iSvamp

Well, I have some facts. Cuz I have seen the whole conversation (fan vad tråkigt för de inblandade, hur kunde detta hända?) Så gubbar, sluta kasta skit på SSG, detta är ju lite konstigare än man först trodde. This is the conversation between Synergy and SSG (I will put it out in text instead of pictures) (latvian time) (From SSG 29/12/16) - Let us know if you manage to gather 6 in any of the upcoming days... we'll stay on standby (From Synergy 30/12/16) -So, whats your thoughts about monday, when are you available? (From SSG 31/12/16) - I think we should be good to play on monday (From Synergy 02/01/16) - Ok cool, we are ready from 20.30. (11:06) - CET (I guess thats 21.30 in Latvia?) (11:11) (From SSG) - Okey (13.46) (From Synergy) - So, whats your status? (17:11) - Are you there? (18:31) (From SSG) - yes yes - We got 6 (18:34) (From Synergy) - How many games (at most) 3? (19:13) (From SSG) - Yeah, something like that. - 5min and ready (19:32) ("Something like that", "something like that", not a full answer for Synergy) (From Synergy) - invite coming (19:38) (From SSG) - Ready (19:39) (From Synergy) - One more? (20:27) (don't think SSG understod this message, you will see later) (From SSG) - yes (20:27) - Can you keep playing? (20:51) (From Synergy) - We can't :/. Can u tomorrow? (20:54) (From SSG) - idk - I will be off to work (20:54) - (Now Synergy knows that SSG can't play the day after - still time to get 6 players online to continue the last games) - 2 games (at most) left, sure you can't finish tonight? (20:58) (From Synergy) - one already went to sleep (21:00) - (I guess he isn't sleeping after 9 minutes, not a big problem?) (Synergy still knows that SSG can't play the day after) (From SSG) - backup? (21:00) (From Synergy) - All others are still on vacation (21:02) - (Okey, I know that Craig "Oskuldsfull" went on a trip to norway, but I saw Berbaboon, pelles brother online many hours after this message in NHL 17 when I searched for a club to play some games in, and that 2 hours later) (From SSG) - It's 10Pm in sweden... Anyway, if you're not able to continue, that's fine, but we can't play tomorrow, cuz tonight is my last day off from New year's holidays, and our G will most likely get a call from his job tomorrow to come for night shift too (not 100% tho) (21:07) (Synergy still knows that SSG can't play the day after) (From Synergy) - Okey, maybe we can get permission to play on wednesday? (21:19) (From SSG) - We should be able to play on wednesday (21:24) (From Synergy) - Ok, I need to talk with Kenu and Co then (21:29) (From SSG) - ye, you do that then... See if they're happy to do so 3/1-17 (Synergy still knows that SSG can't play this day, nothing has changed) (From Synergy) - Got answer from Kenu now and he said that we should try to play since this already is an extra day to play the first round (12:47) (From SSG) - I told you yesterday that we can't. We don't have to play with a subobtimal roster just because you couldn't play at all last two weeks. (14:21) ** I guess SSG's goalie was the guy that couldn't play - suboptimal** - We could've finished the games yesterday but see Pelle I think it was who called it a night at 10 PM. And now we have to adapt to that? (14:25) (From Synergy) - yes you told me AFTER the 3 games yesterday that you couldn't play tomorrow. I asked you before how many games we should play, and suggested 3. and you answered "yeah something like that" and when I asked for one more after 2 you said "yes". - So I assumed then that we could continue today. (14:25) (From SSG) - you assumed.... Cuz I never said that we could play today I',m off to work in 25min, so won't be reachable till break after few hours - we should've finished at deadline. (14:27) ___________________________________ Synergy? Even tho that U knew that SSG couldn't play yesterday, and you already knew it the day before. Why the "Hell" did you went to DR, started your stream and said in the chat that it was games going? You maked them look like idiots. You even started a poll "should we wait more", you already knew that they couldn't play. (you waited for ghosts?!?!?!?!) *We asked in your chat about the situation, you answered "radio silence". Well, was it the truth? *You also said that they couldn't play b/c off "suboptimal team" - Well, I guess you could have continued with berbaboon instead of Pelle the day before then. *You did a move to get in contact with the "15min WO rule" - And after have seen this conversation is it disgusting. what a move by a classy team. Why are you always involved with the WO situations during playoffs? I'm not sure what the staff will do about it, but I hope you guys get's an extra day to play the remaining games, I want to see a winner from the ice, not the staff. And if someone deserves the WO, should it actually be SSG if we look at the rulebook. " In case there are any unplayed games after this deadline, the administration will investigate the issue and hand out walkover wins for the team that was more active in trying to get the games scheduled and played in time. " But I've seen that the Staff are on your side - and even that is confusing.

