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Btw, Northern Stars should be signed by Djurgården (DIF) any day now. Now that would be awesome!
Chiimera ... make that phone call!!!!
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Very cool.
I predict that Pajen will be a huge AIK legend
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As we all know hockey fans usually don't have the best taste in music. So this was actually a pleasant surprise. Not the best soundtrack in the series by and means (that awards still goes to NHL 08 with Luna Halo, playradioplay etc) but overal I'm quite satisfied with this soundtrack. Some artist on the list really deserves the recognition. I'm especially delighted to see Arkells included (listen to Book Club if you haven't already). Hipsterpop at it's finest!
At least we don't have to listen to "We will rock you" on repeat. That was my greatest fear!
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Great interview. Never heard this man get so many specific questions before in any interview. So respect to Kenu and the community. The question about selling consumables quicker in HUT was clearly an eye-opener to Rammer. So hopefully we get that in the post-game as well.
Not a big fan of Rammer and the way this franchise has devoloped over the years, however the NHL 19 beta was the best example of virtual hockey since NHL 14, so let's hope for the best
Nhlgamer FTW!!!!!!
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Congratulations. Well deserved. Interesting backstory behind the organisation as well.
I'm just curious. Is there any content creator or streamer that can make a living out of playing NHL?
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On 2018-03-12 at 4:12 PM, janbonator said:
That is pretty messed up. I mean they included some tax havens comprising of a rock and a mail box, as well as a country in Asia (Turkey), but no Russia or Ukraine?
But hey, the Pope can take part!
The pope is a beast at NHL 18!
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IS-cup?
Time to grow a beard
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2 hours ago, Battletoad said:
Yo! We're here
I see russians everywhere ..
Good initiative tho.
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Who produced that trailer? Jesus?
Awesome work nonetheless. Guess Chiimera really wants NOS to win again, seeing those frustrating screams repeated three times!
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They really like horses in Hockeyallsvenskan.
AIK
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7 minutes ago, tbnantti said:
I like the introduction. That way I know if the podcast will even interest me. Should definitely keep it in my opinion.
If the podcast was 2 hours long, then perhaps a introduction could serve a point. But since they are doing a short version, it should really just be sweet and intense since they will have no problem keeping peoples attention for that short period of time.
For me, it's the guys behind the podcast that maters and not so much the topic at hand. When listening to a podcast you want to be invited to their world and you trust the producers that the whole show will be interesting in terms of opinion and content. The same principle applies if you go to the movies or theatre.
If they have to present every subject at the start to keep listeners hooked, then they are doing something wrong. The intro works the other way around for me. If I know that a topic that don't interest me will come up last, I will never finish the podcast.
Better to keep the suspense and option for surprise throughout the whole episode. Then again, it's ECL-talk so everything should be pretty, pretty interesting to begin with.
No need for the boring introduction. Just my opinion.
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21 minutes ago, Janikka said:
I agree on your former point but partially disagree on the latter. While the overview at the beginning is not absolutely necessary, it prepares the listener with a sense of structure that helps follow the podcast. That same principle is used in various media and is certainly not exclusive to formal contexts. Very often such a structuring introduction will be more subtle, though, and perhaps ECL Talk could learn from that to alleviate the sort of frigidity that I believe you're referring to. On the whole, I think the guys are keeping things pretty natural with a decent balance between form and the digressions of spontaneous banter.
This type of structure does very well in many formats, but entertainment usually don't tell the consumer what's coming up, simply because of the fact that one don't want to give away the element of surprise. I do believe a more spontaneous format is something that could help with the personality of the podcast in this case since the hosts already seem pretty structured in their natural state of mind. Makes for a good mix. We also already have the context before starting a new episode since the podcast solely focuses on ECL-talk, so we already know what we have to expect so no need for a lengthy introduction.
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Great job guys and a great initiative.
I would like you to get a bit more personal tho, since your not doing a podcast about science or history. You are doing a podcast where the only thing that matters is your opinion about things - so speak up! Be spontaneous, humorous or even harsh if necessary. Also, I don't think there is no need for the intro where you structure what the whole podcast should be about. Gives the podcast that "cooperate feel" you want to avoid.
But two interesting characters. This ought to be good when you find your rhythm.
