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We will thinking to made new leagues for players. Maybe low fees or free to play, just because guys want to PLAY 6s. Hit some reaction if you're interest about new tournaments, for everyone and different levels of players. Good night gamer. It was nice ride, not crying about fees for hobbies but if we have some prizepools, you NEED TO PAY funds back for winners. Sadly Kenu sold that firm for untrusted brothers, it's not community responsibly to fix that financial problem year to year. Everything went to down when NHLGamer turned into SG.

It's getting to be high time to step up. It's unbelievable that we just keep our mouths shut. WAKE UP saatana

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good song go listen to it. if gamer doenst come out with real facts and info i will not agree to pay for the missing money, because it will go lost again eventually, i have had known about gamers problems for some time so im not suprised, only suprise to me is why they havent tried to help themself with money from previous seasons when they have known about problems, to my 1+1 counting i can understand they should have some money left on pocket most probable thing is what happend is that owners too money hungry but cant really know before facts

@SportsGamer you should be reading this instead of leaving it to your admins to fight a battle that isn’t theirs… We’re all waiting for a response

It might actually be a good idea to use a program to get your grammar right. But if you want to use that as some sort of insult, that’s up to you. Maybe it’s even something you should consider yourself, to help correct the same kind of errors that happen when you play games. The hands, just like mine, aren’t quite what they used to be. If you want to go down that road and make this personal with small jabs, then fine. I can do the same and be completely transparent with you. You know what, maybe you should start using ChatGPT to think for you, because whatever that reply was supposed to be, it came out incredibly awkward. But credit where it’s due. It’s actually impressive to see you finally speak up. You’ve built quite the reputation for avoiding conflict and hiding behind your friends, so it’s refreshing to see you step out and actually respond instead of disappearing like usual. Now to the point. Nobody here ever expected you or the other volunteer admins to personally fix the finances or issue payments. The frustration isn’t aimed at the people who helped moderate tournaments or update brackets. It’s aimed at the person hiding behind the official SportsGamer account yesterday, who posted that confusing statement that somehow managed to make everything even less clear. You say you’re not part of the ownership, and that’s fair. But that’s exactly why your reply misses the point. You stepped into a discussion about accountability from the organization itself, not from unpaid helpers. When you admit you have zero insight while still trying to defend the situation, it comes across as defensive and misplaced. What people want isn’t another “I don’t know.” They want transparency from the people who took the money. The community has already done the math, and none of it adds up. There are debts, missing funds, and companies linked to the same structure that raise serious questions. Every vague or sarcastic answer just makes it worse. Nobody is asking you to solve this. But maybe stop treating legitimate criticism like it’s drama. Because while you might not have earned anything in ten years, a lot of players here have earned something worse, complete distrust.

Respectfully Svamp, what is it exactly that you want the "admins" to do here? Do you want us to reply to every post with a "yasss kween slayyy", or a "ur so right babe"? You can ascribe guilt to the admins all you want with as much fervour as you can muster, still doesn't make even a little bit of it true. Do I know the behind the scenes info about the financial state of affairs of SportsGamer? Lol, lmao even.

I mean how hard can it be to say where the money is? This silence will only make them lose more teams than they already have. but maybe they dont care anymore.

Funny how the “esports dream” turned into a debt collection story. Let’s be honest. We’ve all been paying for seasons with a massive risk of never seeing that money again. The only difference now is that more people in the community finally realize it. Not a single cent should go to this website until they have paid their debts to the players. If that means the platform collapses, so be it. At least then it would be transparent. You can’t revive something that’s already dead. And yes, we know the admins are reading. The silence after their last statement says it all. More questions, zero answers. Silence doesn’t look professional. It looks guilty. #PayThePlayers

Thanks Sportsgamer for coming out with some sort of gloss over explanation of what is going on. The big question now is: What about the upcoming season(s)? It is pretty obvious that the money owed in the playerbase needs to be paid back for those who want it, before the next season starts and more money is asked to be paid up for the company, because from now on people will invest their money with 100% risk of never winning anything back from the prize pool. If the company goes bankruptcy, people will never see their money and have no legal ways to demand it to be paid back. Unfortunately the "community dream" is becoming the end company. However the majority of the community never wanted or dreamed about massive prize pools or esports lifestyle, we just want to play competitive but not too serious hockey with friends and have fun! Now this part of the community is becoming the backbone of saving the company which is absolutely wrong. After all this I firmly believe that most of the community is ready to help with some sort of resurrection when it all goes down. However this requires pure honesty and open planning with the whole community. What ever the scenario is, money is needed to be paid back to someone and with small fees and time, there should be a way to go back to the glory days of NHLGamer. For Kenu I want to say, I hope you are doing well and remember there is better days ahead.

