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Let’s be honest. This isn’t transparency. It’s damage control. SportsGamer has been struggling for years, and it’s not because of Twitch or sponsorships. It’s because of poor management and a lack of honesty. You’ve been collecting license fees from players season after season, while prize payments have been delayed or disappeared altogether. That’s not bad luck. That’s bad leadership. You say that 20% of the money goes to taxes, 50% to prizes, and 30% to operations. If that’s true, then prize pools should already be secured before the tournaments even begin. Instead, it’s obvious that player license fees are being used to pay your ongoing expenses. That means players have been funding your operations, not their own prize pools. And now you talk about seeking external funding to pay off prize money that’s already overdue. No legitimate company does that. If the money was handled properly, there would be no need for investors to cover the gap. It’s clear that the funds have been mismanaged. Then comes the part where you ask the community whether we’d still play if the prize pools were reduced. That’s not a survey. That’s a way to soften the blow before you announce that the money is gone. It’s an attempt to make players feel responsible for your mistakes! At this point, SportsGamer is no longer running as a community platform. It’s running like a pyramid scheme. New license fees pay old debts, management keeps their salary, and when the structure starts collapsing, you try to shift the blame onto the players. This isn’t about delays anymore. It’s about trust and integrity. You built this scene on passion, volunteer work, and player effort. You’ve now used that trust to keep a sinking ship afloat. If you truly care about this community, then prove it. Publish the numbers. Show exactly where the money went. Let the players see what’s real. Until that happens, no team, player, or sponsor should continue supporting SportsGamer. You don’t fix broken trust with surveys or nice words. You fix it by paying what you owe and telling the truth. To the SportsGamer leadership Your statement doesn’t fix the problem, it confirms it. You’ve collected license fees season after season, promised prize pools that were never secured, and now admit to needing external funding to pay players what they’re owed. The community deserves accountability, not vague apologies and PR language. If SportsGamer truly values “transparency,” then publish the books. Show where the license money went. Show the debt. Show the shareholders. Until that happens, no player, sponsor, or organization should continue funding this structure. You don’t get to “survey your way out of accountability.” Pay the winners. Publish the numbers. Or shut it down. // A long-time EHL/ECL player who’s done watching you exploit this community.

