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Good morning everyone, Some of you know me as a former writer and member of the ECL board. You may accuse me of bias, but I hope you’ll also understand that my approach is to say that we are, to some extent, all complicit. I’ve tried to read everyone’s replies to the original message, which raises questions we have indeed been asking ourselves for quite some time. I salute the research and calculations that have been done (greetings to Swamp), just as I salute the messages that seek to understand before condemning. It is indeed necessary to ask SportsGamer and its shareholders to present the accounts and explain what the investment strategy has been and how revenues have been allocated. In fact, the greatest fault we can impute to SportsGamer is failing to uphold its commercial commitments to its users. The rules of the competition have been flouted, therefore the competition itself has been flouted. Anger about the cash prizes is legitimate and irrevocable. Facts are facts. But since the French can sometimes be some pain in the ......., allow me to take on that role. I note that teams and players have not received the cash prizes promised from previous editions that were owed to them. Despite this serious breach of a prior regulatory agreement, these same people chose to keep taking part on the next editions. Why? Naivety? Indifference? Solidarity?....... The lure of gain? It seems that rumors try to show that some players play the ECL in exchange for financial considerations. I have personnaly nothing against that, but it goes against a fundamental economic logic: the e-hockey business doesn’t exist. Did you guys were really surprised when real-life pro teams withdrew their aagreement for esports teams to use their actual brand? Did they see any signals pointing to the lack of an audience and, therefore, to the limited, if not non-existent, incentive to invest effort in a dead-end marketing path? Covid was both the best and the worst thing that happened to esports. It temporarily accelerated esports. Audiences turned to Twitch in the absence of alternatives. Yet this rise was artificial. It fostered a speculative bubble that, regrettably, incentivized naive and avaricious behavior. Then the speculative bubble was born and misled everyone: SportsGamer’s leaders and its users. Well even Formula 1 esport audience is unexisting and we still think ehockey can be a business? Can generate incomes? Can generate pro players payed to play ECL Elite or Pro? And finally, let’s not forget the vast majority of players who come here to play the best 6v6 tournament in the world, the most structured, the most enduring, and the most competitive. Those guys don’t care about cash prizes. Many, like me, knew NHL Gamer in its earlier form, and the way it worked back then suited us just fine. Some teams show up simply for the pleasure of taking part, with no real ambition of winning the tournament (especially when they’re on the central server). I don’t necessarily want SG centralized streams, I don’t necessarily want social platforms, and I don’t want cash prizes either... I just want to play with my friends and have fun. Nothing more. But a promise is a promise, and the announced amounts are owed to the teams and players. This is the very basis of the original deal: pay an entry fee and compete to win cash prizes. SG must settle all amounts owed in full. So… SportsGamer must present its accounts: yes (it seems to be proven that the VAT argument is shaky). SportsGamer must honor its legal commitments: yes (I am, as chairman of an ECL Pro team, among those to whom funds are owed as creditors of SG). Those who dreamed of a life as professional e-hockey players are guilty of their own vanity. This doesn't remove responsibility from SG’s front office and shareholders, for the current situation, but it perhaps distributes the blame somewhat more evenly. With my kind regards Yann, Vitual_Saku

