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But now you’re adding the pay-to-win angle to a situation where SG just banned things because you have to buy certain items now to use them, even though you had more than 8 weeks to unlock them for free. Meanwhile, you’re ignoring items that still can’t be unlocked anymore, but players could unlock them during Season 1. Why weren’t those banned when Season 2 started? It would’ve been pretty nice to not deal with Elite Stick ‘Em Up, which can make anyone look like Lidström in the defensive zone. The defensive X-factors still break the game more than the offensive ones do. Even I can admit that as a defenseman, even though I haven’t used Stick ‘Em Up at all this season and only recently tried Quick Pick. (I'm stupid) Everything is just weird. The arguments don’t hold for why this is being done. Anyway, I’m going outside to touch some grass now. Have a good evening, Antti.

The reactions are probably because nobody asked for this, but it’s happening anyway. If they had listened to the community, they would have banned everything before the season started. People have adapted their playstyles based on perks. There are even teams that actively “hunt” X-factors to trigger during their attacks. I also think it’s reasonable that some things get removed. I recently played another tournament without them and it was actually pretty fun. But there is no valid argument that it’s “pay-to-win”, because everyone could get these things for free. And there are still items in the game right now that were on the Season Pass in Season 1 as well. And I remember, for example, Furyan saying “make the choices before the season starts”, and those choices were made. But now they are changing things right before playoffs start, and it affects teams. It’s honestly pretty clumsy.

Why are you flipping the argument the wrong way? Why should everyone who actually put time and effort into the game and their season be punished just because you did not? I have not seen anyone complain that another player has Elite Quick Pick just because they do not have it themselves. If you really wanted it, you had the same chance to unlock it as everyone else. If players did not care about getting it during the whole regular season, why should it suddenly become unfair now only because the “lazy” player now wants to be “smart”? If you want it now, you can buy it. If you wanted it before, you could get it for free.

Everyone had over two months to unlock these X-factors in the game. So let us not pretend that you had to buy all the X-factors. But as someone else wrote: Just ban everything that is Elite if something really has to be banned a few hours before some teams start their playoffs. Everyone had over two months to unlock these X-factors in the game. So let us not pretend that you had to buy all the X-factors. But as someone else wrote: Just ban everything that is Elite if something really has to be banned a few hours before some teams start their playoffs. Forgot to Quote Antti

This time at least they did not write that they "listened to the community" and turn it into a lie. Now they just did what they wanted without asking anyone. You have to give them that. This was the most honest post in years!

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It extended your forward career by at least two years, So it definitely does something to the animations.

You are deflecting again. It is not me who does not understand. We literally had over 100 messages from the community showing they want it like it was in FCL and SCL last year. That is not my personal opinion, that is the majority speaking. If you refuse to understand that, then that is your weakness ------- (your picture) Point by point: Close Quarters goals do not “just happen anyway”. CQ modifies release priority and aim assist inside close radius. Without CQ many of these shots do not trigger the high speed priority release animation. Frame comparison testing shows completely different outcome from the same shot simply because CQ unlocks a different animation branch. “One timers are easy to defend if you play actively” is also incorrect. Certain one timer styles combined with traits bypass normal defensive stick collision validation inside ICE Q. This is the exact reason Golden One Tee was banned in multiple competitive formats. It is not just about positioning. It is animation override. “Goalies make weird saves anyway so traits do not matter” is wrong. Traits modify which animation state the goalie gets access to. Animation state is outcome determinism in NHL. Without that trait the goalie is not given the same animation choices. That is not subjective. “Auto poke is broken no matter what” is only partially true. Auto poke is only unbalanced because certain traits buff recovery acceleration and turn sync after poke. Base poke without those trait modifiers is significantly more fair. Removing trait buff gives real risk reward again. “Truculence simply makes physical play more viable” is incorrect. Truculence automates force and knockdown threshold. You do not need correct angle timing or weight advantage because the trait applies force anyway. This removes skill expression. “Counter attacks score anyway” ignores the problem. Abilities artificially push low probability chances into mid or high probability outcomes by triggering faster and higher priority animation states. That does not strengthen structured defense. It increases chaos.

You are serving an open net here. I really cannot stay quiet when you come with a weird statement like this again. What exactly made the gameplay worse? Skill issue? I seem to remember that your team claimed it was a skill issue to not be able to defend against Golden Onetee before it got banned. Because when you actually look at the numbers, it was only your team (Parasite) that scored fewer goals per game after you lost Nikkedangles and when Golden Onetee was gone. If Nikkedangles is the best player in the world or if you were simply too dependent on him and Golden Onetee, I will leave that unsaid. But nothing you are arguing here is supported by the statistics, other than the fact that you lost the throne in both FCL and ECL to teams that were simply better. So before we start talking about that a world without abilities ruined the gameplay, are you sure it was not just your team who got worse?