This calculation has been around the community for a while. From what I remember, it was based on the license setup and pricing during NHL 24, using the actual number of teams per division that year. It also includes both Winter and Spring seasons, plus the officially announced prize pools. 💰 Original Community Estimate Elite 💳 Player Licenses: 6 players × 16 teams × 40 € = 3,840 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 16 teams × 1,000 € = 16,000 € 💰 Total Revenue: 19,840 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 18,920 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 920 € Pro 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 32 teams × 40 € = 10,240 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 32 teams × 700 € = 22,400 € 💰 Total Revenue: 32,640 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 6,192 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 26,448 € Lite 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 64 teams × 40 € = 20,480 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 64 teams × 400 € = 25,600 € 💰 Total Revenue: 46,080 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 6,261 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 39,819 € Core 💳 Player Licenses: 8 players × 48 teams × 40 € = 15,360 € 🏒 Team Licenses: 48 teams × 222 € = 10,656 € 💰 Total Revenue: 26,016 € 🏆 Prize Pool: 1,980 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 24,036 € Total (Top 4 Divisions) 💰 Total Revenue: 124,576 € 🏆 Total Prize Pool: 33,353 € 📈 SportsGamer Profit: 91,223 € Summary: Only 26.7% of all money collected actually went back to the players. The remaining 73.3% stayed with SportsGamer. And as many of us know, some teams were even offered to skip their prize payout entirely, in exchange for having it deducted from their next season’s license fee. Which, while fair on paper, doesn’t change the percentages above. What SportsGamer Said Themselves Their official statement in the thread said: “Following a later decision that reclassified the licenses under a higher rate, SportsGamer has been required to apply 24–25.5% VAT, which has significantly increased our costs and placed a heavy strain on our finances. In practice, this means that of the total amount paid for licenses, roughly 20% goes to taxes, about 50% to prize payments, and around 30% to operational costs.” So, let’s recalculate using their own explanation. According to Their Claimed Distribution (20% / 50% / 30%) Category Amount (€) Share Total Revenue 124,576 € 100 % Taxes (≈20%) 24,915 € 20 % Prize Money (50%) 62,288 € 50 % Operational Costs (30%) 37,373 € 30 % Total 124,576 € 100 % Comparison Source Total Revenue (€) Prize Pool (€) % to Players Difference Community Estimate 124,576 € 33,353 € 26.7 % — SportsGamer’s Own Claim 124,576 € 62,288 € 50.0 % +23.3 % If we take their numbers at face value, it would mean that half of all collected money went back to players. Which sounds great — except that it clearly didn’t. The official prize pools are nowhere near that. Their own math completely contradicts the public data. Even if we assume 20% VAT was paid (fair enough), that still leaves about 99,660 € within the company. Out of that, according to their statement, 62,288 € should’ve gone to prizes. But the actual amount distributed was 33,353 €. That’s a gap of roughly 28,935 € per season, using their own claimed figures. If their 20 / 50 / 30 split was real: The tax is fine, it’s part of the license cost anyway. The prize pool should’ve been closer to 62,000 €, not 33,000 €. About 29,000 € per season is simply unaccounted for. So the question becomes even more obvious: where did the money go? And when they now say that no salary has been paid to Kenu since December 2024, it raises even more questions. Because if no salary was paid, the money clearly isn’t showing up as prizes, taxes, or operating costs either. As Janikka said perfectly in her post: "have questions about the current organizational or ownership dynamics. A company called Reactio Media is or was somehow involved (as evidenced by the current Twitch account that hosts all the SportsGamer streams). I can't find any pertinent information about the company online, but its owners are involved in various companies whose background information is available." This whole thing didn’t clarify anything , it just made it all look even more suspicious. At this point, the picture being painted is less of a struggling company… and more of a pyramid-shaped business model. I’m not a mathematician, and I’m not an economist. But what’s certain is that the total amount of paid licenses adds up more or less correctly. It’s everything else that doesn’t add up.

I have questions about the current organizational or ownership dynamics. A company called Reactio Media is or was somehow involved (as evidenced by the current Twitch account that hosts all the SportsGamer streams). I can't find any pertinent information about the company online, but its owners are involved in various companies whose background information is available. https://www.proff.fi/yrityksen/sports-gamer-oy/espoo/kuntosalit-ja-muu-urheilu/3192899-5I10L8 Here is some information on SportsGamer where we find those two names, the Salutskijs, that are involved in various companies, including SportsGamer today. Before I pay for any license or other fees to anyone, I want full transparency on the ownership. Who are these guys? What exactly does their involvement in SportsGamer entail? Some of the companies they are involved in have notably high turnover rates (which in no way guarantees that these companies are profitable, of course, but it's an interesting detail). Is some of the money SportsGamer collects from the community going to the Salutskijs somehow, despite your financial breakdown in the official update? Have the Salutskijs contributed to the finances of SportsGamer at any point? https://pureevents.fi/ota-yhteytta/ I also found this, a company called Pure Events. Perhaps formerly known as Reactio Media? The contact page includes the Salutskijs and some people who are much more familiar to us here on SportsGamer. So, my attempted sleuthing is all over the place, as you can see. I'm just confused about the big picture. I am not leveling any accusations. I just want information. What's going on behind the scenes?