Keep going
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79 teams. Wow good job!
I do however believe Lite division will be kind of unbalanced. Both Bone Breakers and possibly Dead End Kings could be in the top of pro division.
I was never a fan of such broad Lite-division, since I do believe there might be some problems in the future with teams losing interest. Time will tell.
And a message to pro teams. Company of Geeks will crush every single one of you.
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Love the format. This is the perfect way of kicking of the new division oriented league.
Hallelujah
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15 hours ago, Egyptologen said:
Hmm, earlier you said that div 1 and 2 players wont play in division 3, but now they will?
Saying OK teams will give up if they fail to reach division 2 in their first try is imo just speculation. it sounds to me like division 3 will be pretty competitive, so thats nice for those teams that fail to make the playoffs this ECL. Everyone can't be successful in a competition but you make it sound like if teams are not successful they will quit. Im sure this rings true for some ppl/teams and not for others.
I think I've exempted my pool of arguments and I think we could go on and on back and forth, but it all comes down to in which direction you want to take this community. If you want to offer a more competitive experience for those who want it and still offer a tournament for newer or more laid back teams then I think the admins proposition is good. If you want to keep things as they have always been then I think divisions altogether is a bad idea. Some people like change, some people want things as they are, its human nature.
I think NHL has the potential to become a serious e-sport and not just the hobby it is today. It's a long way, but I believe the first step towards that is offering more competitive leagues. Something is not right when your average eashl game is way tougher then ECL.
Edit: Again, just to be clear. Im not saying 16/16/infinity is the correct cutoff. Personally If I could do my own picking it would be be 12 (8 to playoffs) in Elite then 2x12 (16 to playoffs) in Pro and the rest in Div 3.
It's two different discussions. One about not having 3 divisions and one about having 3 divisions. If we do, the third division must be the smallest because to few teams will have the energy of trying to reach division 2. We can't either let already established names start over in division 3. I think there is a chance of there being quite many teams in division 3 for the first season, but after that the growth will be zero.
What we can learn from e-sport is that new teams emerge, often in form of a colleberation of two old teams. I have no idea how making most teams starting over in division 3 will gain competition. Every e-sport depends on new talent and new teams emerging. The system that is proposed is working against this purpose.
Not good for competition.
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6 hours ago, Egyptologen said:
Its not a problem if the groups are set. But if they are uneven...or even considered uneven then it will be a problem because then you have to switch up teams
Assuming no more teams quit this ECL we have 16/16/19. Ofc if there are 80 teams in the future then the cutoffs need amendments.
So the 2nd division would not have a limit of teams? Anybody can join? So a top team thats regulated will go from fierce competition to playing these 15-0 games again. Not very good imo.
I really dont see the problem, sorry Jesus. If you get placed in division 3 where you "don't belong" its 2 months before you are up a division. Having 32 teams in div 2 pretty much includes all the remaining teams in this tournament. If that is the case then div 1 should be bigger but then again, no real point in divisions at all.
Right now it will be 16/16/18. However, assuming that all the remaining teams will take part in the next tournament, there will still be at least additional 5 teams. That means we will play 16/16/23. Many of the teams out of these 23 teams in divsion 3, will in fact be consisting of former div 1 and div 2 players. Because, fact of the matter is that all teams in the current top 32 will not stick together for the next tournament. Instead, lesser teams 32-40 will step in and fill in those gaps only because they decided not to form a new team. You mess things up from the gecko with such a wide divison 3 since it will be so hard to reach division 2 in the first season. Many ok team will stop trying.
However. In a couple of tournaments, division 2 will be uneven in numbers of teams even with todays format, not least due to the exceptional status-rule since many expierenced teams will start over and ask for that status. If the staff don't want the community to die, they will have to grant more and more teams. So whether you like it or not, division 2 will be the division that grows the most. On the same note, Division 3 will get smaller by each tournament since most people don't have the time or energy of taking part in that wasteland.
Why not make division 2 bigger from the gecko? Whether that means 24 or 32 teams can be discussed. That way, we don't risk missing out on many teams in the craddle. This tournament had almost 60 teams from the start. We have to cherrish each and every team. Otherwise, it will be really hard to rebuild this community. It will be even harder with 3 divisions.