This calculation has been around the community for a while. From what I remember, it was based on the license setup and pricing during NHL 24, using the actual number of teams per division that year. It also includes both Winter and Spring seasons, plus the officially announced prize pools. 💰 Original Community Estimate Elite 💳 Player Licenses: 6 players × 16 teams × 40 € = 3,840 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 16 teams × 1,000 € = 16,000 € 💰 Total Revenue: 19,840 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 18,920 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 920 € Pro 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 32 teams × 40 € = 10,240 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 32 teams × 700 € = 22,400 € 💰 Total Revenue: 32,640 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 6,192 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 26,448 € Lite 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 64 teams × 40 € = 20,480 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 64 teams × 400 € = 25,600 € 💰 Total Revenue: 46,080 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 6,261 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 39,819 € Core 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 48 teams × 40 € = 15,360 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 48 teams × 222 € = 10,656 € 💰 Total Revenue: 26,016 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 1,980 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 24,036 € Total (Top 4 Divisions) 💰 Total Revenue: 124,576 € 🏆 Total Prize Pool: 33,353 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 91,223 € Summary: Only 26.7% of all money collected actually went back to the players. The remaining 73.3% stayed with SportsGamer. And as many of us know, some teams were even offered to skip their prize payout entirely, in exchange for having it deducted from their next season’s license fee. Which, while fair on paper, doesn’t change the percentages above. What SportsGamer Said Themselves Their official statement in the thread said: “Following a later decision that reclassified the licenses under a higher rate, SportsGamer has been required to apply 24–25.5% VAT, which has significantly increased our costs and placed a heavy strain on our finances. In practice, this means that of the total amount paid for licenses, roughly 20% goes to taxes, about 50% to prize payments, and around 30% to operational costs.” So, let’s recalculate using their own explanation. According to Their Claimed Distribution (20% / 50% / 30%) Category Amount (€) Share Total Revenue 124,576 € 100 % Taxes (≈20%) 24,915 € 20 % Prize Money (50%) 62,288 € 50 % Operational Costs (30%) 37,373 € 30 % Total 124,576 € 100 % Comparison Source Total Revenue (€) Prize Pool (€) % to Players Difference Community Estimate 124,576 € 33,353 € 26.7 % — SportsGamer’s Own Claim 124,576 € 62,288 € 50.0 % +23.3 % If we take their numbers at face value, it would mean that half of all collected money went back to players. Which sounds great — except that it clearly didn’t. The official prize pools are nowhere near that. Their own math completely contradicts the public data. Even if we assume 20% VAT was paid (fair enough), that still leaves about 99,660 € within the company. Out of that, according to their statement, 62,288 € should’ve gone to prizes. But the actual amount distributed was 33,353 €. That’s a gap of roughly 28,935 € per season, using their own claimed figures. If their 20 / 50 / 30 split was real: The tax is fine, it’s part of the license cost anyway. The prize pool should’ve been closer to 62,000 €, not 33,000 €. About 29,000 € per season is simply unaccounted for. So the question becomes even more obvious: where did the money go? And when they now say that no salary has been paid to Kenu since December 2024, it raises even more questions. Because if no salary was paid, the money clearly isn’t showing up as prizes, taxes, or operating costs either. As Janikka said perfectly in her post: "have questions about the current organizational or ownership dynamics. A company called Reactio Media is or was somehow involved (as evidenced by the current Twitch account that hosts all the SportsGamer streams). I can't find any pertinent information about the company online, but its owners are involved in various companies whose background information is available." This whole thing didn’t clarify anything , it just made it all look even more suspicious. At this point, the picture being painted is less of a struggling company… and more of a pyramid-shaped business model. I’m not a mathematician, and I’m not an economist. But what’s certain is that the total amount of paid licenses adds up more or less correctly. It’s everything else that doesn’t add up.