Thank you for your openness and honesty, but I have many questions running through my mind. Who are these shareholders? The company’s board includes the same people who can be found online linked to several other companies, such as Sportsgamer, Pureevents, Street Games, etc. Why haven’t the “owners” paid salaries or agreed compensations to the employees? Why should we, as a community, pay the debts of very questionable owners? I would really appreciate an honest explanation of this situation. Right now, everything looks very suspicious. I’m sorry for being so blunt. I truly appreciate you, Kenu, and I’m grateful for everything you’ve done for the community, but sometimes we just have to face the facts. I don’t know whose responsibility this is, but I strongly recommend fixing the financial situation before asking the community for more money or alternatively, turning the whole ECL into a free service with a small participation fee, like €5 per person. No prize money should be awarded until the finances are clearly in order. At the moment, it feels like you’re asking the community to pay off a debt that has accumulated over the years, and that’s simply not right. I’m not blaming anyone personally, but the whole ownership situation seems very shady right now.

Dear players, We just sent this by email to all ECL ’25 players, but wanted to share it here as well so everyone can see the full update. Our Journey and the Current Challenge Over the past decade, the ECL and the SportsGamer community have grown from a small group of passionate players into one of the world’s leading competitive NHL communities. We’ve shared unforgettable seasons, built friendships across borders, and created something truly special together. Today, we need to talk openly about challenges that now threaten the sustainability of that work — and what we can do together to secure its future. SportsGamer’s leadership team recently met to address the company’s financial situation and ongoing cash-flow challenges. While day-to-day operations are managed internally by Kenneth Lehtinen, financial and strategic decisions are made collectively by the company’s shareholders. What’s Affecting SportsGamer and the ECL Over the past three years, SportsGamer has faced a difficult operating environment, and unfortunately, our business has not been profitable. The overall cost of running events and maintaining operations has increased, while revenue opportunities — particularly sponsorships and streaming support — have decreased. One of the main challenges to the profitability of the ECL has been a tax ruling regarding the VAT rate applied to player licenses. VAT, or value-added tax, is a government sales tax added on top of the license fee that we are required to collect and pay to the Finnish Tax Administration. For several years, player licenses were invoiced at a 10% VAT rate, based on earlier guidance from the Finnish Tax Administration. Following a later decision that reclassified the licenses under a higher rate, SportsGamer has been required to apply 24–25.5% VAT, which has significantly increased our costs and placed a heavy strain on our finances. In practice, this means that of the total amount paid for licenses, roughly 20% goes to taxes, about 50% to prize payments, and around 30% to operational costs. In addition, a weakened market and the continued difficulty of securing sponsorships have further contributed to the situation. The streaming landscape has also changed significantly. Our long-standing cooperation with Twitch, which previously provided strong support for the ECL broadcasts, has shifted in recent years. Overall viewership across NHL content has also declined. These changes have made it more challenging to attract partners around our broadcasts, and we are now exploring alternative ways to deliver value for potential sponsors and the community alike. What We’re Doing About It Despite these challenges, the leadership team has decided to continue operations, with the goal of bringing all financial obligations up to date — including the delayed ECL prize payments. Several cost-saving measures and internal restructurings have already been implemented, which have unfortunately affected the resources available. These measures include ending COO Kenneth Lehtinen’s employment. Since then, he has continued to support operations voluntarily. No payments have been made to him since December 2024, and the company’s other shareholders have not received any salaries or compensation at any point during SportsGamer’s operations. We recognize the frustration that delays can cause, and we believe that open communication about our situation is the most responsible path forward. We are personally reaching out to all parties with pending payments to provide updates and agree on next steps. The company is also seeking external funding to help stabilize operations and ensure continuity. How You Can Help Shape the Future To ensure the long-term sustainability of both SportsGamer and the ECL, we must explore all possible savings. The most significant immediate potential adjustment lies in the size of future prize pools. We kindly ask you to share your thoughts by completing the short survey below. In particular, we want to know whether you would continue to participate in the ECL if license fees remain the same but prize pools are reduced for the 2026 seasons, as well as which elements of the ECL you value the most. 👉 [Click here to access the survey] We’ll begin reviewing the feedback after 5 days of submissions, so we encourage you to share your thoughts by then if possible. Your feedback will play a crucial role in shaping the future of the ECL and determining whether it can continue to operate in its current form. We also welcome members of the community who wish to contribute their time or skills toward supporting future seasons. If you’re interested in volunteering, please reach out to us — every bit of help can make a difference as we work to stabilize and strengthen the ECL for the future. Thank you for your understanding, honesty, and continued support. Sincerely, SportsGamer Leadership Team

