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We have players who support the idea that there’s some fees, players who pay whatever it cost and players who want to play only for free. The jump from free to +50€ was just too big at once and its a huge risk that ECL is going to shrink, a lot. Most or some of us play just for fun and ECL is "just" supplemental, not the goal. I'm curious what sportsgamer has thought about backup players. Why anyone wants to join in a team for backup role and pay for that, no one. So other active players have to pay also the backup players fees, otherwise the roster stays short. These comments about kenus Ferrari and how much sportsgamer is making money for all this is lame. You cannot calculate “fees minus prize pool money equals profit”, how about taxes, servers, website updates, stream staff and contents, game schedule / problem solving, marketing, staff, management etc.. But still, I don’t support the idea for these big fees especially if the prize pool money is what SP is heading to, because it will shrink our communitie and teams / player’s amount. In my opinion, I support the idea for some kind of players licenses (max.20€) and prize pool money is voluntary. Pro and Elite fees and licenses are different story.23 points
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Man. As a fellow old-timer, I'm glad to have you around to this day. In fact, I consider you a kind of scene legend. I mean, you were trolling these conversations literally before some of the players today were even born. At the same time, I can't help but wonder. Over all these years, I don't remember seeing you make one comment where you didn't try to get a rise out of people. You've made a lot of comments and I'm sure some of your more constructive messages are just slipping my mind right now, but that's only because they're drowned out by the overwhelming barrage of confrontational posts. It's just strange to me that you would bother keeping that up year in, year out. I am aware that unlike me, you actually have a life, which just makes it all the more baffling.21 points
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The day Sportsgamer takes a fee from all players. Is the day when everybody in the community can demand that Sportsgamer also starts acting like a professional organization/company. Asking for 40€ á player is alot of money even tho most of us or all of us can afford it. Its absolutely madness that most of the money goes to the higher tier. When most of the money comes from lower Ts. An example of not acting like a professional organization is to drop this kind of info a week before signup ends. Also there should be other benefits like staff should add played games or build a better api. If you pay for a product it should work better. Support/LA cases should be investigsted and solved in a few hours not in days/weeks. Core, Lite, Pro and Elite should all have broadcasts and all what comes around when a team and all the players in the team pay to play. Just some examples.....20 points
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This is about lower divisions: First comes product, after that you can charge what that product is worth. Currently the only product for Neo/Core/Lite is platform where schedule games and play some sort of competition - no more, no less. Should you charge for it - yes, why not? There will be demand. Should you charge 40eur per player (team and player license) - absolutely not. No surprise most of the community reacted this way as everyone is prepared to pay what they think it's worth for any product or service. The right route imho would be charging only fixed Team Participation Fee so then captain's can charge less or don't charge at all so called backup players. Everything else about "community dream" regarding world finals etc is only a wet dream for Pro-Gamers, but not roughly 80% of us who play this game for fun.19 points
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Also the timing for these increased fees could have been better. First of all everyone had to buy PS5's, then of course the game and now the increased team licenses plus the player licenses. That's a lot of money. I really understand the frustration of the lower divisions especially compared to the price pool. This also affects us who play Pro. Now "only" the top 8 get something back. For most I don't think it's about that players can't afford to pay the fees, but it's a matter of principles. Maybe sportsgamer could consider to be more open to the comminity about where the money will be used for? We all do understand there are expenses, but the lack of information causes the amount of negativity atm.. "Se oli tonnin seteli".. Tonni19 points
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Cry me a river. How constructive is it to facepalm 42 messages without writing your own opinion? You can see my opinion in the beginning of this thread. My other opinion got deleted last night by some swedish admins at the swedish server where I showed the community some facts. And that cancel culture is not on me. --- Okey, but here we are. And you can get my second opinion about this. (Cuz you asked about it) There is NO players from Elite in this thread that is complaining about this decision. Cuz this benefits them all. They get the money. And they know it. There is no players AT ALL from elite in this thread that is even showing some understanding for the teams in the lower divisions and what it means for them. Im not a player that is playing in Elite nowadays, but still, this will not affect me at all cuz I have an organization that is supporting our team with things like this. Pretty much the same situation as it is for the teams in Elite. But still -I'm here showing my opinion about this crap. Cuz I do understand that this will affect a lot of teams from the lower divisions, teams that now considering moving themselves to the NEO-division cuz they don't have the money or the motivation to spons the higher divisions. Yes, I havs been here for a very long time as you mentioned. And with that I also know how this scene works. I also know that a cancel culture is a pretty bad thing. I also know that there is people sitting at discord pep-talking me to say the things im actually saying cuz they are to scrared to say them by themselves. I also know that some players from the higher divisions also only care about the money and not the community. Which we have seen a several of times lately (with teams not showing up for tournaments cuz there is no prizepools etc) And thats actually the difference between them and me. What about you? Which side have you choosed? And whats your opinion about this situation? - can you write something constructive about it now when you tried to write something constructive about me?18 points