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I'd say that you should be able to understand that respectfully was used in jest but chatgpt doesn't really pick up on sarcasm too well eh? Anyway, no I don't know the behind the scenes because I'm not an employee of the company. If I was then having that understanding would be anticipated, however on account of myself making a grand total of 0p over the decade I've been helping out here imma go ahead and say that it's not appropriate for me to have an intimate knowledge of those specifics. Bluntly, it's a valid complaint that people have, and as a tournament organiser (be that person, or company) the absolute zenith of any responsibility should be paying people out their winnings - you'd agree right? Obviously, the 'solution' is to pay out the people who are still not whole, and examine the financials so that something even vaguely similar never happens again - of course equally I don't need to tell you that the horses have kinda bolted before the gate here so any 'solution' is going to be more than a singular action. I'm not part of the ownership though, realistically they're the only ones that can do anything here, and they are the ones that should be responsible to fielding valid questions people have about them.

Respectfully? Let’s not hide behind that word. You don’t need to reply “yass queen slay,” but you could start by acknowledging that players have been waiting years for prize money that was promised and advertised. That’s not drama or opinion, that’s a fact. When you say you don’t know the financial state of SportsGamer, that’s actually part of the problem. You’re an admin for a platform that has repeatedly taken money from its players through license fees, team fees, and sponsor-backed tournaments, yet you admit you don’t know where the money goes. That’s exactly why people are speaking up. This isn’t about guilt, it’s about accountability. The trust that once existed between the community and the platform has been completely broken, and every dismissive or sarcastic reply only widens that gap. You can laugh all you want, but the players, the ones who literally keep your platform alive, aren’t laughing. We’re the reason this community exists in the first place. So no, I don’t want a “yass queen.” I want transparency, responsibility, and for the people who built this scene to stop being treated like they’re disposable.

Good morning everyone, Some of you know me as a former writer and member of the ECL board. You may accuse me of bias, but I hope you’ll also understand that my approach is to say that we are, to some extent, all complicit. I’ve tried to read everyone’s replies to the original message, which raises questions we have indeed been asking ourselves for quite some time. I salute the research and calculations that have been done (greetings to Swamp), just as I salute the messages that seek to understand before condemning. It is indeed necessary to ask SportsGamer and its shareholders to present the accounts and explain what the investment strategy has been and how revenues have been allocated. In fact, the greatest fault we can impute to SportsGamer is failing to uphold its commercial commitments to its users. The rules of the competition have been flouted, therefore the competition itself has been flouted. Anger about the cash prizes is legitimate and irrevocable. Facts are facts. But since the French can sometimes be some pain in the ......., allow me to take on that role. I note that teams and players have not received the cash prizes promised from previous editions that were owed to them. Despite this serious breach of a prior regulatory agreement, these same people chose to keep taking part on the next editions. Why? Naivety? Indifference? Solidarity?....... The lure of gain? It seems that rumors try to show that some players play the ECL in exchange for financial considerations. I have personnaly nothing against that, but it goes against a fundamental economic logic: the e-hockey business doesn’t exist. Did you guys were really surprised when real-life pro teams withdrew their aagreement for esports teams to use their actual brand? Did they see any signals pointing to the lack of an audience and, therefore, to the limited, if not non-existent, incentive to invest effort in a dead-end marketing path? Covid was both the best and the worst thing that happened to esports. It temporarily accelerated esports. Audiences turned to Twitch in the absence of alternatives. Yet this rise was artificial. It fostered a speculative bubble that, regrettably, incentivized naive and avaricious behavior. Then the speculative bubble was born and misled everyone: SportsGamer’s leaders and its users. Well even Formula 1 esport audience is unexisting and we still think ehockey can be a business? Can generate incomes? Can generate pro players payed to play ECL Elite or Pro? And finally, let’s not forget the vast majority of players who come here to play the best 6v6 tournament in the world, the most structured, the most enduring, and the most competitive. Those guys don’t care about cash prizes. Many, like me, knew NHL Gamer in its earlier form, and the way it worked back then suited us just fine. Some teams show up simply for the pleasure of taking part, with no real ambition of winning the tournament (especially when they’re on the central server). I don’t necessarily want SG centralized streams, I don’t necessarily want social platforms, and I don’t want cash prizes either... I just want to play with my friends and have fun. Nothing more. But a promise is a promise, and the announced amounts are owed to the teams and players. This is the very basis of the original deal: pay an entry fee and compete to win cash prizes. SG must settle all amounts owed in full. So… SportsGamer must present its accounts: yes (it seems to be proven that the VAT argument is shaky). SportsGamer must honor its legal commitments: yes (I am, as chairman of an ECL Pro team, among those to whom funds are owed as creditors of SG). Those who dreamed of a life as professional e-hockey players are guilty of their own vanity. This doesn't remove responsibility from SG’s front office and shareholders, for the current situation, but it perhaps distributes the blame somewhat more evenly. With my kind regards Yann, Vitual_Saku

