principles.

Maybe sportsgamer could consider to be more open to the comminity about where the money will be used for? We all do understand there are expenses, but the lack of information causes the amount of negativity atm..



"Se oli tonnin seteli"..

Tonni

Edited November 16, 2022 by imosi

Maybe Kenu can open little bit that situation about lower divisions ? Is it there coming something more to lite and core also, streams, better previews and other stuff? Why sportsgamer dont take more money from elite? Elite teams have lots of bigger prize pools and they have sponsors also. So maybe elite team and player licenses should to pay double or even more what is right now. Like someone said earlier in this conversation, in real life lower divisions not pay higher divisions salary. Its right if sportgamer start to take money from their expenses, but now payer is from wrong series.

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Lamsa

6 timmar sedan, Janikka säger:

Man. As a fellow old-timer, I'm glad to have you around to this day. In fact, I consider you a kind of scene legend. I mean, you were trolling these conversations literally before some of the players today were even born.

At the same time, I can't help but wonder. Over all these years, I don't remember seeing you make one comment where you didn't try to get a rise out of people. You've made a lot of comments and I'm sure some of your more constructive messages are just slipping my mind right now, but that's only because they're drowned out by the overwhelming barrage of confrontational posts.

It's just strange to me that you would bother keeping that up year in, year out. I am aware that unlike me, you actually have a life, which just makes it all the more baffling.

I can tell you that I respect svamp 100 procent. Yes i have been fucking mad at him also but he always says and write what he thinks thats the best type of people i think. Not talking shit behind back and stuff and he is not trying to kiss other peolpe back just for likes. He has my respect 100 procent and in this he speaks just the truth.

2 timmar sedan, Keuschemisch säger:

To be fair Elite Teams do not really profit from it. Only the Top 3-4 Teams who are really capable of winning or at least reaching the finals profit from the higher prize money.

 

All other Elite Teams, including even those reaching the quarterfinals, go out with -500€ Team license per season + the player licenses  

You can't compare the situation like that. 

Yes, the top 4 teams are on another level compared to the other teams in that division. 

But you and your team still competing about the same amount of money. 

And I can also make a guess that your org supporting you with all the fees to even be able to be in the same competition like the top 4. 

Can someone in the organization please explain how the fck are the prize pools in core&lite less than 10% from the total pot? Grow the prize pool to 50% and you still get 30k from the players and all is fine. This current ”demand” is just fcked up…. 

This is about lower divisions:

 

First comes product, after that you can charge what that product is worth. 

 

Currently the only product for Neo/Core/Lite is platform where schedule games and play some sort of competition - no more, no less. 

 

Should you charge for it - yes, why not? There will be demand. 

 

Should you charge 40eur per player (team and player license) - absolutely not. 

 

No surprise most of the community reacted this way as everyone is prepared to pay what they think it's worth for any product or service. 

 

The right route imho would be charging only fixed Team Participation Fee so then captain's can charge less or don't charge at all so called backup players.

 

Everything else about "community dream" regarding world finals etc is only a wet dream for Pro-Gamers, but not roughly 80% of us who play this game for fun. 

Player licences are appropriate as is. It is an equal and a good way to pay expenses for LA. If there was transparency on cost structures etc, even a bit higher player license fees would be tolerable. I am sure most of us agree that there are expenses that need to be covered.  

But for lower divisions especially, the team fees compared to prize pools on those divisions look really out of place. Its not a good look, recreational players paying for "division entry fees", that go for the most part on other expenses than their divisions prizes. 

 

Thats my two cents. 

If registering Lite teams was 15€ and registering each player was 5€, Pro: 20/5€ and elite 30/5€, I think most people would accept it and continue as usual, but these prices are way too steep.

 

Especially since most of the accumulated money only seems to end up @ the top elite teams anyway.

Hey Gamers,

It's been great to see the active discussion around the ECL, and that really goes to show that our community is passionate about this matter. We're thankful for all the feedback we've gotten through comments and private messages, and your feedback is truly appreciated.

We have been running the ECL since December 2015. I’ve personally been involved with the NHL community since I was 12 years old, creating (popular & free) mods for the PC version of the game 2000-2009 and later moving on to creating leagues and tournaments. In other words, I’ve been heavily involved with the NHL series for 25 years now. As my wife would tell me “all I want in life from you is to pay as much attention to me as you do your community”. That perhaps says something about my devotion to the game and what we do (and that I should schedule more date nights).

It’s understandable that players and teams have gotten used to a certain standard during the past few years and it is easy to take something for granted that you’ve “always” had access to. For years we’ve - together as a community - pushed through some of the naysayers regarding what can be achieved with the competitive scene in this game. “Nobody wants to play on a lower level” was said before the introduction of divisions in the ECL. “Nobody will ever make money playing this game” has been thrown around for as long as I can remember. Sure - not many can fully support themselves playing NHL, but our goal has always been to support that dream, as well as develop a friendly environment where players of all skill levels can join to hone their skills. Some will play just for fun and others will make it their goal to reach the highest trophies and rewards. We’ve come a long way to enable both professionals and amateurs to reach their goals. This remains our mission.

As we've stated before, monetizing SportsGamer operations has been a long time coming already. With the increased workload and growing ambitions, running an operation with the only source of income being outside investment is not sustainable. Furthermore, while we would very much like for SportsGamer to be a profitable operation, the truth is that we have been losing money for a long while now. For many years we have compensated what the ECL loses by working on other projects - while sometimes criticized for not only focusing on the ECL - to generate enough money to cover the losses, while not pocketing any of the cash ourselves. As the league and our ambitions grow (not to mention our skillsets and families), so does the risk involved with taking on these projects. How many are prepared to risk 50k on a free tournament? 

