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10 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:
For example i wouldnt. I play in a team with full of players i want to play with. If we get promoted to elite division i wouldnt change a thing and to be honest, who would? Isnt that sign of good players and team play if you manage to reach the elite division?
But maybe that is difference between me and you, you like to sell your friends for "succes".
And is it any different if they get promoted straight or through series?
I'm the perfect example of someone who dosen't sell his friends for "succes" lol.
Dude. Reality is. Most division 1 teams will have gigantic rosters. Most of these players will be inactive during seasons. But when a new div 2 team arrives, they will see their chance to get some playing time.
This is what will happen. Of course new div 1 teams will add a lot of new good players to their team. You live in this fantasy world, where you think good players wanna play in div 2 or 3.
Already today we can see it. Most teams active haven't sticked together from the begining. It's teams consisting of different constellations.
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4 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:
This is not real life where teams has player budget and shit. This doesnt apply in this community.
But most top players will still wanna play in div 1. You don't believe that a div 2 team that reaches the highest division will trade new div 1 players to their team?
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3 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:
It's far from closed division since every team still will have a chance to get promoted to elite division. If they are not good enough to beat #15 and #16 in relegation series then they are not good enough to play in elite division. It's really simple and im actually amazed that somebody will talk about "competitive" divisions and still leaves a chance that actually elite division does not have the top 16 teams in there.
It's not that simple. One reason why most leagues have 2 spots open for the newcomers is the fact that div 2 teams rarely competes with div 1 fairly. Div 2 usually, don't have the resources of attracting as good players. They can only start building, when they reach division 1.
So in fact. To only have play in will always be in favor of the div 1 team. Not fair play.
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23 minutes ago, imosi said:
Same guys complaining every year that we need changes and this site is lacking stuff and staff.
Now that there is coming big changes, they complain about that as well.
Good job boys!
I don't complain about staff and stuff. I don't complain about divisions either. Only the choice of having 3 divisions.
I do this, because I asked myself ... what will hurt this community the most.
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2 hours ago, gzell60 said:
I understand some of the concern in here, however I want to add to two of the points mentioned here:
3 instead of 2 divisions
It is an important factor when it comes to timing. In my opinion (which does not represent the whole staff), it is important to create a dynamic environment which can only be achieved if it is possible to make noticeable leaps within one year (here: go from Div 3 to Div 1 within one year). With 2 divisions, I'm not sure if we meet the purpose of a division system. It would be no different to the current system if we break it down to the basics.
Player base / available players
32 teams in Div 1/2 will not bloat their roster with an infinite amount of players (it does not work). In fact, if we compare the amount of players (32 x 10 = 320) with the amount of registered members, we end up with lots of free agents. On top of that, I have a feeling the general EASHL player base grew slightly compared to last year. Also, don't underestimate the effect we as a community can have to draw existing NHL players into the EASHL mode if we do exciting stuff.
I agree about the community size so far, but what is your alternative? Wait and see until it's crumbling down?
I'm not that kind of guy. And I know Kenu and the other staff guys aren't either. Let's just act and do new things instead of shutting down, eh?
No, there won't be many good players available. In this tournament, there was perhaps 300 players who played more than 20 games. The player pool will also be smaller with this system. The best we can hope for is bigger rosters in already existing teams. However, since most GMs will only front 6-8 guys, most guys will lose interest and stop playing.
Reality is that even guy #10 on a div 1 or div 2 team, will not get himself traded to a division 3 team. You also talk about a growing EASHL. Well, it dosen't matter. You will not be able to sell NHLgamer with the argument "Come and play in division 3". EASHL-teams is already dead and tired of divisions and the road to division 1. Now you make them go through more divisions again, in order for them to compete.
In fact, you use the old Rammjagsingh-tactic of not making things accessible.
You talk about a dynamic league. Well, there will still be leaps between divisions every tournament with two divisions. How dynamic is it to have a lot of ok teams in division 3? For most div 3 teams, there won't be any leaps anyhow. So there is nothing dynamic about it.
Let's focus on making div 1 and 2 dynamic and more fun instead.
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8 hours ago, Egyptologen said:
Or practise. If you are a division 3 club then maybe you are right that it will exclude some players from joining...but will also open up spots for newcomers. Teach them, practise, get better.
I don't like subjective opinions at all when it comes to placing teams in divisions, seeding groups or whatever so I agree with you.
I didn't mean to patronize but you guys sound like its an eternity to be placed in division 3. When the fact is that neither you or Jesus have been very active for a long time. So 2 months is nothing.