I tell you dude. Division 3 will die. In the end it will be the smallest division by far, if it even will exist at all. Why not make things right from the start? I'm not a big fan of 3 divisions. However, since the staff already made up their mind about this matter, I focus on telling them this one thing. Right now, division 3 only makes sense if it's really, really small.
Division 3 should focus on giving teams like Terrific Tigers, Elänäm Kiekko or West Coast Wasps a chance of reaching division 2.
Not focus on teams like Company of Geeks, Baltic Sea Eagles, Ducktales or a expierenced xbox-team (this will be a missed market) that want to try out the ps4 community (pelikirja for example etc) a chance to reach division 2.
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1 hour ago, Egyptologen said:
Who wants to play in the casual league? Maybe 5-8 teams?
Well, yeah. For the first season, the turn out of teams in the casual league will probably not be that great. But compare that to the huge division 3 where no one wants to play.
The upside with a casual league is the fact that it don't risk hurting the community the way division 3 might do.
Also. Tokfan made a great point about a bigger division 2. 16 teams in the playoff is way more exciting than 8 playoff teams. There we have something special that makes division 2 unique in its own right.
Dynamic!
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1 hour ago, Egyptologen said:
Im not sure Im following you completely. You want the casual league to be separated from the elite and pro divisions? Who wants to play in the casual league? Maybe 5-8 teams? Eashl is the casual league imo. And new teams who wants to play competitive will automatically be placed in division 2? Which is gonna make that division pretty huge and uncompetitive. Sure you can make a pro division A and B. It's not a bad idea except there are lot of complications bound to arise such as what if 3 teams from elite gets relegated, in which division (group) will they play? Do you switch the teams up after each season because some ppl will definitely consider one group tougher?
Billy deserved that message since he know me and my views and yet called me biased
It's a manipulative argument.
The #14 ranked div 1 team that lost against the 3# ranked div 2 team, will take their place in div 2. The other two nailed spots will be divided 1+1. It's not a problem!
There are several ways of forming the casual league. But the main point is that I think NHLgamer should focus on competing with EASHL in the casual gaming department. I do believe there is a market for new teams consisting of 8 irl friends who like to hang out, drink beer and have a fun time. Why not play EASHL through NHLgamer?
But if you really want 3 divisions, why do we make the third division so big? Maybe I didn't understand things correctly, but if we for example have 60 teams for the next tournament will the spread be 16/16/28? If you ask me, since most teams in europe can compete in div 2, would it not be smarter to go with 16/32/12 or 16/32/7 if we only have 55 teams? That to me, reflects the community much more. I think the idea of having a large div 2 makes the most sense. It also makes it easier for relegated div 2 teams to get back to div 2. If you ask me, a div 3 season don't have to be as long as the season in the other two divisions. Div 3 is all about getting back to div 2. The fewer games, the better. We all know that div 3 teams usually are the first ones to leave the tournament.
Anything else just seems like a waste.
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12 hours ago, Egyptologen said:
I think the cutoff is fine, because keeping both elite and pro divisions fairly small will make them both competitive. Looking at the teams now Elite division will be fierce, which is fun but as I said, if you get relegated you still have a competitive fun tournament ahead of you with a clear goal of making it back to the elite division. That was my perspective for the elite team player (of which I'm not part of yet).
For the pro division clubs you will play in a very good league with several great teams. You have the opportunity to build a great team and charge for the top. I think a lot of pro players would prefer a chance to win that championship with a reward to the elite league instead of trying to get to the playoffs with a small chance of surviving the first round.
The third division will hopefully be a great introduction to newer teams or teams that perhaps would do better with some practise. The ones who would be unhappy about this are teams that miss this tournament's playoffs and consider themselves a division 2 team, and yeah I can understand the feeling but then again...the whole argument falls on the fact that it's 2 months you spend there if you are good enough.
Im a bit surprised Billy you are using arguments like I'm a D1 biased guy since you should remember our lengthy discussions back in NHL14 when we played on Xbox360 and my opinions about divisions at that time. It has not changed.
