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If the podcast was 2 hours long, then perhaps a introduction could serve a point. But since they are doing a short version, it should really just be sweet and intense since they will have no problem keeping peoples attention for that short period of time. For me, it's the guys behind the podcast that maters and not so much the topic at hand. When listening to a podcast you want to be invited to their world and you trust the producers that the whole show will be interesting in terms of opinion and content. The same principle applies if you go to the movies or theatre. If they have to present every subject at the start to keep listeners hooked, then they are doing something wrong. The intro works the other way around for me. If I know that a topic that don't interest me will come up last, I will never finish the podcast. Better to keep the suspense and option for surprise throughout the whole episode. Then again, it's ECL-talk so everything should be pretty, pretty interesting to begin with. No need for the boring introduction. Just my opinion.
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This type of structure does very well in many formats, but entertainment usually don't tell the consumer what's coming up, simply because of the fact that one don't want to give away the element of surprise. I do believe a more spontaneous format is something that could help with the personality of the podcast in this case since the hosts already seem pretty structured in their natural state of mind. Makes for a good mix. We also already have the context before starting a new episode since the podcast solely focuses on ECL-talk, so we already know what we have to expect so no need for a lengthy introduction. .
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Great job guys and a great initiative. I would like you to get a bit more personal tho, since your not doing a podcast about science or history. You are doing a podcast where the only thing that matters is your opinion about things - so speak up! Be spontaneous, humorous or even harsh if necessary. Also, I don't think there is no need for the intro where you structure what the whole podcast should be about. Gives the podcast that "cooperate feel" you want to avoid. But two interesting characters. This ought to be good when you find your rhythm. Keep going
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EU Clubs looking for players - PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S
Jesus replied to Robsom's topic in EASHL Teams
Hello. All the goalies out there who is in need of a team ... contact me! We need a starting goalie -
79 teams. Wow good job! I do however believe Lite division will be kind of unbalanced. Both Bone Breakers and possibly Dead End Kings could be in the top of pro division. I was never a fan of such broad Lite-division, since I do believe there might be some problems in the future with teams losing interest. Time will tell. And a message to pro teams. Company of Geeks will crush every single one of you.
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Love the format. This is the perfect way of kicking of the new division oriented league. Hallelujah
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Jesus replied to Lowryy's topic in European Championship League - PS5 & Xbox Series X|S(6v6)
I was just kidding with you. But fact of the matter is that nhlgamer will implement lots of the things your asking for. You seem to have missed the debate we already had before this thread. I'm for divisions, but not 3 division since I think it will kill a lot of activity for mediocre or lesser teams. Time will tell, but I'm right! The only new idea you brought to the table was the thing about top teams having minor clubs in the lower division. Like Barcelona or Real Madrid in La Liga. To me, it's a cateshropic idea, but might sound interesting to others. And yes, LeaugeGaming has some nice concepts. For the people who don't know. What more do you want added from LeaugeGaming? -
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Jesus replied to Robsom's topic in EASHL Teams
That might be true. But I know that the CoG name came from the FIFA scene, in some type of constellation. We started to play EASHL the first day of NHL 09. So not sure if it's possible to be an older EASHL club at least. Interested to know in what form HC Sika was formed in 2007. Not that it matters lol -
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Jesus replied to Robsom's topic in EASHL Teams
Northern Stars and Company of Geeks should be up for the title as well. Both teams started out in 08, if I remember it correctly. No team couldn't really compete in virtual hockey before that. Pretty sure CoG was a FIFA-club before a hockey club for example. So not sure your the oldest! -
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Jesus replied to Robsom's topic in EASHL Teams
How come so many finnish teams only looks for other finnish players? Some of them even write their messages in finnish, making sure no other nationality will apply for their team. I detect some racism. This oppression will not stand! -
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Jesus replied to Robsom's topic in EASHL Teams
Can I join? Oh wait I'm already in the team. However, if I was a free agent or just tired of my current uninspiring team, I would join these guys in a heartbeat! You should do the same. -
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Jesus replied to Lowryy's topic in European Championship League - PS5 & Xbox Series X|S(6v6)
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It's two different discussions. One about not having 3 divisions and one about having 3 divisions. If we do, the third division must be the smallest because to few teams will have the energy of trying to reach division 2. We can't either let already established names start over in division 3. I think there is a chance of there being quite many teams in division 3 for the first season, but after that the growth will be zero. What we can learn from e-sport is that new teams emerge, often in form of a colleberation of two old teams. I have no idea how making most teams starting over in division 3 will gain competition. Every e-sport depends on new talent and new teams emerging. The system that is proposed is working against this purpose. Not good for competition.
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Right now it will be 16/16/18. However, assuming that all the remaining teams will take part in the next tournament, there will still be at least additional 5 teams. That means we will play 16/16/23. Many of the teams out of these 23 teams in divsion 3, will in fact be consisting of former div 1 and div 2 players. Because, fact of the matter is that all teams in the current top 32 will not stick together for the next tournament. Instead, lesser teams 32-40 will step in and fill in those gaps only because they decided not to form a new team. You mess things up from the gecko with such a wide divison 3 since it will be so hard to reach division 2 in the first season. Many ok team will stop trying. However. In a couple of tournaments, division 2 will be uneven in numbers of teams even with todays format, not least due to the exceptional status-rule since many expierenced teams will start over and ask for that status. If the staff don't want the community to die, they will have to grant more and more teams. So whether you like it or not, division 2 will be the division that grows the most. On the same note, Division 3 will get smaller by each tournament since most people don't have the time or energy of taking part in that wasteland. Why not make division 2 bigger from the gecko? Whether that means 24 or 32 teams can be discussed. That way, we don't risk missing out on many teams in the craddle. This tournament had almost 60 teams from the start. We have to cherrish each and every team. Otherwise, it will be really hard to rebuild this community. It will be even harder with 3 divisions. I tell you dude. Division 3 will die. In the end it will be the smallest division by far, if it even will exist at all. Why not make things right from the start? I'm not a big fan of 3 divisions. However, since the staff already made up their mind about this matter, I focus on telling them this one thing. Right now, division 3 only makes sense if it's really, really small. Division 3 should focus on giving teams like Terrific Tigers, Elänäm Kiekko or West Coast Wasps a chance of reaching division 2. Not focus on teams like Company of Geeks, Baltic Sea Eagles, Ducktales or a expierenced xbox-team (this will be a missed market) that want to try out the ps4 community (pelikirja for example etc) a chance to reach division 2.
