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To continue the conversation from the old thread... Now that the season is almost over for everyone, I would like to start a discussion about the upcoming tournaments and the ability bans. After playing the game more, I have to admit that I’ve started to doubt the “ban them all” approach. Why do I think we need abilities? I feel that the whole game has developed around the abilities, and I have a feeling that it will turn into a lot of turtle defense vs. turtle defense if all the abilities are banned. It could also force players to use builds that they normally wouldn't want to use. I propose banning all the Elite abilities. The currently allowed gold and blue abilities are pretty well-balanced. You could also keep the currently allowed gold abilities only if the community prefers that. Another interesting option would be allowing only one (gold or blue) ability per player. Please share your opinions. Does anyone else have doubts about the “ban them all” approach like I do?

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I agree with all of that 100%. We have also tried games without abilities and imo it makes gameplay much more "force hockey/crash the net" than it is now already. As a dman interceptions and sticklifts are enough bad already so personally i dont need more that kind of gameplay... Without abilities there is not any kind of onetimer threats or far distance shot threats and that allows people to play that "turtle defence". Lets keep same rules/bans like in this last ECL or then keep same bans but only allow gold and/or blue versions of abilities (=ban elite versions). And if we are going to ban elite abilities then ban those elite abilities from goalies also. I hope like there will come some kind of public voting poll from sportsgamer side so everyone is having a chance to affect desicion. Its better that way than small group is making that kind of desicion. Let community decide.

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The game is made to be played with x-factors and there are certain animations that only activates with x-factors (like wrist shots), that are in my opinion even more important then the perks themself. Playing without perks feels actually well balanced and you cant win games by only spamming backhand beauties, but I have to be afraid that it will affect too much to the style of play. It can make game even more dependent about fast breaks and broken play situations then it is already. Just waiting in front of your goalie and making it impossible to pass to middle is going to be pretty common playstyle then. Of course good players find a way and skill cap still matters. But does it make playing more boring in long sight? For me I would like to find something in between, like only using golden x-factors. I think they dont affect and boost too much to the players stats but still gives you the animations to shooting or poke checking! In my opinion it would kinda give the best out of both sides of the table. No advantige for only relying on x-factors.

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I do want to point out that banning all the traits will probably lead to more turtle defence and more emphasis on counters and rushes. Less shooting traits -> harder to be a threat from outside the middle in the o-zone -> just plug the middle with five guys if you’re the defending team. Also, no second wind -> less energy for everyone -> more reloading energy before breaking out and also more trapping -> more slow breakouts, less fast breakouts and less rushes in general -> probably a less entertaining game for the players and the viewers

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Agree 100%. Whatever the decision is, it would be fair for everyone to have time to adapt if there are going to be major changes not just one or two weeks before the new season. So the sooner the better.

Yeah there has read: "As we said in the original news story, the plan is to move away from Abilities for the Spring season, as that seems to be what the majority is asking for" but no one have said earlier like "next ECL Spring season is going to be played without abilities. So there hasnt been clear information about that yet. There can always be plans but there hasnt been any 100% confirmation about that. And like we have now seen there is people who have changed their minds about banning all because they have had time to test and see things. And i havent seen any kind of voting polls up there so who is that majority who is asking that? In these conversations there has been mainly same guys writing their opinions but that still really small part from whole community who are playing active this game and sportsgamer tournaments. And once again we are coming to that part where i personally know like many of players are afraid to take part to these conversations because there is so much offensive and toxic behaviour if you are having different opinion than some of higher division players. So imo public voting poll is only right way to solve this so we are able to get as much people as possible to take part this if we are aiming for that "majority" of people. Now that "majority" is small part from conversations or behind the scene talks. At least it feels like that.

The important thing is probably what Furyan wrote above. In this thread, Kenu says that it is likely a full ability ban for the upcoming season. Like Furyan wrote, we need a confirmation on this as soon as possible. Or a decision in another direction, as long as the decision is finalized so people can start practicing the right way. But as it looks right now, the latest information should be understood as ECL Spring being played completely without abilities.

