MartindalexC

You're right in it being a long way, but the 'way' in this case may as well be the circumference of the earth, truly, it is that far fetched. No, the first step is the game actually being competitively geared. Just because you can setup up 'comp' leagues, doesn't mean it's somehow on it's way to being an esport. Why are people so hung up on this? Seriously, look at other esports and tell me with a straight face that nhl is in any way similar. When EA actually adds things that raise the skill ceiling, stuff like actually being able to consistently control your dude and not having the game decide to dictate where you can skate to. On top of that they should atleast attempt to punish rng based plays, then and only then can you begin to talk about esports. At the moment anyone that talks about this trash game becoming an esport just seems as though they're deluding themselves into thinking this game is something that it's not. Edit: 'Serious esport' would put it on par with CS, LoL and Dota since they're the main ones being discussed in the general public, right? You're telling me that nhl has a chance to compete on a stage that large? You cannot be serious.

You make it sound as though the NOR players were just along for the ride, but what do I know? Yes, you are correct in there being amateur leagues irl, but irl however there is a gargantuan skill gap. If you set a team of nhlers against an amateur team they'd win 99/100 (barring some insanely crazy shit, think Gudlevskis vs Canada a few years ago). Can you say the same about nhl game teams? I'd say no. If you set a team that is placed in division 3 against one on division 1, sure the division 1 team would win more often than not, they certainly wouldn't go 99/100. I get you want an esport out of this game but it just simply isn't balanced for it. There's too many rng elements, too many scenarios where you can't control the outcome (eg: your guy decided to just miss shit randomly). You can't just set up arbitrary divisions, make a pay wall and call it a job. The game has to be ready for it, are you really gonna say with a straight face that this nhl is esport ready? Current esports (I'm gonna list the main ones): CSGO, LoL, DOTA and Overwatch I suppose although it suffers from blizzard trying to force it. A recurrent theme within all of them is that a.) the player base is insane b.) the skill gap between an actual pro and someone is huge c.) each and every game has limited rng elements (in csgo there are rng aspects but they're not large enough to confound together and allow one team to win because of them). Nhl doesn't have a.), I'll concede that player base doesn't necessarily mean it couldn't be an 'esport' but it's a correlating factor. B.), I stand by this, the skill gap in nhl really isn't that large , atleast if we're talking in comparison to actual esports. C.) This game has more rng than hearthstone...

So we're not allowed to publicly question decisions? I'm curious as to what you think respect actually means. It doesn't mean blind obligation, it doesn't mean copious amounts of compliments need to be spewed out. It simple means that someone should be viewed as a person, not as an infallible figure head. Just because someone holds a 'position' higher than one's self, that doesn't mean they're inherently better equipped to deal with situations than someone further down the totem pole if it were. As such, any questioning should be welcomed. Of course at that point we're talking constructive questioning. The fact you are calling for a fucking better way to voice displeasure than a well thought out post makes me question what the fuck you're on about. What would be a better way? Internal questioning? Well in that case we'd end up at the same position, a public post detailing the same information, just now worded differently. The goal would remain the same, to spread this information to as many people as possible and to gauge a reaction. " What is your opinion and thoughts about it? " - Svamp " Don't forget to vote on the poll! " - Kenu " We are suggesting 3 game-days per week, unless the community is strongly against it. " - Kenu " This is up for discussion, it is only our suggestion. " - Kenu " The thing is though, that our opinions are not the absolute truth, so we want to hear what the community wants and how they respond to these ideas. " - Kenu Note: This isn't meant as a slight against Kenu in anyway so don't even try and take it that way, it's just an example that while Svamp may be a little pissed, at the end of the day what is exactly 'wrong' about how he handled it? I respect Kenu, he's trying to accomplish something (that I assume in his head is grand) and as such I would assume everyone here could agree that that warrants respect. Blind praise however? Hell no. If anyone here thinks that respect means you can't even question someone critically then you need to read a fucking dictionary. Personally I don't like the way Kenu goes about things but then again, that doesn't fucking matter, because at the end of the day on a person to person basis I respect him. We may have vastly differing opinions on certain things but I've always tried to be cordial, explain my thoughts as clearly as possible, as well as be as respectful as possible, that doesn't mean however I shouldn't be able to write pieces that effectively completely negative to his decisions. We're here to build a site yes? So stop blowing smoke up everyone's ass and actually work through issues instead of just playing hot potato. A competent CEO surround by yes men is likely to do worse than an incompetent CEO surrounded by people that can actually critically think about shit. Again, this is an example so don't try to make this out as though I'm describing the NHL gamer staff through some cryptic code. Oddly enough on a side note, if we're talking about being respectful, would calling the league commissioner a cunt be classed as respectful? Furthermore, if people want a reminder, this whole "division" system has been talked about for almost a year now and still it's 'a work in progress':

Seen as I was complaining about stuff in the chatbox, I may as well say one thing here. If there's one thing that makes zero sense to me is the ruling pertaining to what should happen should a player drop from a game. So, we're a 6v6 league, why should we even entertain the prospect of playing an entire period with an ai on the ice? If a player drops, the game should be dead (mostly). I will digress that if the game ends if someone drops, then there will always be someone scummy enough to try and abuse it, so it would make sense then to say that the next stoppage would end the game. Still though, isn't it better to try and work through these problems instead of just straight up copping out and defeating the purpose of a 6s league? As it stands the onus to decide whether or not the period should continue is left to the opposing team for some reason. Why is that so? I can't possibly think of a single reason why this more reasonable than letting the team that dropped a player decide, especially since they're (typically) in direct contact with the dude that dropped. I'm sure there are other rules that strike me as odd, but this just straight up perplexes me and as such I would welcome some clarification on the thought process behind it.