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Well, yeah. For the first season, the turn out of teams in the casual league will probably not be that great. But compare that to the huge division 3 where no one wants to play. The upside with a casual league is the fact that it don't risk hurting the community the way division 3 might do. Also. Tokfan made a great point about a bigger division 2. 16 teams in the playoff is way more exciting than 8 playoff teams. There we have something special that makes division 2 unique in its own right. Dynamic!
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The #14 ranked div 1 team that lost against the 3# ranked div 2 team, will take their place in div 2. The other two nailed spots will be divided 1+1. It's not a problem! There are several ways of forming the casual league. But the main point is that I think NHLgamer should focus on competing with EASHL in the casual gaming department. I do believe there is a market for new teams consisting of 8 irl friends who like to hang out, drink beer and have a fun time. Why not play EASHL through NHLgamer? But if you really want 3 divisions, why do we make the third division so big? Maybe I didn't understand things correctly, but if we for example have 60 teams for the next tournament will the spread be 16/16/28? If you ask me, since most teams in europe can compete in div 2, would it not be smarter to go with 16/32/12 or 16/32/7 if we only have 55 teams? That to me, reflects the community much more. I think the idea of having a large div 2 makes the most sense. It also makes it easier for relegated div 2 teams to get back to div 2. If you ask me, a div 3 season don't have to be as long as the season in the other two divisions. Div 3 is all about getting back to div 2. The fewer games, the better. We all know that div 3 teams usually are the first ones to leave the tournament. Anything else just seems like a waste.
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Fact of the matter is that a casual league covers all the points you make about division 3. In fact, it will be even more fun for casual teams. How fun will it be for newcomers to battle expierenced teams who have started over in division 3? If I understod you correctly, you also wanna get rid of the exceptional status-thingy since it destroys the idea of fair play (I agree with you). That means you wanna introduce new teams by letting them play against for example Unknown. Even teams like CoG or other teams on that level will not be a pleasent expierence for newcomers. Already established teams will always be in the top of division 3, and top division 3 teams will most likely always beat the bottom division 2 team. It's better for them to join a casual league and play lots of EASHL and then join div 2 when they feel ready. Division 3 will give them nothing. Btw, stop accusing "none playoff"-teams of pushing their own agenda. You were not happy about Billys point of only div 1 guys expressing their opinion, so don't send back the exact same message. I hope the staff test out the 2 division system. If the community grows and the quality gaps gets wider and more clear, then we can give 3 divisions a shot. As it is now 3 equally large divisions, don't reflect the community. It divides and punish to many teams.
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Again. Two divisions + one casual league. That is the wisest course of action
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It's not about creating a easy road. It wouldn't be easier for us to reach division 1 even if we were placed in division 2. However, it would be easier to build a team. And it would also save a lot of time and energy. I think that every member of a division 3 team, with some sort of ambition to become better will agree with me.
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Would be interesting to hear from some other division 3 members. Do you want to start out in division 3?
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Look at the bigger picture here. You will not be able to build a good team in division 3. Yet to get the hell out of there, you have to not only win the division but also win a bo7-series, only to be able to start building your team. If your #15 or #16 you don't belong with the big dogs. People have to understand what the consequence of divisions is. It means a divided league with most players flocking to the top division. The lowest division will be completely dead of talent. A wasteland, if you so will. I want two divisions because a lot of talent will stay in both divisions since instead of huge rosters in div 1, many players will start over in division 2. That way new teams and new collaborations will emerge.
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A series is unfair, since division 1 teams have a better pool of players to choose from. This does also apply to div 2 and 3. How is my team filled with otp-player suppose to compete against a higher division team in a series on a fair level? I think that is reason enough to skip the idea of a series. If you win or get second in your division, you have earned your spot in a higher division. The natural progression of this, is that you also will be able to attract better players in the new division. This is not a problem. However, it is a problem for a lot of for example, div 2 players. Many players taking part in the sucess of a div 2 team reaching the highest division, will not get any playing time in the highest division. They will get replaced and stop playing. The same goes for new div 2 teams.
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I'm the perfect example of someone who dosen't sell his friends for "succes" lol. Dude. Reality is. Most division 1 teams will have gigantic rosters. Most of these players will be inactive during seasons. But when a new div 2 team arrives, they will see their chance to get some playing time. This is what will happen. Of course new div 1 teams will add a lot of new good players to their team. You live in this fantasy world, where you think good players wanna play in div 2 or 3. Already today we can see it. Most teams active haven't sticked together from the begining. It's teams consisting of different constellations.
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But most top players will still wanna play in div 1. You don't believe that a div 2 team that reaches the highest division will trade new div 1 players to their team?
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It's not that simple. One reason why most leagues have 2 spots open for the newcomers is the fact that div 2 teams rarely competes with div 1 fairly. Div 2 usually, don't have the resources of attracting as good players. They can only start building, when they reach division 1. So in fact. To only have play in will always be in favor of the div 1 team. Not fair play.