All of you acting like you’re in a scam: just stop. Just like any small business can go bankrupt, so does SportsGamer. If they didn’t succeed in landing big sponsors then it’s extremely hard to maintain profitability when your only cash revenue is license fees & investors pumping money into the system. I can’t blame Kenu & other shareholders for trying to make money with SportsGamer but perhaps a steady cashflow would have needed to be secured in order to do big live events or celebrity live streams. I bet that’s why the license fees have gone straight to the operational costs and not the prize pools. I hope SportsGamer goes back to being an esports platform with small fees to cover operational costs only. Elite teams can play for prize pools if they wish.

Let’s be honest. This isn’t transparency. It’s damage control. SportsGamer has been struggling for years, and it’s not because of Twitch or sponsorships. It’s because of poor management and a lack of honesty. You’ve been collecting license fees from players season after season, while prize payments have been delayed or disappeared altogether. That’s not bad luck. That’s bad leadership. You say that 20% of the money goes to taxes, 50% to prizes, and 30% to operations. If that’s true, then prize pools should already be secured before the tournaments even begin. Instead, it’s obvious that player license fees are being used to pay your ongoing expenses. That means players have been funding your operations, not their own prize pools. And now you talk about seeking external funding to pay off prize money that’s already overdue. No legitimate company does that. If the money was handled properly, there would be no need for investors to cover the gap. It’s clear that the funds have been mismanaged. Then comes the part where you ask the community whether we’d still play if the prize pools were reduced. That’s not a survey. That’s a way to soften the blow before you announce that the money is gone. It’s an attempt to make players feel responsible for your mistakes! At this point, SportsGamer is no longer running as a community platform. It’s running like a pyramid scheme. New license fees pay old debts, management keeps their salary, and when the structure starts collapsing, you try to shift the blame onto the players. This isn’t about delays anymore. It’s about trust and integrity. You built this scene on passion, volunteer work, and player effort. You’ve now used that trust to keep a sinking ship afloat. If you truly care about this community, then prove it. Publish the numbers. Show exactly where the money went. Let the players see what’s real. Until that happens, no team, player, or sponsor should continue supporting SportsGamer. You don’t fix broken trust with surveys or nice words. You fix it by paying what you owe and telling the truth. To the SportsGamer leadership Your statement doesn’t fix the problem, it confirms it. You’ve collected license fees season after season, promised prize pools that were never secured, and now admit to needing external funding to pay players what they’re owed. The community deserves accountability, not vague apologies and PR language. If SportsGamer truly values “transparency,” then publish the books. Show where the license money went. Show the debt. Show the shareholders. Until that happens, no player, sponsor, or organization should continue funding this structure. You don’t get to “survey your way out of accountability.” Pay the winners. Publish the numbers. Or shut it down. // A long-time EHL/ECL player who’s done watching you exploit this community.

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Its really interesting to read these comments about the transparency , who to blaim to , who is what and who is not , facts etc etc. I think everyone is totally in agreement that winnings should be paid fully , right? So lets leave that topic aside. What comes to the current ownership , correct me if im wrong but the brothers who are now in charge have shady past with other companies and finnish law. First thing comes to my mind is background check... Should that been done and have it been done before selling the majority of shares? 2nd thing is mostly my oppinion. Kenu has been in a volunteer "contract" and hasnt recieve any payments. Imo when kenu ran the whole thing when NHLgamer was the name , everything went smoothly , or is it my old memory that fails ? I want to thank kenu deeply for those times and i miss that era. Personal memories are warm and sterng from there with all the commentary "jobs" with kenu and arttu and also other great people that i had the pleasure to work. 3rd thing that weighs on my head is financial things. So if its the case that community calculation are in fact correct , it raises so many questions that should be anwered. Where all the money went that was left after the costs... Because this community isnt stupid. The only way to solve that question is to give people the answer that they so urgently need. Where is our money going that we have paid to sportsgamer and their owners. The concerns of the community that falls around the current ownerships agenda and money usage is totally legit. And that needs to be answered. The reason for those concerns comes the history of the current ownerships , and that history makes these demands fair and reasonable imo. And my last opinion is going to be this. As hard it can be , lets try to keep conversation respectful , even it feels like really hard thing to do with all these things still not to be answered.