just trying to provoke. what else

And it will make it "easier" for you in the next round. Låter sunt.

So, Syn or SSG - vilken klack väljer herrn i kväll?

So, what do you want? NOR or Fat Cats?

Tror det är flera år sedan någonting hände där. Den som dock var mest frekvent i kontakt med Webbhallen var Pulverapa. Han som fick webbhallen att skicka 6 svenskar över sjön för att spela VS mot finnarna i Helsingfors, samma år som de ställde in EASHL-SM. Även han som för några år sedan skickade We Are legends till Ryssland och UFA för att spela en uppvisningsmatch där. Och sist det spelades SM på PS3, så var det eeskay och Weztblom som arrangerade turneringen, det i NHL12. På den tiden var även SM tuffare än EHL, då toppen i EHL nästan enbart bestod av svenska lag, men på den tiden var det runt 20-25 svenska lag med i spelet. Sen dog allt, finnarna tog över, eller pesten.

haha säg det, har bevakat det är sen i September. Dött kött

When?

Well played Seppo!

No worries! People are still predicting that Alliance HT will win a game in this playoff even now when they're out. Good job Reto and Monkeyhead!

Northern Stars - Free From Rodents 4-0Written In The Stars - Nordic Nosebleed 4-1X Factor - Kattiautomatti 4-0Finnish Roosters - Alliance HT 4-0 Nordic Blizzard - murohoki 4-3Dynasty - Knight Aces HC 4-3Refuse To Lose - TIKI TALK 2-4Fat Cats - Inter Iceland 3-4White Trash - Northern Ascendancy 1-4Warriors of Kongo - Nordic Nightmare 0-4HC Checkmate - MUKIMIEHET 0-4Sjukstugan - Nordic Lightning 4-1Rynnäkköviikset - SIKA 2-4Silver Sword Griffins - Synergy Hockey 3-4 Falun Coal Miners - Aapon Taikasauva 0-4No Guts No Glory - Laser HT 0-4

klart de är, annars hade folk inte diskuterat.

Till något annat. HÄR kommer det dock någon gång under säsongen arrangeras en turnering för svenska lag, tyvärr MED SHL-lag. Men, känner man för att spela någon form utav VS-turnering så är detta iaf något.

Och tror du på fullaste allvar att någon skulle lyckas bogsera infödingen från ön till ett public-event? Är väl lika troligt som att en annan del av norrland skulle spela den turneringen nykter. Vi skulle aldrig få ihop ett lag, och skulle därav inte FÅ vara med. NOS, bäst av 7 någon kväll?