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Free for next ECL. C / LD Contact here🥲16 points
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I think it’s good that the players in the lower divisions provide income for players in Elite who might not have jobs etc. to get consistent income otherwise.14 points
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Yeah 20€-100€ isnt that big of a deal to pay. However, when you know what you get in return for that money its getting pretty funny. For lower divisions the return is basically just a platform where to schedule games and nothing else. Its more of an principle not to pay this kind of fee’s. You know many people comment that just dont go out for one night or just dont buy that case of beer or something but i can feed my two kids for a week with 45€ to give some perspective.11 points
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As Captain of Inter Iceland (Former Geekz Energy eSports) we will play this upcoming ECL PRO, but it would be fine, if our earnig from last ECL Spring /Playoffs Round 1 ~ 210 € are here! I payed last year all from my side, and this year myb aswell, i don't the money so much, i have a good Private Life, but its not professionell to wait a half year for our earnig! And now i have to pay 560€, but still wait for my 210 €? Don't get me wrong, we like to play ECL, especially its the only Chance as a Team from Mittle Europe to play against the north, but if u have a prizepool, dont let the guys wait for their cashout! Kind regards josh11 points
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ÖREBRO HOCKEY IN: @Rimpe Tervetuloa Timi! 🔴⚫⚪
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Free RD for caps gaming tournament only11 points
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Up! Still looking 🤠10 points
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Maybe Kenu can open little bit that situation about lower divisions ? Is it there coming something more to lite and core also, streams, better previews and other stuff? Why sportsgamer dont take more money from elite? Elite teams have lots of bigger prize pools and they have sponsors also. So maybe elite team and player licenses should to pay double or even more what is right now. Like someone said earlier in this conversation, in real life lower divisions not pay higher divisions salary. Its right if sportgamer start to take money from their expenses, but now payer is from wrong series.10 points
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Every guy who writing here please tell me What you can do without paying it? That just normal, everything you wanna do In your Free time cost and everything cost so much More than this…. So take you head out off ass please😴10 points
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I think its a good thing, even though price Pool should be updated in a direction that mid-table Elite Teams also have something to play for not only top 4 Teams. Like now we pay 1.000€ + Player licence for two seasons without having a chance at getting something back, when we could just go to Pro Div and fight for the win/money with less pay in.10 points
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Your reply is kind of all over the place so I'll disregard the parts that don't seem relevant. I read all of your messages in the thread before posting my first response to you. It's true that you gave your opinion. You always give your opinion, so that's definitely not in question. My gripe is with the way you go about it. Going on a decade and a half now I've seen you serve your opinions as a condiment to go with the main dish of trolling the conversation. That tends to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths. To be fair, maybe you really do care about the community. The way it comes across though is that you care much more about provoking people into arguing with you so that you can reply with more of the same. As for my take on the actual topic, I'm kind of conflicted but leaning more toward thinking the implementation is unfair. I applaud SportsGamer for taking steps to build up the brand with increased visibility via prominent advertising, increased prize pools, celebrity guests on streams, etc. I see all that as part of the same overarching strategy where the Elite and FCL game broadcasts got more polished and professional, and I see these increased license fees as perhaps a necessary move that plays into all that. At the same time, the deal just got a whole lot worse for anyone below the Elite level, and it gets worse the lower you go in the divisions. I can well understand the confusion and frustration especially of a Core or Lite player who has to pay more for participation without feeling like they're getting more in return.9 points
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Free RW/C (can play goalie too) Looking for Top Lite / Pro team. Can play everyday. Contact me HERE or PSN - CMB-wf- or Discord - Daniels 'CMB-'#72969 points