This calculation has been around the community for a while. From what I remember, it was based on the license setup and pricing during NHL 24, using the actual number of teams per division that year. It also includes both Winter and Spring seasons, plus the officially announced prize pools. 💰 Original Community Estimate Elite 💳 Player Licenses: 6 players × 16 teams × 40 € = 3,840 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 16 teams × 1,000 € = 16,000 € 💰 Total Revenue: 19,840 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 18,920 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 920 € Pro 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 32 teams × 40 € = 10,240 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 32 teams × 700 € = 22,400 € 💰 Total Revenue: 32,640 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 6,192 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 26,448 € Lite 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 64 teams × 40 € = 20,480 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 64 teams × 400 € = 25,600 € 💰 Total Revenue: 46,080 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 6,261 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 39,819 € Core 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 48 teams × 40 € = 15,360 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 48 teams × 222 € = 10,656 € 💰 Total Revenue: 26,016 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 1,980 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 24,036 € Total (Top 4 Divisions) 💰 Total Revenue: 124,576 € 🏆 Total Prize Pool: 33,353 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 91,223 € Summary: Only 26.7% of all money collected actually went back to the players. The remaining 73.3% stayed with SportsGamer. And as many of us know, some teams were even offered to skip their prize payout entirely, in exchange for having it deducted from their next season’s license fee. Which, while fair on paper, doesn’t change the percentages above. What SportsGamer Said Themselves Their official statement in the thread said: “Following a later decision that reclassified the licenses under a higher rate, SportsGamer has been required to apply 24–25.5% VAT, which has significantly increased our costs and placed a heavy strain on our finances. In practice, this means that of the total amount paid for licenses, roughly 20% goes to taxes, about 50% to prize payments, and around 30% to operational costs.” So, let’s recalculate using their own explanation. According to Their Claimed Distribution (20% / 50% / 30%) Category Amount (€) Share Total Revenue 124,576 € 100 % Taxes (≈20%) 24,915 € 20 % Prize Money (50%) 62,288 € 50 % Operational Costs (30%) 37,373 € 30 % Total 124,576 € 100 % Comparison Source Total Revenue (€) Prize Pool (€) % to Players Difference Community Estimate 124,576 € 33,353 € 26.7 % — SportsGamer’s Own Claim 124,576 € 62,288 € 50.0 % +23.3 % If we take their numbers at face value, it would mean that half of all collected money went back to players. Which sounds great — except that it clearly didn’t. The official prize pools are nowhere near that. Their own math completely contradicts the public data. Even if we assume 20% VAT was paid (fair enough), that still leaves about 99,660 € within the company. Out of that, according to their statement, 62,288 € should’ve gone to prizes. But the actual amount distributed was 33,353 €. That’s a gap of roughly 28,935 € per season, using their own claimed figures. If their 20 / 50 / 30 split was real: The tax is fine, it’s part of the license cost anyway. The prize pool should’ve been closer to 62,000 €, not 33,000 €. About 29,000 € per season is simply unaccounted for. So the question becomes even more obvious: where did the money go? And when they now say that no salary has been paid to Kenu since December 2024, it raises even more questions. Because if no salary was paid, the money clearly isn’t showing up as prizes, taxes, or operating costs either. As Janikka said perfectly in her post: "have questions about the current organizational or ownership dynamics. A company called Reactio Media is or was somehow involved (as evidenced by the current Twitch account that hosts all the SportsGamer streams). I can't find any pertinent information about the company online, but its owners are involved in various companies whose background information is available." This whole thing didn’t clarify anything , it just made it all look even more suspicious. At this point, the picture being painted is less of a struggling company… and more of a pyramid-shaped business model. I’m not a mathematician, and I’m not an economist. But what’s certain is that the total amount of paid licenses adds up more or less correctly. It’s everything else that doesn’t add up.

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Feels like some people think that this negative feedback is useless and that we are complaining unnecessarily here. First of all, Kenu has done an amazing job and really helped our community. Without Kenu, we would never have had such wonderful tournaments. The real issue isnt with Kenu at all, it’s with the company leaders who need to step up and take responsibility of this situation. Who are these people who run the company? Are they gamers in this community or complete strangers who just bought Sportsgamer? Kenu´s name cannot be even found in Sportsgamers company information: https://www.asiakastieto.fi/yritykset/fi/sports-gamer-oy/31928995/paattajat That website states that these current owners took control of the company in November 2023 so is it a coincidence that the financial statements for 2023 and 2024 are missing? I was trying to search information about these guys, i cant deny that now i feel even more suspicious.