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The only way for SG to gain any trust nor respect our of this is to; 1) Arrange any unpaid prize money to be paid And the most important one; 2) Transparency, facts, everything about where the money went, where did it go wrong, what happened? What people want is not words, but "receipts", breakdowns of money gained, where it went and was used. If SG can't provide or doesn't want to provide these facts, then they are hiding the numbers for one or more reasons, which is a shameful look on the corp(?).

Appreciate the civil tone, finally a reply that doesn’t sound like it was typed mid meltdown. But let’s be honest. If a company continuously takes money from players, promises prize pools, and then fails to deliver year after year, that’s not bad business. That’s business gone bad. You can wrap it in fancy terms like cashflow issues or unlucky timing, but at the end of the day, people paid for a product and didn’t get what they were promised. If a company can’t handle that responsibility, it shouldn’t be selling licenses or hosting tournaments. And please, spare the government tax increase sob story. We’re not talking about a bakery that couldn’t afford flour, we’re talking about an organization that has pocketed tens of thousands of euros from a paying player base, then gone silent when it’s time to pay out. So yes, you might have a BBA, and that’s great. But you don’t need a degree in international business to recognize when the books don’t balance. You just need a bit of common sense and a moral compass that points somewhere other than excuse management.

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This is a great post, full stop. Valid questions and research all around and count me in amongst those who would like to know the answers. One thing I would like to note is that sometimes with these things (companies in financial difficulty etc.), there are binding contracts (including NDAs) that prevent people within the company/organization from speaking out on certain topics or providing full transparency. I have no idea what the situation is in this particular case, just something to keep in mind as we await further communication and clarification.

Is this situation even legal? I would assume no (obviously). if they can ban players for breaking the rules, they should also face consequences when they break their own rules and the law.

Thank you for your openness and honesty, but I have many questions running through my mind. Who are these shareholders? The company’s board includes the same people who can be found online linked to several other companies, such as Sportsgamer, Pureevents, Street Games, etc. Why haven’t the “owners” paid salaries or agreed compensations to the employees? Why should we, as a community, pay the debts of very questionable owners? I would really appreciate an honest explanation of this situation. Right now, everything looks very suspicious. I’m sorry for being so blunt. I truly appreciate you, Kenu, and I’m grateful for everything you’ve done for the community, but sometimes we just have to face the facts. I don’t know whose responsibility this is, but I strongly recommend fixing the financial situation before asking the community for more money or alternatively, turning the whole ECL into a free service with a small participation fee, like €5 per person. No prize money should be awarded until the finances are clearly in order. At the moment, it feels like you’re asking the community to pay off a debt that has accumulated over the years, and that’s simply not right. I’m not blaming anyone personally, but the whole ownership situation seems very shady right now.

I have questions about the current organizational or ownership dynamics. A company called Reactio Media is or was somehow involved (as evidenced by the current Twitch account that hosts all the SportsGamer streams). I can't find any pertinent information about the company online, but its owners are involved in various companies whose background information is available. https://www.proff.fi/yrityksen/sports-gamer-oy/espoo/kuntosalit-ja-muu-urheilu/3192899-5I10L8 Here is some information on SportsGamer where we find those two names, the Salutskijs, that are involved in various companies, including SportsGamer today. Before I pay for any license or other fees to anyone, I want full transparency on the ownership. Who are these guys? What exactly does their involvement in SportsGamer entail? Some of the companies they are involved in have notably high turnover rates (which in no way guarantees that these companies are profitable, of course, but it's an interesting detail). Is some of the money SportsGamer collects from the community going to the Salutskijs somehow, despite your financial breakdown in the official update? Have the Salutskijs contributed to the finances of SportsGamer at any point? https://pureevents.fi/ota-yhteytta/ I also found this, a company called Pure Events. Perhaps formerly known as Reactio Media? The contact page includes the Salutskijs and some people who are much more familiar to us here on SportsGamer. So, my attempted sleuthing is all over the place, as you can see. I'm just confused about the big picture. I am not leveling any accusations. I just want information. What's going on behind the scenes?

Propably the most important thing is that you pay all the missing prize money to the players who deserve them before you start begging for more license payments. Or is the business model to pay last season's prize money from next season's license fees? If so, seems to be working great 😃

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