Parasite are still waiting for their money. One of our players asked them a couple of hours ago. If they have received it now, then forget what I just wrote. International payments can take up to three days. So hopefully everything has been paid out. But in that case, SG should be able to come in here and show the transactions so people do not have to feel worried. But come on, we have all missed paying a bill at some point, right? Of course people are following up on this, Sportsgamer’s legitimacy is what is on the line here. A lot of players have been defending SG because they presented a payment plan, and we critics were supposed to back off because of that. Now it is already at least one day late, and soon it is the weekend with banks closing in about two and a half hours. Let us just hope SG looked at the wrong day in the calendar. Or that it is simply a delay caused by international transactions taking time. Parasite, however, are from Finland, so it should just be one button press away, unless the money has to bounce around in some obscure country first. I really hope you all get your money today. You deserve it and you are entitled to it.

If you are going to listen to the community feedback, then why not ban everything? Most people have said for a whole year that everything should be banned. And if you are not going all the way, why not remove Stick Em Up? Right now every Elite player is running Stick Em Up Elite. When there is no speed boost to get past defenders, and you face the poke aimbot on every player, the game is turning into trench warfare where everyone only plays defense and waves their stick. So why not go all the way and remove everything? Like someone wrote earlier in the thread. X Factors are simply boosts for star players in HUT. And now there is not much left to use at all, so why not just remove everything?

No, I don’t care where players choose to play. But I’m not naive enough to ignore the problems that clearly exist. The main question is still unanswered: where did the money go? My “agenda” is simply that players have been lied to, which they obviously have. But by all means, keep insinuating what my purpose is. What’s yours then? Protecting your friends?

Watch out for the Flyerkungens army. He’s standing in the burning house and thinks it feels good. 🤑 I’ve received my prize money before too, that’s not the point. If you actually read their statement, you’d see they are months behind on multiple payouts and are now setting up installments just to pay what’s already owed. It doesn’t take a genius to see that something is seriously wrong when a company has to create a four-part payment plan for prize money that should’ve been paid long ago. So the real question is -what exactly are you yapping about?

This is not rebuilding trust. It is delaying responsibility. You are now asking the community to accept a payment plan for money that should have been paid out months ago. That is not transparency, that is a desperate attempt to stay alive. No legitimate organization needs three months and four installments to pay what players already earned. Telling players that they can use their prize money to buy an ECL 26 license is not a solution. It is proof that you are using new seasons to fund old debts. That is not a community project. That is a broken financial cycle that only works as long as people keep paying in. You also lowered the prize share from 50 percent to 35 percent of the license income. That is not honesty, it is confirmation that the situation is worse than you admit. And calculating it after VAT and transaction fees makes the real number even smaller. Players get less and less every year while the costs keep going up. You keep talking about compliance with Finnish law, but nobody ever said this was illegal. The problem is not legality. The problem is trust. You promised guaranteed prize pools, and the money is missing. That is what the community wants to know. Where did all those thousands of euros disappear? That is what people are asking for — a straight answer. Have you also made a payment plan with iRSPe that his company has accepted? Or is that something you simply plan to ignore too? You do not rebuild trust with long messages or future promises. You rebuild it by paying what you owe and by showing where the money went. Until that happens, no serious team, player or sponsor should continue supporting SportsGamer. For years this community gave you their time, effort and trust. You spent all of it. Now it is time to stop talking and start proving.

It’s all good bro. Patzlaf has already confirmed that Sportsgamer is going to pay. 😂 Listen to the Elite players. If they refuse to believe there are any problems, then there are no problems. Just fall in line.

Correct. If other mods decide to join the discussion, they should expect a response, especially if they do it with a bit of sarcasm, irony, or attitude. Otherwise you’re absolutely right. This is where we’re at, and meanwhile another site with a new tournament format is already being built. That’s the bottom line. The money is gone, but where did it go?