Good points @Virtual_Saku It is not as simple as it might look. But I think the full reveal of where the money has gone should be done by Sportsgamer owners and those in charge of accounting. And those players entitled to their prize money should get them. And because limited companies - like Sportsgamer is - should send their financial statements every financial year to PRH as a public documents. Sportsgamer has not done that in terms of financial years 2023 and 2024. Those financial statements should have been public ages ago: 2023 public during year 2024 and last years statement earlier this year. This is serious matter. Sportsgamer should send those reports to PRH immediately. That is regulation in Finnish limited company law. I hope all this will clear out in satisfactory way. But however, this has already damaged seriously trust how things are handled here by the owners of Sportsgamer.

Ah, finally, the Einsteins have arrived. Always fascinating how the self-proclaimed business experts show up the moment someone mentions accountability. Let’s make this simple. The issue isn’t about understanding business models, it’s about a company that doesn’t pay out prize money that players have rightfully earned. That’s not a cashflow issue, that’s a breach of trust. If you buy a lottery ticket and win, you expect your winnings. You don’t expect to wait twelve months and be told to be patient because the organizer spent your money somewhere else. What you’re describing isn’t business, it’s mismanagement dressed up as martyrdom. “Thousands of free hours,” “small business struggles,” “support the community”… it’s the same emotional violin every time. Meanwhile, players who paid to participate are left with nothing but excuses. So please, spare us the hero speech. This isn’t a charity, it’s a paid competition. And when the house stops paying out, it stops being a game —> it becomes a scam

It has now been several months — in some cases nearly a full year — and yet many teams and players have still not received their prize pool payments. This delay is completely unacceptable and must be addressed immediately. (Reason we got first not sure what it is now) international payment processing is not a valid excuse in this day and age. Transfers of this nature can be handled efficiently and securely within days using modern platforms. Suggesting otherwise only raises more questions about the handling of funds and organizational transparency. calling for a public update that includes: A detailed breakdown of the prize pool status for all affected teams. Clear payment timelines for each party. A real explanation of the delays — not vague references to "international issues." Prize pool payments are not a courtesy — they are contractual obligations. The continued silence or vague communication on this matter damages trust across the community and sets a dangerous precedent for future events. This situation demands accountability. We urge you to take it seriously and respond accordingly. I

Hey everyone. Emergency backup goalie looking for a team for this new season PSN Novichok_3 Pos Goalie (preferred role is backup goalie) My Psn before was McCormick_Kenny_. I have got some seasons in ecl as well before, I can speak English and swear in Italian.

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According to the limited company law every limited company should have shareholder list and it should be available to anyone if requested. In Finland operating limited company is (should be) visible so there are many regulations these companies must obey. Shareholder list is one of them and also publishing the finacial statement annually to PRH for available to everyone who are interested in it. Sports Gamer Oy is breaking now at least one regulation which is that the financial statements are not public for past two years.

You can download kaupparekisteriote from https://virre.prh.fi/novus/home?execution=e1s2 the same place where supposed to be company´s financial statements available too. From kaupparekisteriote you can see all the members of the board and CEO´s name (if company has CEO, small companies don´t need one according to regulations). Those members of the board and CEO are necessarily not the same who are shareholders of the company but usually in small businesses they are the same. But as a member of the board and CEO you don´t have to own any shares to be there. I must say that I agree that this Sportsgamer issue is real suspicious now especially when there are no 2023-2024 financial reports available in public. I also not blame Kenu who has done great job in Sportsgamer throughout years. Problem is elsewhere. The general operation of Sports Gamer Oy is suspicious and needs to be revealed throughly.

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PLEASE! NEED HELP! Hello everyone, dear players of this site. I'd like to ask a question not only to the administrators but to all users of this site. As you know, registration starts very soon, followed by the championship for the new ECL season. Like any other player, I must purchase a player's license to participate and play. However, I live in a country that has been subject to a number of sanctions, including the transfer of currency to European banks. I don't have any cryptocurrency—indeed, I don't even understand what it is or how to do anything with it. This is something new and confusing for me. For the first time in almost two years, I've been invited to play on a team. And I love everything there. I really want to experience the excitement of playing in the ECL Championship again. I don't have any old friends living in Europe, so I don't know how to pay for my participation. Please help me with advice on how to do this. I really want to play. Since the game's release, I've played for many teams. And I'm grateful to everyone for giving me the chance to play with them. Money is available—money is no problem. Payments to European banks are not possible. Or will the championship game in this part be closed to me again, and I will lose the opportunity to play in the best European championship in the world?