"But honestly, unknown isnt the big mystery you want it to be. Actually I think a lot of ppl are just tired hearing about it. " Haha butthurt! 3 years, and you're still angry coz I got u kicked from Laser. Sorry for that. Im a bad person. But as long as you and IKEAbabar get's triggered, im fine. Craig and Norpe u say? Good players, But... I liked your brother too. He is good, and he was funny. He had a lot of interesting things to say, about "everything".. As Foppa said - If I say "yes" to all the players from your quarterfinalclub that has asked to join us during the last 2 years, would you probably be the only "good" player left in that club, and that would not be a club for a tournament in div1.. Would u hate me even more if I do that? If so, let's go. Pelle3000 and IKEAbabar - Le Carousell, spring 2017. Good luck mates. Cheers? Kram ______ And nope, Foppa and connor isn't playing in Unknown. Sadly. But 10 others will. But "Who?".. _______ And sorry for the offtopic blaha. And to Elefanten, fyi. Anrh17 Kev Terasniska Fillson Svamp Ranta Mr.x Mr.x Mr.x So far.

"But honestly, unknown isnt the big mystery you want it to be. Actually I think a lot of ppl are just tired hearing about it. " Haha butthurt! 3 years, and you're still angry coz I got u kicked from Laser. Sorry for that. Im a bad person. But as long as you and IKEAbabar get's triggered, im fine. Craig and Norpe u say? Good players, But... I liked your brother too. He is good, and he was funny. He had a lot of interesting things to say, about "everything".. As Foppa said - If I say "yes" to all the players from your quarterfinalclub that has asked to join us during the last 2 years, would you probably be the only "good" player left in that club, and that would not be a club for a tournament in div1.. Would u hate me even more if I do that? If so, let's go. Pelle3000 and IKEAbabar - Le Carousell, spring 2017. Good luck mates. Cheers? Kram ______ And nope, Foppa and connor isn't playing in Unknown. Sadly. But 10 others will. But "Who?".. _______ And sorry for the offtopic blaha.

No you don't. And not this time. but still are you butthurt? And that's your problem, not mine. It was just a question, and I want a discussion. You started the other shit. but okey, yes - this is fun, but this wasn't what I aimed for. I'm happy if u are.

ofc, we need to respect them. But we also needs to talk about this before they takes a decision about the future. Cuz this is the right thread? "ECL wishlist". Foppa came with very strong arguments, and it would be fun to see what the community thinks about it. I have seen the same discussion in the chatterbox here and there.

* Sika was an example - don't be stupid. * the problem isn't just about unknown. it's bigger than that. * The thing about furyan - not my case. (but it got copypasted, sorry about that - blame me)