After review, im down to join the ''ban them all'' side However, if we decide to ban them all, IN MY OPINION we need to ban PWF, DFD and ENF etc. Because as a defender who use the PMD, you need to counter the PWF with stick em up (you can ofc counter with better positioning too, but it's a lot harder overall as a PMD), the physical plays are already in favour of the PWF, and as a player i shouldn't be forced to use the DFD just to stand a chance in my own zone. So in my opinion we should keep the current bans where forwards can't use PMD on the wings, but we should add PWF and ENF to that list, and DFD ENF for the defenders. If you don't agree, i would like to hear your opinions regarding this 🙏

You make an excellent point here, but the problem is that they should have banned them all from the beginning, not in the middle of the release or during tournaments. I do agree that at some point we have to make a decision, but the best timing would be before the new release so we already know there won’t be abilities when the game launches and that it stays that way. I believe EA will not get rid of the abilities anytime soon (ever), as they make money from them. I’d also like to comment on the statement that “bans would not be based on the opinion of the loudest people in the community.” It’s not about who happens to speak up; it’s important that everyone who has an opinion feels encouraged to share it so all viewpoints can be heard. That was the whole reason I started this conversation. SportsGamer should make some decisions or conduct a poll as soon as possible so people have time to adjust.

Many people say that the game will get worse if all abilities are banned but we haven´t try it yet? 🤔 ➡️ What about if we create a password for games without abilities, so we can try to play without them? If you dont want to ban all abilities then this could also be a great idea: Sportsgamer should organize a poll about these abilities.

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This is a very good idea. There's apparently ample time before the next tournament, so now would be a good time to try it out even before any announcements, seeing as there should also be plenty of time to return to using abilities if needed.

Ban all the elite ones, and keep the bans as they are (maybe allow Elite Edges, but thats just my opinion)

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Not many time i write, but agree the most, should ban elites and play with blue and gold perks!

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Ban them all. If you want a great one timer, just put your points into it. It makes no sense that you have 75 slapshot power but can launch blazing onetimers with the perks.

That DM to all participating teams from ECL winter could work too and everyone is able to give their votes inside of teams too because there can be different thoughts between own team players. So votes are going to be calculated from every player, not as a team. Good idea for option @iSvamp 👍🏻 Most important thing is that like whatever the decision is in the end, rules and bans are same in every division

And that was the point. Tell us what the plan is and lock it in. Or base it on a democratic decision based on what the players want. That is the best option. Skip a poll. Send a DM to all participating teams from ECL Winter and let the captains collect votes from their teams without pressure from intimidating top players. And let a democratic decision remain a democratic decision.

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I can’t really justify my opinion with experience how gameplay would be because I have only played with current abilities rules this year (Gameplay is pretty good imo, it would be fairer without orange abilities), but I try to think what would be the most fair for everyone. In my opinion, the only fair solution is to ban all abilities, and they should stay banned as long as EA keeps the current ability system in the game. Otherwise, we will have this same discussion every single yearly release. The game would be more predictable, bans would not be based on the opinion of the loudest people in the community, there would not be unfairness because of abilities behind a paywall...game would just be fair for everyone.

I think banning everything will make the gameplay even worse. Defending will become even more turtle than it is, just because its almost impossible to score farther than 2 meters away from the net without shooting abilities. Attacking will become even more forcing than its ever been and i think thats not what we want. Only available skater abilities that i dont understand is "Tape to tape" and "Send it" why we have autosaucers and acceleration boosts in competitive gaming? I dont comment about goalie abilities, just because i want to avoid that brainless discussion. Just sharing my own thoughts👆

Just ban blue and orange abilities and allow only gold ones. (Also keeping current perk bans) Will give some extra flavour to gameplay but nothing too OP or ridiculous. If you cant score without abusing blue or orange perks, nor if you cant make a save without them, then you just suck

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