I want to be clear: I fully respect what Kenu has done and continues to do for the NHL community. That work shouldn’t be overlooked. However, the ongoing delays in prize pool payouts raise legitimate concerns. In this space, transparency is key, especially when it involves players' trust and financial matters. Having worked in this area for a while, I’m not speaking out of turn — I understand how these processes typically work. My intention isn’t to attack or accuse anyone personally, and this isn’t the place for that anyway. All I’m asking for is clarity around the delays. If there’s a valid reason, a straightforward explanation would go a long way in maintaining goodwill within the community.

more u speak, less intelligent u seem to me, so please continue, i have my popcorn`s ready, unlike u, yes i understand your point and ye it sucks when u dont get your money, but its not like KENU has nice house in Espoo westend or hit all the money in his sleeve and scam us all to make himself smth :DD but like we have seen years now here in internet that some certain idealogic is that u YELL everyone else shut up on only ONE truth and opinion is correct, so yeah keep yelling same thing after n after to make it your truth, Einstein has LEFT THE BUILDING

thats true, most of the people crying here dont have a fukin clue how business model works, and how small is business if u make about 100k after taxes, even if u make millions or hundreds millions u can bankrupt easily if cashflow is empty, KENU has done FOR US thousands hours free label to make us cry babes happy, sure desperate ppl makes desperate moves, but it is so easy to shout here after things go wrong, in small business only one bad move or risk with money can bankrupt u, and does ppl really thinks that maintance is free, everything cost smth, and when u are small, u really cant pay much ppl for content here in website example etc... I THANK KENU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAVE ENABLE US THIS HOBBY FOR YEARS n YEARS, every hobby cost smth, this is hobby not smth u earn your living... instead hitting man on the ground lets support community which has give us so much past 15y... TACK OCH HEJ !!!

My pronouns are he/him. But thanks for the compliment and for breaking down the numbers like you just did.

LA can just make a poll here for 1-2 weeks. Let’s say have every ability as an option there and everyone gets to vote for each one of them to be banned or not banned. LA can then make their decision based on these poll results. For example if 3-4 abilities rose clearly above others in the voting then ban those. It’s not a perfect solution. But it’s pretty close to the best one available. I have my own opinions on which abilities should be banned (truc, unstoppable etc), but once there’s an official decision made (especially by voting like this) I would have nothing to complain about it, even if it wouldn’t align with my own preference.

This is a great post, full stop. Valid questions and research all around and count me in amongst those who would like to know the answers. One thing I would like to note is that sometimes with these things (companies in financial difficulty etc.), there are binding contracts (including NDAs) that prevent people within the company/organization from speaking out on certain topics or providing full transparency. I have no idea what the situation is in this particular case, just something to keep in mind as we await further communication and clarification.

All of you acting like you’re in a scam: just stop. Just like any small business can go bankrupt, so does SportsGamer. If they didn’t succeed in landing big sponsors then it’s extremely hard to maintain profitability when your only cash revenue is license fees & investors pumping money into the system. I can’t blame Kenu & other shareholders for trying to make money with SportsGamer but perhaps a steady cashflow would have needed to be secured in order to do big live events or celebrity live streams. I bet that’s why the license fees have gone straight to the operational costs and not the prize pools. I hope SportsGamer goes back to being an esports platform with small fees to cover operational costs only. Elite teams can play for prize pools if they wish.