Okey, I will go public with this. This is some messages between Unknown and the NHLgamer-staff about future divisions and some questions about our returning to the ECL-Scene after 1 short break b/c job and other stuffs. We basically asked if we in "Unknown" was a team that in a future tournament with divisions needed to show the community "what we can and not can on the ice" - if we were forced to play in the lower division or not. Some history for you that don't remember us. 3 tournaments as "Unknown", 1 EC gold and 1 EHL gold on xbox360 in NHL 13 and NHL 14. 1 EHL gold on PS3 in NHL 15 + 1 gold as members or Northern Ascendancy in NHL 14@xbox360 (5 of 6 players from unknown in that final against NOS). With that said - 4 tournaments, 4 straight titles back in the days. A solid team I would say. Last year - did not play b/c I had some army-thingys. This tournament - not enough players until it was too late to reg for this tournament. Now - back, and waiting for the next tournament. https://www.easports.com/se/nhl/clubs/ps4/Unknown You remember my question? this was the answer we got, and the following discussion. (I think this is an important thing for the whole community to see and discuss it) ------------------------------------------------------ (NHL GAMER STAFF answers) Hey man, extremely sorry for forgetting to give you a reply on this. The reason why you didn't get an immediate response (while we should've given you at least something), is that we didn't have an absolute answer to your question. Long-ish answer: The thing is, on one hand we want to encourage teams sticking together and building these franchises over a longer period of time. The constant shredding of teams and creating new super teams kinda fights against that ideology, so from that perspective, we want to say "No, you will have to start from the bottom". Then, on the other hand, you make a fair point about a team like Unknown, that has amazing merits and clearly doesn't belong in the 3rd division. From that perspective, we want to say "Hey, let's figure something out". We're still a bit on the fence about the details on how exactly to not be total A-holes towards teams like Unknown making a comeback, while still strongly supporting the ideology of continuity and team building. The details about how we intend to tackle these things will be released this week and we will of course be open for constructive criticism and ideas. Short answer: We'll try to pencil you guys in somehow, cause we know you deserve to be fighting with the big boys. We just need to make it work as a concept. Sorry again for accidentally ignoring you! Kind regards, (NHL Gamer Staff) - edited name. -------------------------------------------------- (Unknown Answers) Whatsup, i couldn't remember if you spoke Swedish or not so ill just take it in English instead. (Some other raging) - censored. " The thing is, on one hand we want to encourage teams sticking together and building these franchises over a longer period of time. The constant shredding of teams and creating new super teams kinda fights against that ideology, so from that perspective, we want to say "No, you will have to start from the bottom". " A bit later you also mention that returning or new teams MAY end up getting placed together with teams that lose most of their games with 15-0 in division 3, In other words, you're planning on punishing teams, not because they do anything wrong, but because they dont subscribe to your and the rest of the NHLgamers admins ideas on how teams are "supposed" to be . The whole thing you guys have going about pushing things that i can only assume that you want because it is more "professional" (like the whole only allowing real names debacle) is quite worrying since it seems like there is no actual intention of actually making the site or the community better, its just implemented to fulfill someones dream about how the scene "should" look. Why should players be forced to play with the same people tournament after tournament with no option of playing with a new team? The main problem is that the idea is straight up flawed though. What happens when a team split like Sika and En Hund? With what you are currently talking about the division 1 spot will be given to the team who keeps the name, which may as well just be the 2 worst players on the team and the 6 other guys who are more than good enough to play in division 1 get stuck in the 3rd one because the name of the club isn't the same as it was 1 week ago. What happens when 2 teams across divisions merge? What happens when the inevitable of people trying to take over teams by kicking long term members because they can't create a new team? As it is you are forcing people to stick to their team and not create or merge new teams. At the very least this will make it so much harder for smaller teams and newer players to actually compete with the best because the teams will be shut and will only rotate a few players at the time. At worst teams and players will stop playing all together because they are not allowed to play with the players they want to play with since i don't think there will be a single club who currently are division 1 material willing to start of in division 3. I do appreciate what you've done for the community with NHLgamer, i really do, but i think this is incredible stupid. This has the chance of killing of quite a few teams if handled poorly. And for what? Because someone thought it would look neater on paper if we had franchises? Because someone thinks there is a correct and a incorrect way of how teams are formed and created? If you want to have some idealistic dream on how the scene is supposed to look, start with making it easier for new talented players to get into better teams, not completely isolate the top which is what it looks like you're trying to do currently. -------------------------------------------------------------------- (NHL Gamer Staff Answers) Hey man and thanks for your constructive and well written message. I am currently at work and don't have the time to write a proper answer, but I'll just try to write a couple quick notes below. I have also added the rest of our staff to take a look at your feedback. The main thing I was trying to explain to Svamp was the two extremes we're dealing with and that we're trying to offer a solution that takes into account these things. I didn't go deep into detail because a) I don't personally have all the details, b) I didn't have the time and c) the details are to be covered by the news story (which we will of course also take feedback on) . This is why I chose the personal message approach, as a quickly-ish written message doesn't always do well when analysed in closer detail and I was hoping to get the feedback and questions from Svamp - or in this case you - which is great. I did not write it publically, because I wasn't writing absolute facts and I didn't want my ponderings up for public review at this stage, as I know the work @gzell60 and @The_Alpha_Furyan have put into this project will be able to discuss the matter in much greater detail. All the points you bring up are indeed valid and things we have to take into account. Again, thanks for your post, and we're happy to discuss this matter further, but I gotta get back to work. PS: I do speak Swedish, but for the purpose of being able to efficiently discuss these topics without a great amount of translation work, I appreciate the English messages. + I will let (Other staff member) respond if he wants to draft a longer response to what you wrote here, but I would like to take the chance to ask if you read the rest of Kenus message to iSvamp where you got the quoted part from? It goes like this: "Then, on the other hand, you make a fair point about a team like Unknown, that has amazing merits and clearly doesn't belong in the 3rd division. From that perspective, we want to say "Hey, let's figure something out". We're still a bit on the fence about the details on how exactly to not be total A-holes towards teams like Unknown making a comeback, while still strongly supporting the ideology of continuity and team building. The details about how we intend to tackle these things will be released this week and we will of course be open for constructive criticism and ideas. Short answer: We'll try to pencil you guys in somehow, cause we know you deserve to be fighting with the big boys. We just need to make it work as a concept." We are listening to all ideas and input, before and after we release the actual official information post --------------------------------------------------- (Unknown answers) I did (Censored name), you clearly didn't read mine though. Ill give you a pass however, i've heard that you have had trouble with your reading comprehension before. My problem isn't whether a specific team that i'm not even on will get fucked over by this, it's, like its pretty clearly says in my message, that this accomplishes nothing while potentially killing teams off. Yeah, my message is mostly about the utterly insane fucking idea that you want to "encourage" teams to stick together. Sure, you may end up encouraging teams that stick together by sending a congratulation message every time they enter consecutive tournaments or some other completely meaningless thing and this turns out to be a non-problem. The way (other Staff member) is phrasing it however makes it sounds like you are going to make it much harder for teams that are reforming to ever actually get a chance at getting in to division 1, which is a huge problem for no other reason that again, you think there is only one correct way of forming teams for god knows what reason. The other part of that whole thing that i didn't even get into is the division systems since it boggles my mind that you are still trying to implement it even after Billy has explained time and time again why it is a straight up flawed system for a gaming league. I didn't mention it because really, if you haven't realized it by now, you never will. At least your reasoning for implementing all of these things (real names, 3 divisions, "encouraging" longevity among teams) are because you want to do whats best for the community and not at all to fulfill some weird fantasy about this being a real esport with franchises and shit that nobody but you believe in. But hey, maybe that's what i should expect from the guy that is currently writing those lovely news stories and the guy that think that a player dropping 3 minutes in to the game means that the rest of the game should be played with a bot in a 6v6 league. ________________________________________________ So this is the "wish líst thread" - and this should be important for many of you out there. Let's discuss it! What is your opinion and thoughts about it? Bring it on. / Svamp, Unknown