All of you acting like you’re in a scam: just stop. Just like any small business can go bankrupt, so does SportsGamer. If they didn’t succeed in landing big sponsors then it’s extremely hard to maintain profitability when your only cash revenue is license fees & investors pumping money into the system. I can’t blame Kenu & other shareholders for trying to make money with SportsGamer but perhaps a steady cashflow would have needed to be secured in order to do big live events or celebrity live streams. I bet that’s why the license fees have gone straight to the operational costs and not the prize pools. I hope SportsGamer goes back to being an esports platform with small fees to cover operational costs only. Elite teams can play for prize pools if they wish.

I want to be clear: I fully respect what Kenu has done and continues to do for the NHL community. That work shouldn’t be overlooked. However, the ongoing delays in prize pool payouts raise legitimate concerns. In this space, transparency is key, especially when it involves players' trust and financial matters. Having worked in this area for a while, I’m not speaking out of turn — I understand how these processes typically work. My intention isn’t to attack or accuse anyone personally, and this isn’t the place for that anyway. All I’m asking for is clarity around the delays. If there’s a valid reason, a straightforward explanation would go a long way in maintaining goodwill within the community.

This is a great post, full stop. Valid questions and research all around and count me in amongst those who would like to know the answers. One thing I would like to note is that sometimes with these things (companies in financial difficulty etc.), there are binding contracts (including NDAs) that prevent people within the company/organization from speaking out on certain topics or providing full transparency. I have no idea what the situation is in this particular case, just something to keep in mind as we await further communication and clarification.

thats true, most of the people crying here dont have a fukin clue how business model works, and how small is business if u make about 100k after taxes, even if u make millions or hundreds millions u can bankrupt easily if cashflow is empty, KENU has done FOR US thousands hours free label to make us cry babes happy, sure desperate ppl makes desperate moves, but it is so easy to shout here after things go wrong, in small business only one bad move or risk with money can bankrupt u, and does ppl really thinks that maintance is free, everything cost smth, and when u are small, u really cant pay much ppl for content here in website example etc... I THANK KENU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAVE ENABLE US THIS HOBBY FOR YEARS n YEARS, every hobby cost smth, this is hobby not smth u earn your living... instead hitting man on the ground lets support community which has give us so much past 15y... TACK OCH HEJ !!!

My pronouns are he/him. But thanks for the compliment and for breaking down the numbers like you just did.

The prize pool for the Spring season alone was €24,000, yet you only accounted for a 10% tax (licenses) on the entire season. With 1,000 active players, that results in a total tax liability of around €4,000 for both Winter and Spring seasons combined. The financial and tax issues — particularly the VAT misclassification — appear to stem from internal handling and decisions made at the organizational level. It’s difficult to accept that players are now being asked to absorb the consequences of those missteps, especially when many have paid license fees in good faith, expecting timely prize payments and professional management. While I respect the effort to stabilize the organization, I believe it’s important to emphasize this: tax handling errors and financial planning shortfalls are not the responsibility of the players. They fall on the company and its leadership.

Maybe just free touraments next time and no prizepool’s, figure out how to get money to everyone from last touraments.

It has now been several months — in some cases nearly a full year — and yet many teams and players have still not received their prize pool payments. This delay is completely unacceptable and must be addressed immediately. (Reason we got first not sure what it is now) international payment processing is not a valid excuse in this day and age. Transfers of this nature can be handled efficiently and securely within days using modern platforms. Suggesting otherwise only raises more questions about the handling of funds and organizational transparency. calling for a public update that includes: A detailed breakdown of the prize pool status for all affected teams. Clear payment timelines for each party. A real explanation of the delays — not vague references to "international issues." Prize pool payments are not a courtesy — they are contractual obligations. The continued silence or vague communication on this matter damages trust across the community and sets a dangerous precedent for future events. This situation demands accountability. We urge you to take it seriously and respond accordingly. I

I think this thread speaks for itself quite clearly - it is subjective to players as to which perks are ”op” and which are not. Therefore I think the logical conclusion is to either ban all abilities, which I think worked well last year when it was tried, or not ban anything. All middle ground is more or less dependent on who is asked, or who can make their voice the loudest.