On the contrary the same can be said about those who argue against the divisions. I bet Peacerich is playing for a team that's barely missing the playoffs. It's not a wild guess, but a fact that people argue their own cause. I wouldn't mind starting in a lower division myself, maybe that's why I find it hard to hear people (not you Billy) who's team we dominated talk about the chance to win championships.
Edit: And no matter who's point of view you take its all just speculation. We don't know for sure a 3 or 2 division system works best and if one fail, you can switch to the other.
Fact of the matter is that a casual league covers all the points you make about division 3. In fact, it will be even more fun for casual teams. How fun will it be for newcomers to battle expierenced teams who have started over in division 3? If I understod you correctly, you also wanna get rid of the exceptional status-thingy since it destroys the idea of fair play (I agree with you). That means you wanna introduce new teams by letting them play against for example Unknown. Even teams like CoG or other teams on that level will not be a pleasent expierence for newcomers. Already established teams will always be in the top of division 3, and top division 3 teams will most likely always beat the bottom division 2 team.
It's better for them to join a casual league and play lots of EASHL and then join div 2 when they feel ready. Division 3 will give them nothing.
Btw, stop accusing "none playoff"-teams of pushing their own agenda. You were not happy about Billys point of only div 1 guys expressing their opinion, so don't send back the exact same message.
I hope the staff test out the 2 division system. If the community grows and the quality gaps gets wider and more clear, then we can give 3 divisions a shot. As it is now 3 equally large divisions, don't reflect the community. It divides and punish to many teams.
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Again. Two divisions + one casual league.
That is the wisest course of action
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35 minutes ago, vSilenttio said:
Gigantic rosters? Just because they would have chance to part of Elite team's roster, with playing 0 games? 8-10 is normal roster, what is gigantic?
The problem here is not that huge. It'll be just like it is today. Feels like the problem is that you (or other bottom teams) dont have easy road no more to the Top league, to play in the league where everyone wants to play.
Most of your arguments around your point of view (low tier team) dont convince me at all.
@Jnmxxx has a fair point here but I think playing 30 regular season games (5 week time period) would be enough to solve that where you belong to. @cHIIMEERa said it well: that would bring Divisions more closed than they will be with this system. This brings more hunger and victory feeling to teams who go far in Div2 & Div3 playoffs.
I mean seriously, if you're last in 30-game season, it's time to give someone else the chance.
For an example, if SIKA plays very bad Elite season and Sjukstugan plays big in Div2 by winning the whole Pro league, I'd say they deserve the place in the Elite and we would need to shake things up to be better next season.
It's not about creating a easy road. It wouldn't be easier for us to reach division 1 even if we were placed in division 2. However, it would be easier to build a team. And it would also save a lot of time and energy.
I think that every member of a division 3 team, with some sort of ambition to become better will agree with me.
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Would be interesting to hear from some other division 3 members. Do you want to start out in division 3?
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4 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:
Unfair? Is it fair to #15 and #16 teams that they go straight to lower division without the chance to prove that they are infact better and more suitable to elite division than pro division #1 and #2?
If you cant win the damn series your team doesnt belong with the big dogs.
Look at the bigger picture here. You will not be able to build a good team in division 3. Yet to get the hell out of there, you have to not only win the division but also win a bo7-series, only to be able to start building your team.
If your #15 or #16 you don't belong with the big dogs.
People have to understand what the consequence of divisions is. It means a divided league with most players flocking to the top division. The lowest division will be completely dead of talent. A wasteland, if you so will.
I want two divisions because a lot of talent will stay in both divisions since instead of huge rosters in div 1, many players will start over in division 2. That way new teams and new collaborations will emerge.
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It's a manipulative argument.
NHLGamer, Dr. Oetker and Elisa kicking off unparalleled 6vs6 experience with ECL 8
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Nice work Kenu.
We also have to remember that this expansion still is at it's birth and still pretty focused on the finnish market. There is still big potential especially in Sweden, Germany and Russia to even further establish the nhlgamer brand. Truly exciting times.
Dr Oetker makes the best frozen pizzas out there. I can recommend Dr. Oetker Ristorante Pizza Mozzarella. The mozzarella melts perfectly on top and the pesto blend in perfectly with all the delicious flavors. Also a great choice if you (God forbid) is a vegeterian. Great taste!
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