It might actually be a good idea to use a program to get your grammar right. But if you want to use that as some sort of insult, that’s up to you. Maybe it’s even something you should consider yourself, to help correct the same kind of errors that happen when you play games. The hands, just like mine, aren’t quite what they used to be. If you want to go down that road and make this personal with small jabs, then fine. I can do the same and be completely transparent with you. You know what, maybe you should start using ChatGPT to think for you, because whatever that reply was supposed to be, it came out incredibly awkward. But credit where it’s due. It’s actually impressive to see you finally speak up. You’ve built quite the reputation for avoiding conflict and hiding behind your friends, so it’s refreshing to see you step out and actually respond instead of disappearing like usual. Now to the point. Nobody here ever expected you or the other volunteer admins to personally fix the finances or issue payments. The frustration isn’t aimed at the people who helped moderate tournaments or update brackets. It’s aimed at the person hiding behind the official SportsGamer account yesterday, who posted that confusing statement that somehow managed to make everything even less clear. You say you’re not part of the ownership, and that’s fair. But that’s exactly why your reply misses the point. You stepped into a discussion about accountability from the organization itself, not from unpaid helpers. When you admit you have zero insight while still trying to defend the situation, it comes across as defensive and misplaced. What people want isn’t another “I don’t know.” They want transparency from the people who took the money. The community has already done the math, and none of it adds up. There are debts, missing funds, and companies linked to the same structure that raise serious questions. Every vague or sarcastic answer just makes it worse. Nobody is asking you to solve this. But maybe stop treating legitimate criticism like it’s drama. Because while you might not have earned anything in ten years, a lot of players here have earned something worse, complete distrust.

Respectfully? Let’s not hide behind that word. You don’t need to reply “yass queen slay,” but you could start by acknowledging that players have been waiting years for prize money that was promised and advertised. That’s not drama or opinion, that’s a fact. When you say you don’t know the financial state of SportsGamer, that’s actually part of the problem. You’re an admin for a platform that has repeatedly taken money from its players through license fees, team fees, and sponsor-backed tournaments, yet you admit you don’t know where the money goes. That’s exactly why people are speaking up. This isn’t about guilt, it’s about accountability. The trust that once existed between the community and the platform has been completely broken, and every dismissive or sarcastic reply only widens that gap. You can laugh all you want, but the players, the ones who literally keep your platform alive, aren’t laughing. We’re the reason this community exists in the first place. So no, I don’t want a “yass queen.” I want transparency, responsibility, and for the people who built this scene to stop being treated like they’re disposable.

Funny how the “esports dream” turned into a debt collection story. Let’s be honest. We’ve all been paying for seasons with a massive risk of never seeing that money again. The only difference now is that more people in the community finally realize it. Not a single cent should go to this website until they have paid their debts to the players. If that means the platform collapses, so be it. At least then it would be transparent. You can’t revive something that’s already dead. And yes, we know the admins are reading. The silence after their last statement says it all. More questions, zero answers. Silence doesn’t look professional. It looks guilty. #PayThePlayers

#PayWhatYouOwe

I don’t speak a word of Finnish, but it looks like you can take out a loan if you click that link. Maybe that’s exactly what the company running this site should do, so the players still waiting for their money can finally get paid.

Adorable reply. The popcorn line was cute, it really drives home the point that you’re here for entertainment, not understanding. You keep painting this picture where the only two options are Kenu living in a mansion or everyone needs to shut up and be grateful. Reality sits somewhere in between. No one is accusing anyone of hiding money under a mattress in Espoo. The issue is that players paid for something, didn’t receive what was promised, and are being met with condescending lectures instead of accountability. And since you brought up Einstein, he didn’t leave the building. He probably just got tired of explaining basic logic to people who mistake loyalty for intelligence.

Appreciate the civil tone, finally a reply that doesn’t sound like it was typed mid meltdown. But let’s be honest. If a company continuously takes money from players, promises prize pools, and then fails to deliver year after year, that’s not bad business. That’s business gone bad. You can wrap it in fancy terms like cashflow issues or unlucky timing, but at the end of the day, people paid for a product and didn’t get what they were promised. If a company can’t handle that responsibility, it shouldn’t be selling licenses or hosting tournaments. And please, spare the government tax increase sob story. We’re not talking about a bakery that couldn’t afford flour, we’re talking about an organization that has pocketed tens of thousands of euros from a paying player base, then gone silent when it’s time to pay out. So yes, you might have a BBA, and that’s great. But you don’t need a degree in international business to recognize when the books don’t balance. You just need a bit of common sense and a moral compass that points somewhere other than excuse management.

Ah, finally, the Einsteins have arrived. Always fascinating how the self-proclaimed business experts show up the moment someone mentions accountability. Let’s make this simple. The issue isn’t about understanding business models, it’s about a company that doesn’t pay out prize money that players have rightfully earned. That’s not a cashflow issue, that’s a breach of trust. If you buy a lottery ticket and win, you expect your winnings. You don’t expect to wait twelve months and be told to be patient because the organizer spent your money somewhere else. What you’re describing isn’t business, it’s mismanagement dressed up as martyrdom. “Thousands of free hours,” “small business struggles,” “support the community”… it’s the same emotional violin every time. Meanwhile, players who paid to participate are left with nothing but excuses. So please, spare us the hero speech. This isn’t a charity, it’s a paid competition. And when the house stops paying out, it stops being a game —> it becomes a scam