I believe that atleast 90% of players would not only be ok with but to actually prefer having tournament without any prize pools and with low entry fees. Only the best of the best asked for this nonsense and everybody gets to pay for them.

Propably the most important thing is that you pay all the missing prize money to the players who deserve them before you start begging for more license payments. Or is the business model to pay last season's prize money from next season's license fees? If so, seems to be working great 😃

The problem here is that there are still players in ECL Elite who keep buying into all the bullshit behind this. Through my teammates, I posted a detailed calculation showing how many hundreds of thousands of euros Sportsgamer pulls in every year. Yet there were still well-known players from top teams who genuinely believed that a Twitch broadcast costs around 1,500 euros. 😅 And somehow, that was considered a reasonable explanation for where all the money went. At that point, I honestly considered quitting my job, giving up the 70,000 euros I make each year, and becoming a professional caster here on Sportsgamer if this delusion were actually true. No, Sportsgamer. You know exactly what I think about this, and both you and I know that you have tried to silence me before. But enough is enough. If this continues, it might be time for someone to bring the international financial authorities into this company.

The best solution would certainly be to have explanations for the delay. I can understand that there are money problems; times are tough in Europe. The problem with sponsors, license fees, and registration fees is: where does the money go? Because the money is paid and sent almost immediately. So why, when the tournaments are over, don't we receive the money as quickly? This lack of professionalism, where players have 2-3 ECLs without having received their winnings, must be highlighted. I am asking for two things: 1/ That all players licenses become free for the next two ECLs. 2/ that team registrations in the different categories must be divided by 2. the prize pool will be smaller. But we are still talking about NHL... a game that is not very well known to the public and has very few players. We are not FIFA or Fortnite. Afterwards, we could perhaps find additional sponsors and maybe sell part of the league to an investment fund, which would help financially. Spending between €400 and €600 to not see it again for two seasons, or probably ever again, bothers me a little, to be honest.

Appreciate the civil tone, finally a reply that doesn’t sound like it was typed mid meltdown. But let’s be honest. If a company continuously takes money from players, promises prize pools, and then fails to deliver year after year, that’s not bad business. That’s business gone bad. You can wrap it in fancy terms like cashflow issues or unlucky timing, but at the end of the day, people paid for a product and didn’t get what they were promised. If a company can’t handle that responsibility, it shouldn’t be selling licenses or hosting tournaments. And please, spare the government tax increase sob story. We’re not talking about a bakery that couldn’t afford flour, we’re talking about an organization that has pocketed tens of thousands of euros from a paying player base, then gone silent when it’s time to pay out. So yes, you might have a BBA, and that’s great. But you don’t need a degree in international business to recognize when the books don’t balance. You just need a bit of common sense and a moral compass that points somewhere other than excuse management.

more u speak, less intelligent u seem to me, so please continue, i have my popcorn`s ready, unlike u, yes i understand your point and ye it sucks when u dont get your money, but its not like KENU has nice house in Espoo westend or hit all the money in his sleeve and scam us all to make himself smth :DD but like we have seen years now here in internet that some certain idealogic is that u YELL everyone else shut up on only ONE truth and opinion is correct, so yeah keep yelling same thing after n after to make it your truth, Einstein has LEFT THE BUILDING