As for some of the calculations surrounding the ECL ’23 Winter season that have been going around, they fail to take into account a few key factors. Firstly, we are expecting a lower team amount for ECL '23 Winter, mainly due to migration to next-generation consoles. Secondly, none of the costs related to website upkeep and development, admin work, writing, broadcasting or hosting live events have been included in the calculations. This makes the bottom line look drastically different from what we are seeing at the end of the ECL year.

We want to be transparent with our plans to grow and develop the ECL both on the ultra-competitive side, and the hobbyist side. We are committed to using 100% of the license fees into the ECL, including but not limited to prize pools, operations, broadcasts, live productions and promoting the league.

Out of respect for the privacy of our creators, and because of several business reasons, I won’t be sharing the numbers for each category, but I have listed some of the main categories of costs of running the ECL. There are many other costs in running a business, but below I’ve focused purely on the direct costs of the ECL.

• Website and data hosting
• Equipment
• Software licenses
• Broadcasts
• Art
• Social media & YouTube
• Administrative work
• Prize Pool
• Trophies
• Live finals
• Web development
• Taxes
• Advertising
   

Based on your feedback, we have decided to take the following measures:

• Each team can name up to 3 backup players (outside of the primary 6) that can help the team out and play up to 10 games without having to own the player license.
  • The ECL ‘23 Player License can be purchased during the season if a backup wants to play more games than expected.
• ECL Neo will remain free to play, with no player license required to compete, however
  • To uphold the integrity of ECL Neo as the beginner level, we reserve the right to deny teams to participate in cases where they are clearly above the amateur level, as it could significantly impact the experience of what ECL Neo is intended for.
  • The ECL ‘23 Player License can be purchased by an ECL Neo player if they want to participate in ECL 1v1, benefit from the additional advantages that come with the license (more on this later), or simply as a form of supporting the league.
• An additional tier of prizing has been added to the ECL Core division to extend the number of prize winning teams from 8 to 16.
• Wishes to add better content for the ECL Lite and Core divisions will be addressed by improving the quality of articles and coverage. We will be following all licensed divisions closely in our channels and sharing coverage on our social media. If you would like to contribute to creating content for these divisions, please contact @jahajaha93.
• We have heard your concerns regarding the response time and efficiency regarding support and League Administrative (LA) cases. Therefore we are committing to the following for all paid levels of ECL:
  • 24 hour response time for general support items and added coverage during gamedays between 17-22 CET to help address quick questions in a more efficient way.
  • LA cases are handled within 2 business days. The suspension and verdict policy has been reworked to make quick decisions and in the case of suspensions, we will be handing out shorter suspensions quicker and longer suspensions are reserved to repeat offenders, which also can be handled quickly through this new policy.

Finally, a brief comment on any outstanding prize payments that were mentioned in the discussion: We’ve previously reached out to all recipients of price payments per email from [email protected],  and anyone who has taken the actions requested in this email has been paid. Please check your spam folder if you haven’t seen our email. If you can’t find the email and there is still something unresolved, please reach out to me by private message here on the forums, or Discord (Kenu#0001).

 

 

On behalf of SportsGamer,

Kenneth “Kenu” Lehtinen

"ECL Neo will remain free to play, with no player license required to compete, however

• To uphold the integrity of ECL Neo as the beginner level, we reserve the right to deny teams to participate in cases where they are clearly above the amateur level"

So you make neo free, rest the same but now you restrict who can play there. Keep 8 as prize winning in core and lower the team fee instead or better yet remove it. 

 

Everything about broadcasts and live events are basically elite and maybe occasionally pro related. Lite core and neo wont get any of it, oh wait sry you are gonna try to broadcast finals. 

Im so pumped to pay for the elite teams 🥰

Edited November 18, 2022 by hammarjet

18 minutes ago, hammarjet said:

"ECL Neo will remain free to play, with no player license required to compete, however

• To uphold the integrity of ECL Neo as the beginner level, we reserve the right to deny teams to participate in cases where they are clearly above the amateur level"

So you make neo free, rest the same but now you restrict who can play there. Keep 8 as prize winning in core and lower the team fee instead or better yet remove it. 

In my opinion Elite, Pro, or even most Lite teams don't belong in Neo crushing teams, skewing the standings, stats and most importantly, ruining the experience of players who we want to give a pleasant entry into the ECL ecosystem.

 

18 minutes ago, hammarjet said:

oh wait sry you are gonna try to broadcast finals. 

To clarify on the choice of the word try previously, it was indeed a vague choice of words. The try wording was used because previously we've made efforts to broadcast all finals and some of the teams haven't been able to adhere to the schedule that we were able to offer. What we can do better - if teams are dedicated to broadcasting - is to lock in and communicate the exact finals dates and requirements earlier.

9 minuter sedan, Kenu säger:

In my opinion Elite, Pro, or even most Lite teams don't belong in Neo crushing teams, skewing the standings, stats and most importantly, ruining the experience of players who we want to give a pleasant entry into the ECL ecosystem.

That was not the point. The point was you didnt make any changes based on the feedback. You made neo free and restricted the division. Just stated the facts. 

The facts are also that core and lite benefits little to none of these changes but still has pretty "high" fees for entry. So in that case you basically pays for someone elses entertainment.

8 minutes ago, hammarjet said:

That was not the point. The point was you didnt make any changes based on the feedback.

We made several changes based on the community feedback, but not all requests are viable to accommodate.

I appreciate your feedback. I understand what you value most might not completely align with our vision for the ECL.