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I'm kind of in the neutral about this. I'm very competitive and am all in for bigger prize pools, but having played the last few tournaments in Core, understand the arguments for the license removals. If and when we are going down the route of licenses and fees for tournaments, i truly think the community will and probably should be divided. SportsGamer is heading towards professionalism, and that costs money. This was bound to happen. Maybe SportsGamer could come up with tournaments for those who are ACTUALLY competitive, and then separate ones for those who just want to play somewhat competitive hockey without paying or paying too much. For example from Lite upwards it could be for only those who want to pay the "bigger" license fees for bigger prize pools, and Core and/or Neo could stay free or have very minor license fees? This could also create a need for new league(s) for both sets of categories. The fees also create issues in the functionality of the tournaments. Have you seen leagues with payments (competitive leagues) where the teams can shift and change the schedule of the games as they want, multiple times? Which is why charging Core teams for example is very problematic since most just play for fun with a little competitive aspect brought in by the league and some have difficult work schedules. This goes for the players in other divisions too, of course but at least it would be their choice. All i'm saying is this: The addition of fees kind of forcefully casts all of the playerbase into the same mold. Everybody wants the competitive side of the leagues, but for some the fees and licenses are too much and should be resolved somehow.9 points
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WATCH OUT EVERYONE! THE FACEPALM KNIGHTS @Frans-Finand @wade(wadepaananenenenene - wrong tag, can't delete it) is here! First of their Name, Queens of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Sportsgamer9 points
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UP! only need for a C8 points
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Mora IK is also searching for a left wing for pro quali and upcoming tournaments you have to have a mic. It is good if you have played ecl before. Send a msg to either me @albin tinglert or @Fidelvv7 points
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Arkham Asylum Looking for back up G. (Pro quals) Prefer finnish players7 points
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Lots of news are here along with the new ECL season, as always - bigger and better than ever before. This season we will also be able to realize a long-time community dream by organizing the first ever 6v6 World Finals! The ECL is back, and this time we’re in for a wild ride, leading up to the World Finals! Yes, you read that right - this season, we’ll have our ECL ‘23 Winter Champion go head-to-head with the NACL Champion in a World Finals event live at Assembly Winter 2023 in Helsinki. The event hosted in Messukeskus of the Finnish capital is the same venue where so many legendary moments have taken place. FILADELPHIA hoisted the trophy to cap off the unbelievable IS Cup 3 Finals, whereas HAVU Gaming celebrated their FCL 2019 victory at the very same spot. Who will be the next team to hoist the trophy in Helsinki and are you ready to ramp things up to the next level? The ECL has established itself as the superior European NHL esports league and the objective is to continue solidifying that position with even bigger and better things in the future without forgetting our trademark quality. The new season ramps up the heat in several ways and we're extremely happy to announce a new record high prize pool of up to 28 000€ for only the Winter Season spread out across the divisions. Let’s also take a look at some of the other news our next season brings. Introducing ECL 1v1 The first and most visible change will be the introduction of the all new 1v1 European Championship League. This is the new 1v1 league to rule them all in the European market, with the ultimate prize being the 1v1 European Championship. The format is designed to follow the true and tested format of our national 1v1 competitions, and as this falls under the ECL umbrella, you can also expect big production and a hefty prize pool to go along with it. Changes to licenses The ECL has been on a steady growth trajectory over the past few years and we’re keen on continuing that trend. In order to help with that ambition, we will be introducing player licenses, and increasing team license fees for the upcoming ECL. The new ECL Player License will cost 20€ and allow for participation in both the ECL 6v6 and 1v1 leagues for the full ECL ‘23 year including both the ECL '23 Winter and Spring seasons. This license will grant you access to compete in the most prestigious and biggest competitive NHL esports league in Europe. An ECL season spans over the course of two to three months and guarantees a minimum of roughly 20 games of competition on the 6v6 side*, whereas the 1v1 league adds - at the very least - the opportunity to participate in four single-elimination qualifier events that are used to qualify the top 128 players that move forward to the group stage. Starting this ECL Winter season, ECL Neo will continue being available at no license fee for teams wishing to get a taste of competitive virtual hockey, whereas all other divisions are subject to a team license fee. The license is exponentially higher at higher levels of competition, given the increased spotlight and additional content around the divisions in question. Each team can name up to 3 backup players (outside of the primary 6) that can help the team out and play up to 10 games without having to own the player license. The ECL ‘23 Player License can be purchased during the season if a backup wants to play more games than expected. ECL Neo will remain free to play, with no player license required to compete, however To uphold the integrity of ECL Neo as the beginner level, we reserve the right to deny teams to participate in cases where they are clearly above the amateur level, as it could significantly impact the experience of what ECL Neo is intended for. The ECL ‘23 Player License can be purchased by an ECL Neo player if they want to participate in ECL 1v1, benefit