Nah man I have a madcatz controller to handle that for me, it turbo charges the C button and I get puck hacks

Press up to score Very secret strat only the best know tbh

Oh come on, there's positive thinking and then there's delusional thinking. We'll go no where if we're constantly aiming for the stars when we can't get past the trees in front of us.

We really, really, really couldn't. Thinking that we could in some way actually influence EA is beyond naive. Does anyone here actually go to EA invite-only events? Because otherwise we're gonna do diddly-fuck-all, especially since EA barely listens to those that go to play tests year after year, let alone some random EU nhl eashl site.

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Modesty is key here

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Fairenough, but don't hold it against me if shit remains the same for next season

You see the thing is, I did do that before, legit go through my post history, you'll see the post quality gradually decrease as I begin to realise that very little will actually be changed. Seriously, I implore you go through all of these topics and see how much has actually changed even on the most basic of decisions (such as a player dropping mid period for example), so yea, pardon me for losing a little faith in the system so to speak.

Ha, so instead of voicing my opinion I should just straight up shut up and 'deal with it', man you should go into politics with thinking like that. And yes, you are correct that not everything will go my way but out of what I have said, what is completely unique to me? The ban on Pair? Nope. The WO rule with a banned team? Nope, Billy also thinks it's stupid. How the site is setup so that any discussion can ultimately get immediately veto'd? Well I know I'm not alone in thinking that. Believe it or not, but there are a lot more members on here besides those that post a lot, unfortunately most that actually do post are so far up this site's ass they're gonna need a toothbrush soon. And dude, this isn't my first tournament so don't try to talk smack to me about not lasting. Better to have some criticism than a bunch of yes men which is what this site is turning into, but w/e, this site completely perfect and anyone that complains about it should be banned right? Sick.

You raise a point about this site being more like a business, but is that entirely the correct way that people (ie: Kenu) should be approaching this? Besides, what even is the point in even asking for input if only the select few will be heard, seems a little counter-intuitive. Plus, if we are treating it like a business, it's more like a monopoly at this point since there's no where else with this many teams running these tournaments, so people telling me to fuck off because I'm complaining are a little dim in the head.

Hmmm, please direct me to a site that is doing European EASHL 6s tournaments... yea about that. Nice try tho

Please, I'm acting like this because appearing in the manner you have suggested has gotten no where in the past. Besides I'm just pissed at this entire site in general but that's something for another day. Although I am curious if any of these so called 'discussions' have led to anything substantial before, all it feels like at the moment is a bit of fake democracy (ie: say people have a choice and can make decisions but in reality they can't do anything). Additionally, pray tell how I look more childish than the guy calling the admins Nazis? Nice filter you've got going there.

Just saying but if the main guy was banned and the rest of the team was left (because you know, plausible deniablity and all that law garbage amirite???) we wouldn't have this issue.

Congrats, you're currently one of the few outsiders, doesn't show shit for the entire community.

And why the fuck should we respect the stats and keep them in tact? Who the fuck cares if the stats are intact? No one is going to look in from the outside on this league and join because the fucking stats "look intact" Jesus Christ. Be fair for fucks sake, it's really not difficult, fuck me.

Arguments can be made for keeping stats intact and giving WO for all teams, arguments can be made for striking them from the records completely, but FFS how does anyone have the mind to arrive to keeping the stats together, then give out WO to those that haven't played? So damn illogical it's hilarious.

As far as I can tell, nope you are wrong. The rule is as follows, "if the opponent was available they get a walk over win". Therefore it would go without saying that seen as other teams played them, they were available to play. And btw, don't use the excuse that you can't change rules mid tournament as an excuse for not making better rules before hand (ie: covering all scenarios).

I agree, if a team is removed from a tournament through bans or inactivity, all games involving that team should be nullified. Side note, so lemme get this straight. Because my team played Circus last night instead of waiting, we lost out on 3pts? Sick system broskis, should either give every game a WO or take every game out of the records

That's 12 teams out of 52 (23.1%), that's beyond unfair and then some.

I'm confused, in my model and Billy's there is 2 finalists (one from group a/b and one from group c/d). Unless of course you're talking about the 'bye week' I outlined. In which case, yes it would be a little strange / awkward but it could just be given to the top ranked team remaining in each 'conference'. A reward if you will for playing well throughout the tournament.