And we are still just debating your side of it as one of the better division 3 teams. When creating divisions someone will feel they deserve to be higher up in the rank. And in that case they get to prove it during 2 months
Whether we have been active or not is irelevant to the point of having 2 divisions instead of 3.
It will be 2 months for some, but for most ok teams it will rather be a year. Most ok teams will never continue trying to reach div 2 and div 3 will be killed off whether you like it or not. It also depends on how much this exceptional status-thing is abused. If rarely used the top of division 3 will be tougher than people expect, which also will kill the fun for lesser teams. In the end however, the staff will be forced to be more liberal in the ruling if they don't want to see to many good players stop playing. History tells us that not many players stick with each other for long. We should give them a natural plattform to start over.
To me it's also kind of weird talking about taking NHL to a e-sport level, and then talk about exceptional status for certain teams. How is this e-sport worthy? Again. This wouldn't be a problem with two divisions.
I don't like the fact that all new teams will be crippled from the start. My perspective is actually kind of important here, since I represent someone who was thinking about starting a new club. This system award players who instead of starting a new club, tries to get themselfs traded to another team. The community will really hurt from this. There is no growing potential with this system.
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16 minutes ago, Egyptologen said:
This is a bit ridiculous. People who havent been playing the game are now saying -No I cant do two months in division 3, I'll retire.
Its not the end of the world if you are placed in a lower division. Play for 2 months and move up.
Anyone who are not willing to build their franchise for more than 2 months don't really get what Kenu and the straff is trying to build. And those of you who end up in division 3 and feel you don't deserve to be there. Im sure the problem is not that you cant recruit players but the fact that you havent played the game enough...which luckily has a quick fix
Fact of the matter is that every team that today don't have a complete roster and are placed in divison 3, will be forced to trade mediocre players to the team and hope for the best.
First when you reach division 2, will one be able to start building something consistent.
I think this a weird way of playing in a tournament.
Also to be honest. I think it's weird that some teams will get a pass based on a subjective opinion from the staff, while other will be forced to go the long way. This wouldn't be the case with only two divisions. It would be fair competition.
Also, I wanna make it clear that this is not about CoG. Even if we were placed in div 2, I wouldn't be happy about this system.
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2 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:
This is where our opinion differs mate.
A whole lot of mediocre teams will more or less always be the punching bags of the tournament as the format is now.
A 3 division format would give all these teams some sort of realistic yet still very much competetive meaning and purpose. Heck i would even watch a BO7 series between a top div 3 team and a bottom div 2 just to see what team gets promoted. Man that shit is thrilling
. Those same 2 teams playing against eachother in a "bigger division 2"? Not as interesting. Oh well, im not trying to talk anyone over. Of course people are gonna have different opinions about this. Im sure it will turn out fine in the end
Well, it may sound exciting. But the punching bags will also be the punching bags in div 3. They will not be able to compete. You can see it today. Teams placed 16-22 in each group crush the so called punching bags. If division 3 was smaller, then yes perhaps we could get some excitment going.
Fact of the matter is that more than half the teams in division 3, will be good enough to play in division 2. To me, for these teams to play in div 3 just sounds like a giant waste of time. Also dangerous because these teams will lose interest.
Not good for the community.
But yeah, we have different opinions of course and we see things in different ways. However, in this case, I do believe my prediction are correct. For me, the only exciting thing about divisions is the gap between div 1 and 2 - just as in real life.
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Would it not be easier to get rid of division 3 so there's no need for this exceptional status-thingy? I don't get it.
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1 minute ago, cHIIMEERa said:
@Jesus, @Billy44205 you're dissapointed. i get it. To be fair though, your record in ECL3 is currently 16-27-1 and the line has to drawn somewhere. All you can do is show the community where you belong by getting promoted in the first go of division 3. Like i said earlier, its not like you will be alone trying.
You don't seem to get the point tho. CoG should be in the lowest division. The point is, there should only be two divisions.
Also, div 3 will die in a couple of seasons, mark my words. No teams will start over, and the teams relegated to div 3 will stop playing and it will also be harder to attract new teams.
Get rid of it. Let's play with 2 divisions, and a free standing league for teams who just want to have a fun time.
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13 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:
You will most likely play in div 3. Would you say you're not experienced?
Don't think so to be honest. It will be impossible to build a team in div 3. And this goes for a lot of ok teams. Instead, what will happen is that some members of these teams will find new teams in div 1 or 2.
The rest will stop playing.
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6 minutes ago, Egyptologen said:
Jesus, I like you...but common, you guys havent been playing for a long time. Cog used to be a top team, but you're not anymore and its because you havent been playing the game. This system benefits the ones who put time and effort into playing. I dont see what is wrong with that. I don't know if Synergy will be in the Elite division, but if not, Im looking forward to getting there.