from the additional advantages that come with the license (more on this later), or simply as a form of supporting the league. License fees will be allocated to fund prize pools and developing operations, such as our broadcasts, live productions and promoting the league. *Based on the minimum amount of games played in a starting role in the ECL '22 Spring: Core regular season. ECL Legacy for PlayStation 4 As the ECL is moving over to new generation consoles, we realize that a number of teams have still chosen to continue playing on the previous generation. In order to satisfy their need for competitive action, we will be hosting an ECL Legacy league that will be based on our ECL ruleset. ECL Legacy will be open for all PlayStation 4 teams, only requiring a player license. Taking the next steps for the ECL into a more professional direction has been a long time coming already, and it has been an inevitable step to take in our journey to developing the league and platform as a whole. The league has been active since 2015 and ran without profit every season. Since the start, we’ve grown from a 50 team single division into a five division league with around 300 active teams, which has led to the requirements of the team increasing. These changes allow us to focus on core operations and develop even further, with the first step being the all new ECL 1v1. The ECL is the pinnacle of European NHL esports - a league where all the best European NHL gamers compete against each other in both EASHL (6v6) and Online Versus (1v1) for the European Championship title. ECL 6v6 currently features five divisions, so action is guaranteed for everyone regardless of skill level and experience! Basic information/requirements of ECL: Regional restrictions: ECL is a European tournament format, however, we do not necessarily exclude players located in North America or Asia. A European server will always be used. In case of severe connection issues, we reserve the right to exclude teams or players. Individual requirements: Each player needs to have an account at SportsGamer.GG and create their personal player card. ECL licenses: Teams in ECL Elite & ECL Pro, ECL Lite and ECL Core will require their respective ECL ‘23 Winter team licenses in order to play. In addition, every player needs to have a valid ECL ‘23 Winter Player License before taking the ice. Rules: The ECL ‘23 Winter ruleset will follow the same foundation as the previous season. The updated rulebook will be available before the season. The divisions framework for the ECL ‘23 season will follow the same logic as for previous seasons. We will have a total of five divisions with the following team allocation: Elite 16 teams, Pro 32 teams, Lite 64 teams, Core 128 teams and Neo 32+ teams. Please refer to this ECL Ranking in order to understand which teams are eligible to sign up for each division. Wildcard teams: 14.-19.11.2022 ⚠️ ECL Lite Qualifier: 14.-22.11.2022 ⚠️ ECL Pro Qualifier: 14.-22.11.2022 ⚠️ ECL Neo: 14.11.-8.12.2022 ECL Core: 14.11.-8.12.2022 ECL Lite: 14.-30.11.2022 ECL Pro: 14.-30.11.2022 ECL Elite: 14.-30.11.2022 *Signups will close at 23:59 CET on the last day mentioned unless otherwise specified. Schedule Qualifiers: 24.11-7.12.2022 ⚠️ Season duration: 11.12.2022-1.3.2023 Signups are open right now, so now is time to brace for that final push in building your teams! Get your team together and sign up for the biggest event of the year! For our North American members who are eagerly waiting for the NACL announcement, we can reveal that it is in the works and will be dropping within the coming days. Read more about specific division schedules, prize pools and more: ECL '23 Winter Wildcard ECL '23 Winter Lite & Pro Qualifiers ECL '23 Winter Neo ECL '23 Winter Core ECL '23 Winter Lite ECL '23 Winter Pro ECL '23 Winter Elite ECL '23 Winter 1v1 Purchase Licenses Don't have a team yet? Team looking for additions to your roster? If you are a free agent looking to be picked up, please head over here. If you are representing a team looking for players, please head over here. Did your team sign with an organization that is represented in the game and needs in-game unlocks? Fill in this form. (Only if your organization has unlockables available in NHL 23)6 points -
Yep and that is a very good organized tournament, Zürich esports you like to play caps gaming tournament😄😄😄 @IDangledYouOut @Keuschemisch6 points
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Together with our community, we want to continue developing the ECL and this platform as a whole. The league has been active since 2015 and ran without profit every season. Since the start, we’ve grown from a 50 team single division into a five division league with around 300 active teams, which has led to the requirements of the team increasing. These changes allow us to focus on core operations and develop even further. This year, we have decided to make one of our community dreams come true with the World Finals. This is a substantial investment from our side, but we feel like now is the time to make that happen. It's understandable how it may appear on surface level like all of the costs are related to prize money. What is less apparent is the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes. When speaking about pure administrative work, the lower divisions take exponentially more effort to run, while Pro and Elite tend to operate more smoothly due to the experience of the teams and players in these divisions, and the lower number of teams involved.6 points
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Free D (C,RW) Pro/Elite Contact here or PSN: Tumpp1A6 points
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I can tell you that I respect svamp 100 procent. Yes i have been fucking mad at him also but he always says and write what he thinks thats the best type of people i think. Not talking shit behind back and stuff and he is not trying to kiss other peolpe back just for likes. He has my respect 100 procent and in this he speaks just the truth.5 points