Ah, finally, the Einsteins have arrived. Always fascinating how the self-proclaimed business experts show up the moment someone mentions accountability. Let’s make this simple. The issue isn’t about understanding business models, it’s about a company that doesn’t pay out prize money that players have rightfully earned. That’s not a cashflow issue, that’s a breach of trust. If you buy a lottery ticket and win, you expect your winnings. You don’t expect to wait twelve months and be told to be patient because the organizer spent your money somewhere else. What you’re describing isn’t business, it’s mismanagement dressed up as martyrdom. “Thousands of free hours,” “small business struggles,” “support the community”… it’s the same emotional violin every time. Meanwhile, players who paid to participate are left with nothing but excuses. So please, spare us the hero speech. This isn’t a charity, it’s a paid competition. And when the house stops paying out, it stops being a game —> it becomes a scam

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Yeah, I dont think covering this with more license fees can work. For the vast majority, it was something to swallow in the first place that the average mid-tier gamer pays licences that mostly fund the elite teams prizes. Didnt that reduce players already when you started to hike up the license fees? But I do hope that the league can come out of this, and re-establish itself as a gaming platform first and foremost. People are willing to pay a fair fee for operating what the website offers (stats and standings first and foremost) and people like the competition and established team base. That is what this site does well.

Is this situation even legal? I would assume no (obviously). if they can ban players for breaking the rules, they should also face consequences when they break their own rules and the law.

I just want to know… if ”in practice” 50% goes to prize payments, which they never did. WHERE DID THE MONEY WENT? I dont care about fking few bucks but im not going to fund this shit no more, I dont like liars. Not sorry for being blunt.

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Yeah SG hasn’t been transparent and yeah players should have received their payments on time but it still isn’t a scam, it’s just bad business. I am sure if Kenu or someone else at SG had landed a big ass sponsorship deal or two for this year’s ECLs we wouldn’t even be discussing in this thread - they have tried almost everything to find the cashflow because that’s what small business owners do. You make a business plan for a fiscal year with a certain budget and then the goverment slaps you with a 2.5x VAT increase while you’re struggling to close sponsorship deals. If the only cash reserve you had at that point was external funding, how likely is it that you’re gonna get more after such events? P.S. I’m not a self-proclaimed business expert, just a marketing consultant with a BBA degree in international business.

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Hello SportsGamer Team, Thank you for your transparency regarding the current situation of the ECL. I understand the financial difficulties you are facing and appreciate your efforts to keep the league running. However, I would like to share my opinion regarding the licenses and prize pools. Personally, I am not willing to pay the same license fee if the cash prizes are reduced for the 2026 seasons. The size of the prize pools is a key part of the competitive experience and is part of the value I expect as a player. I remain interested in the ECL and would like to continue participating, but I believe it is fair that the license fee reflects the rewards being offered. Thank you for taking my feedback into account in your decisions for the future of the ECL. Best regards,

LA can just make a poll here for 1-2 weeks. Let’s say have every ability as an option there and everyone gets to vote for each one of them to be banned or not banned. LA can then make their decision based on these poll results. For example if 3-4 abilities rose clearly above others in the voting then ban those. It’s not a perfect solution. But it’s pretty close to the best one available. I have my own opinions on which abilities should be banned (truc, unstoppable etc), but once there’s an official decision made (especially by voting like this) I would have nothing to complain about it, even if it wouldn’t align with my own preference.

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Although, personally I am not one of those who are waiting their prize money but I am still - as a member of this community and participated in tournaments previously and considering participating in future - interested what is going on with this matter. I would like to see public statement on the reasons of this to show public visibility on explaining what has happened and why those prize money have not been paid to these players who are entitled to recieving them. Like the original post mentioned: "The continued silence or vague communication on this matter damages trust across the community and sets a dangerous precedent for future events. This situation demands accountability." and also " Prize pool payments are not a courtesy — they are contractual obligations.". Although, I am not now and propably in future one that is recieving any prize money from competitions, I am also interested to see the statement what has happened. My future participations are dependable on how visible this operation is here and how these things are handled. I also expect public update as a member of this community. Silence is worse than telling the truth what really has happened.

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