I want Svampimosifoppitoffla. And a bigger Staff who has time to answer messages.

Haha fuck, didn't saw it. Good job then.

8. Match report After a game is completed, both teams must submit a match report on NHLGamer.com. All managers (C's and A's) have access to do this. The reporting person of a team is agreed internally per game. All match reports must be submitted within 24 hours after the game is completed, but as a general rule teams are expected to submit the stats immediately. Continued failure to report stats on time and/or accurately will result in disciplinary action. In case of repeated user error offenses, a warning will be issued. Once a warning has been given, further offenses may lead to a suspension or a deduction in team points. The rule also applies to the 24 hour period within which the matches should be reported. >>All stats reported must correspond with the figures in game and proof needs to be saved for the whole tournament in case any investigation is required.<< What about Pulvers - I don't give a shit about picking the correct stars after our games, cuz I think I don't need to, and I don't care about it.

It takes u 20 seconds to pick the right player, but u don't have that time? http://nhlgamer.com/match.php?matchID=1654 Again, U took a player that we didn't used. Well thenl.. I guess we don't have time to spend 1 hour gaming against teams that can't play defense. And that was arrogant. Sometimes I may be totally arrogant, sometimes I may totally be the most humble guy you've ever met, sometimes I may be in between. Sluta vara så jävla lat Pulver.

"it becomes even more frustrating when nobody in my team get's a star" - no worries, it's the same for me and it's "okey". Hug