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But is it really community dream? Or is it only the dream for the like top 5 elite teams who have the chance to get there. Feels like everyone else in elite, pro, lite, core and neo is paying unnecessarily much for making the «dream» of maybe the top 5 elite teams.5 points
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YMCA Esports In: @xColeslaww Out : @Tumpp1A5 points
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I don`t have the time to play atm bc of work related stuff, have been pretty much on a brake for more than 6 months. I don`t agree with neo nor core fees. Guys are playing for fun and/or are new to the scene, not necessarily competitive mindset at all. Same goes 30-50% of lite teams. So… But at the same time I think: There is no free lunch in the table. - Servers cost money, maintenance cost money, platform develepment…everything costs money. Hours Kenu has put in this for free of charge is mindblowing. So I more than understand. We have enjoyed ECL for no cost, same goes to NHLGamer/Sportsgamer for years, but there are people who has done the work behind the scenes. So everyone is ofc free to try to do the same and put only the hours in. How many of members are actually ready to do that? I`d guess Kenu has done thousands of hours to ours behalf. And ofc all the volunteers also. And no, I`m not one of them, don`t have the time to put effort in it.4 points
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How ungrateful some of you guys are here? I don't see why it is such a big deal for people to pay a small fee for a one year license. You have been given an opportunity for 5+ years to compete and challenge the best in the NHL for free to this date. SportsGamer was a hobby for the organizers, but due to increasing amount of work a hobby became a job. SportsGamer is a company that has employees, and organizing tournaments of this quality is a full time job, and the people who are organizing these tournaments have families to feed. Don't buy two 24 packs of beer this weekend, and practice CHEL instead and there is your license.4 points
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Any neo teams looking for a player?4 points
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It is so funny how people always want to count someones money and also get everything free of charge)))) so pathetic It is understandable to ask about the prize money which you didn't receive for some reason. But to whine about a little fee is nonsense. Especially if you compare it to the cost of the game or Playstation5 ffs. You get the finest experience playing ECL and guys doing this stuff for free for so long... But usually its like that - do something for free once and almost everyone around will think you owe them that and you'll have to do it like that for eternity)))) Want a better experience - pay. Its how it works. Dont wanna pay? Make your own free of charge league))4 points
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‼️ We're looking for starting LW or C now!
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Belissimo etsii muutamaa pelaajaa rotaatioon. Tarve hyökkääjälle ja puolustajalle, pelin taso corea ja rentous myös sitä luokkaa, pelikertoja viikossa joukkueena 2-3. Jos saadaan fiksua poppoota kasaan, niin todennäköisesti coren valloitusta lähdetään tekemään. Iske viestiä täällä niin katotaan hommaa eteenpäin!4 points
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To be fair Elite Teams do not really profit from it. Only the Top 3-4 Teams who are really capable of winning or at least reaching the finals profit from the higher prize money. All other Elite Teams, including even those reaching the quarterfinals, go out with -500€ Team license per season + the player licenses3 points
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Free rw (rd if team its right) lite/PRO . Money it’s not a issue 💰3 points
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Free G for Ecl and upcoming tournaments (Lite/Pro) Contact me here or psn Sonnysprofil3 points
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Free goalie for the upcoming ECL Winter. I've got experience from a decent amount of ECL Pro seasons during the last couple of years. I'm also raising my free G offer to a Free Lw/C, the one and only, Mr JezusKristuz.3 points
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Free C/RW for upcoming tournaments contact me here or psn VaIee__ https://sportsgamer.gg/players/8328#nhl3 points
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Bullshit. Caps Gaming is for free.2 points
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Diizzylicious… yeah maybe. At the same time (not related to that what I wrote) 45€ is 45€. You drink 5 beers in some of Helsinki Centrum`s nightclub`s, and 45€ Is gone. But now when I`m thinking, the problem what I see is what was written earlier. Core and Lite collects the money, but the prizepools in those respective divisions are much smaller compared to Pro and Elite. So that is for me bit unfair. It doesn’t go like that in real world leagues either. Division 3 and 4 are not paying Top-leagues salary.2 points
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This is ridiculous. I’ve been around since 09, participating in most of the tournaments, ups and downs. Been fortunate enough to play at the highest level, competing with the very best and at the same time surrounded by wonderful team mates in Synergy Hockey trough most of the seasons. That will come to an end personally if these new changes are here to stay. ECL has always been what keeps me at least somewhat motivated, even if the game itself sucks. It’s worth the grind in EASHL when you got ECL coming. But paying money to be able to participate? And not even by choice, even in the lower divisions, absolutely baffling decision. I won’t do it, I could, but I won’t. very disappointing news. My opinion, I don’t care what anyone makes of it.2 points
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in Finnish.. Köyhät kyykkyyn2 points