I have questions about the current organizational or ownership dynamics. A company called Reactio Media is or was somehow involved (as evidenced by the current Twitch account that hosts all the SportsGamer streams). I can't find any pertinent information about the company online, but its owners are involved in various companies whose background information is available. https://www.proff.fi/yrityksen/sports-gamer-oy/espoo/kuntosalit-ja-muu-urheilu/3192899-5I10L8 Here is some information on SportsGamer where we find those two names, the Salutskijs, that are involved in various companies, including SportsGamer today. Before I pay for any license or other fees to anyone, I want full transparency on the ownership. Who are these guys? What exactly does their involvement in SportsGamer entail? Some of the companies they are involved in have notably high turnover rates (which in no way guarantees that these companies are profitable, of course, but it's an interesting detail). Is some of the money SportsGamer collects from the community going to the Salutskijs somehow, despite your financial breakdown in the official update? Have the Salutskijs contributed to the finances of SportsGamer at any point? https://pureevents.fi/ota-yhteytta/ I also found this, a company called Pure Events. Perhaps formerly known as Reactio Media? The contact page includes the Salutskijs and some people who are much more familiar to us here on SportsGamer. So, my attempted sleuthing is all over the place, as you can see. I'm just confused about the big picture. I am not leveling any accusations. I just want information. What's going on behind the scenes?

Propably the most important thing is that you pay all the missing prize money to the players who deserve them before you start begging for more license payments. Or is the business model to pay last season's prize money from next season's license fees? If so, seems to be working great 😃

Mayby you ask chat gbt what to do

Let’s be honest. This isn’t transparency. It’s damage control. SportsGamer has been struggling for years, and it’s not because of Twitch or sponsorships. It’s because of poor management and a lack of honesty. You’ve been collecting license fees from players season after season, while prize payments have been delayed or disappeared altogether. That’s not bad luck. That’s bad leadership. You say that 20% of the money goes to taxes, 50% to prizes, and 30% to operations. If that’s true, then prize pools should already be secured before the tournaments even begin. Instead, it’s obvious that player license fees are being used to pay your ongoing expenses. That means players have been funding your operations, not their own prize pools. And now you talk about seeking external funding to pay off prize money that’s already overdue. No legitimate company does that. If the money was handled properly, there would be no need for investors to cover the gap. It’s clear that the funds have been mismanaged. Then comes the part where you ask the community whether we’d still play if the prize pools were reduced. That’s not a survey. That’s a way to soften the blow before you announce that the money is gone. It’s an attempt to make players feel responsible for your mistakes! At this point, SportsGamer is no longer running as a community platform. It’s running like a pyramid scheme. New license fees pay old debts, management keeps their salary, and when the structure starts collapsing, you try to shift the blame onto the players. This isn’t about delays anymore. It’s about trust and integrity. You built this scene on passion, volunteer work, and player effort. You’ve now used that trust to keep a sinking ship afloat. If you truly care about this community, then prove it. Publish the numbers. Show exactly where the money went. Let the players see what’s real. Until that happens, no team, player, or sponsor should continue supporting SportsGamer. You don’t fix broken trust with surveys or nice words. You fix it by paying what you owe and telling the truth. To the SportsGamer leadership Your statement doesn’t fix the problem, it confirms it. You’ve collected license fees season after season, promised prize pools that were never secured, and now admit to needing external funding to pay players what they’re owed. The community deserves accountability, not vague apologies and PR language. If SportsGamer truly values “transparency,” then publish the books. Show where the license money went. Show the debt. Show the shareholders. Until that happens, no player, sponsor, or organization should continue funding this structure. You don’t get to “survey your way out of accountability.” Pay the winners. Publish the numbers. Or shut it down. // A long-time EHL/ECL player who’s done watching you exploit this community.

Here we go again.. I have had a rough start with choosing the wrong team in this game. But after some good goalkeeping coaching from my man Brainrovsky, I think it’s time for me to play goalie. Motivated Swede 32years old, speaking good sweinglish and really love to play this game. I can play 6 days a week cause I always working one night. Looking for a team to fight for the first position as G. My Discord is kabbe1992. Cheers

Purification looking for start G We're looking for a starting goalkeeper for the upcoming PRO qualifiers. Our goal is to be a top team in PRO next season, and we're building a competitive roster to make that happen. If you're interested, feel free to DM "LaxenHD" or Discord or send a message here on SportsGamer. If I don’t respond, you can also DM "Veronneau_" on Discord.

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