I also dont get this idea that you need to recruit top players to become a top team. I bet you didnt consider Drunken Rebels a top team when we stepped onto the scene? Well Synergy is a merge between old synergy and Drunken and I dont think the Drunken players are worse. You get better by practising and playing. You also get worse by not playing which your team is a perfect example of. Sorry that sounded more harsh than I meant...but you get the point.
It's not like I'm here suggesting CoG should be in Div 1. Believe or not, but i'm being objective here and I do want this community to do well. However, I fear few new teams will have the energy to go through div 3 only to reach div 2.
This is a monumental problem in many ways. For example. We have many div 1 teams that will stop playing together after one or two tournaments. Some members of those teams will of course find new div 1 teams. But some members of those teams gonna wanna start something new and fresh from scratch.
Now. If they only had to go back one division, that would be a possibility. But now with 3 divisions in place, what will happen instead is the fact that they will stop playing all together.
3 divions is not good for activity. Not even for top teams.
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10 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:
Dont name the third division "amateur". A whole lot of experienced players will have to start out in that div. Spare them some dignity, they're not amateurs
Regarding the division system: Not a day to soon. Great news!
Haha.
Well, thing is no experenced player will play in division 3. This is a great miscalculation from the staff.
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Can someone explain the pros of division 3, that a casual league for anyone who just want to have a fun time can't deliever? You can of course have a playoff and a winner in a casual league, but don't see the point of making this part of the division system.
In fact. A free league would benefit bad teams even more since they would have more fun and more even competetion.
I'm happy to listen, but I haven't heard any good arguments yet, to be honest.
Will stop spamming now
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3 minutes ago, vSilenttio said:
Wait. There's big chance to earn your place in the better league - not only once a year but three times per one NHL-game and you use word "closed". Uhh...
Dont get me wrong. I understand your point of view here but these arguments you're trying to build around it are not matching with the ultimate point.
Great news for our growing community. C'mon boys!
This is not only about me. Only representing someone who isn't part of a div 1 team. But yes of course. It dosen't feel very nice to be able to play div 1 hockey until october 2017. That is, if there isn't any setbacks and if one can assamble a team. Because like I said earlier, how easy will it be for new teams in div 3 to build something for the future with all the good players going to higher divisions?
Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of divisions in a sense. However, I don't see why we need 3 divisions. If bad teams wanna play against other bad teams, why not open up a casual league for them to join? Problem solved. Why punish a lot of ok teams? Division 3 will not be enjoyable for anyone.
If we wanna raise the bar for division 2 even further, we can have "play ins" to the division. That way we only get ambitious teams. Point is. There is a lot of good suggestions to use, instead of this pointless system that only takes up peoples time and energy.
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Hello, me again.
I have a question. In what way will having 3 divisions empowering new or lesser teams to become better?
How are division 3 team suppose to get better from this? I'm afraid that it will be really hard to find good players in division 3. And even if you find one, it will be hard to keep them with the argument "play with us ... you get to play competitive in half a year".
What is your thoughts? To me, this more looks like you want to close the league.
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"Hello my name is Jesus. Do you want to come and play RW with our division 3 club?"
Will be quite the challenge to find some good players for CoG lol
OTP-free agent market it is, I guess ...
Not a fan
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2 hours ago, gzell60 said:
No, we are using EASHL drop in games (I think they are called "Quick Play", but I'm not sure... never used English language in the game before) where you can invite players to a private lobby. I think I can put up a short tutorial before the tournament starts. This way we avoid balancing issues with players like Crosby, Stamkos etc.
Yeah no I understand that we wont play with the likes of Crosby and kane.
But I guess that the teams in the SC will have made up club names on the site? So why the need to use "private drop in" when you simply can challenge other clubs through the eashl club system?
or maybe its the same thing? Kind of new to this game
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How is the team thing gonna work. I guess "private drop in" means Chicago vs San Jose etc?
Introducing - ECL Divisions
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Posted · Edited by Jesus
A series is unfair, since division 1 teams have a better pool of players to choose from. This does also apply to div 2 and 3. How is my team filled with otp-player suppose to compete against a higher division team in a series on a fair level?
I think that is reason enough to skip the idea of a series. If you win or get second in your division, you have earned your spot in a higher division. The natural progression of this, is that you also will be able to attract better players in the new division.
This is not a problem. However, it is a problem for a lot of for example, div 2 players. Many players taking part in the sucess of a div 2 team reaching the highest division, will not get any playing time in the highest division. They will get replaced and stop playing. The same goes for new div 2 teams.