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Hello, I hope I am not too late to discuss divisions. I spent some time reading all the comments here and think about this, these are my toughts. First division 3 amateur: I don't think 3 divisions will stop teams falling apart, drama is always there in this league as in life. And it does not stop teams from quitting before the tournament ends. It might even engourage to that in div3. All of the teams aim to go in div2? Think about teams that have worked for months to get in div2 from div3 and if they think in the middle of the tournament they won't make it. So much furstration, try next time in 3 months to play in the division they want to play? Why even try to finish? What they have to lose in div3 they dont even want to play in? I think there will be highest amount of quits in div3 that has ever been in a tournament. Who wants that? Let's be honest here, nobody wants to play in div3 and I think that is a huge problem as we can't stop the drama in teams. New teams will always come and go. Why punish them? Why is a new team so bad thing, if they want to make a new team let them. Why kill their ECL dreams by putting them in div3, where nobody wants. It will be really hard to create a new team if you have to start from div3, who wants to go play there if you have option to go in higher div as free agent. Divisions will create more drama in teams because now when some teams players want to go different ways, there will be fights who keeps the team in higher div, who has to go free agency and who has to create new team in div3, which might mean quitting ECL rather than playing in div3. I think every team who wants to play ECL wants to play competitive and play against better teams. If not I think EASHL is the right place for them, not ECL. We should not change ECL to be more pleasant for teams that do not want to play against the best teams. Division 2 pro: I think divisions 2 and 3 should be combined as div2. New teams start always from div2. Teams would be in groups, every season groups would be divided evenly by last season standings. There would be as many groups as needed. For example 30 teams in div2 = 2 groups, 45 teams = 3 groups. Total of 16 best teams from groups would go in the playoffs. After playoffs #1 goes to div1 elite and #16 of elite relegation to div2. #2-4 of div2 would play best of 7 series against elite #13-15 for elite spots for next season. Division 1 elite: It's good to have division 1. #16 straight relegation and #13-15 has to play best of 7 against relegation. I personally play for Kattiautomaatti and we have to play in div2 in next ECL and I think we deserved it. We did not play as good as we should or as good as we can play. We will try to get back in div1 elite playoffs. So I am not playing in div1 and I am not against divisions. I am not playing in div3 amateur but I am still strongly against div3. I only see more cons than pros in it. We can't stop players making new teams and we should not punish players for that. I think it is only bad for this community. Feel free to comment this post.

Tror det är flera år sedan någonting hände där. Den som dock var mest frekvent i kontakt med Webbhallen var Pulverapa. Han som fick webbhallen att skicka 6 svenskar över sjön för att spela VS mot finnarna i Helsingfors, samma år som de ställde in EASHL-SM. Även han som för några år sedan skickade We Are legends till Ryssland och UFA för att spela en uppvisningsmatch där. Och sist det spelades SM på PS3, så var det eeskay och Weztblom som arrangerade turneringen, det i NHL12. På den tiden var även SM tuffare än EHL, då toppen i EHL nästan enbart bestod av svenska lag, men på den tiden var det runt 20-25 svenska lag med i spelet. Sen dog allt, finnarna tog över, eller pesten.

Fact of the matter is that a casual league covers all the points you make about division 3. In fact, it will be even more fun for casual teams. How fun will it be for newcomers to battle expierenced teams who have started over in division 3? If I understod you correctly, you also wanna get rid of the exceptional status-thingy since it destroys the idea of fair play (I agree with you). That means you wanna introduce new teams by letting them play against for example Unknown. Even teams like CoG or other teams on that level will not be a pleasent expierence for newcomers. Already established teams will always be in the top of division 3, and top division 3 teams will most likely always beat the bottom division 2 team. It's better for them to join a casual league and play lots of EASHL and then join div 2 when they feel ready. Division 3 will give them nothing. Btw, stop accusing "none playoff"-teams of pushing their own agenda. You were not happy about Billys point of only div 1 guys expressing their opinion, so don't send back the exact same message. I hope the staff test out the 2 division system. If the community grows and the quality gaps gets wider and more clear, then we can give 3 divisions a shot. As it is now 3 equally large divisions, don't reflect the community. It divides and punish to many teams.

I like this suggestion, not only because you are my teammate. = ) Keep ECL Elite division as it is Scrap the ECL Amateur division 2 divisions instead of 3 (ECL Elite and 2 or more groups in Pro division(should not be more than 16 teams/group)) Scrap the "Exceptional Team Status"(new teams need to start in Pro division instead) Pro division: 16 teams in playoff instead of 8 Keep this one: "The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Pro are instantly promoted and will play the season after in ECL Elite." Keep this one: "The teams finishing in spots #3 and 4 (the losers of the semi-final round) will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 (one each) from ECL Elite in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games)."

Another thing I would like to add is I don't get the love for the longevity of teams. Sure, I guess it has a certain romantic aspect to it, but players create new teams to up their competitiveness, and to leave teams with bad chemistry either on or off the ice. I'm not sure how implementing a system where creating a new team is discouraging is supposed to increase the competitiveness of the league. Just something to keep in mind.

Gigantic rosters? Just because they would have chance to part of Elite team's roster, with playing 0 games? 8-10 is normal roster, what is gigantic? The problem here is not that huge. It'll be just like it is today. Feels like the problem is that you (or other bottom teams) dont have easy road no more to the Top league, to play in the league where everyone wants to play. Most of your arguments around your point of view (low tier team) dont convince me at all. @Jnmxxx has a fair point here but I think playing 30 regular season games (5 week time period) would be enough to solve that where you belong to. @cHIIMEERa said it well: that would bring Divisions more closed than they will be with this system. This brings more hunger and victory feeling to teams who go far in Div2 & Div3 playoffs. I mean seriously, if you're last in 30-game season, it's time to give someone else the chance. For an example, if SIKA plays very bad Elite season and Sjukstugan plays big in Div2 by winning the whole Pro league, I'd say they deserve the place in the Elite and we would need to shake things up to be better next season.

For example i wouldnt. I play in a team with full of players i want to play with. If we get promoted to elite division i wouldnt change a thing and to be honest, who would? Isnt that sign of good players and team play if you manage to reach the elite division? But maybe that is difference between me and you, you like to sell your friends for "succes". And is it any different if they get promoted straight or through series?

I think that if the expansion of ECL teams follows that of NHLGamer users in any sort of way, you'll soon get half of the teams in the "amateur" division. I myself am not necessarily against the 3 division system but I think the middle division should have the most players, not the bottom division. Now yuou can discard my observation as trying to get myself into Division 2, and I guess it's also true, but I really do feel that there is a small-ish amount of top teams, a small-ish amount of bad teams, and the majority is average and so if the goal of division is to separate teams by playing ability the middle should be biggest. Also, I certainly don't speak for the whole community by any means but at least if, in the event that we try to bring back CoG, we're slotted in the bottom division, what is likely gonna happen is we won't be able to recruit good players and as a result we will not take part in the tourney. Maybe Jesus can join some team but I'm pretty sure Raixor and I will just "retire". To be honest I'm thinking about quitting this ECL given the unlikelyhood of my current club reaching playoffs because what's the point anymore? If I'm gonna retire anyway after this why would I suffer through the end of this fucking grind of a tournament we are currently playing? So while the jury is still out on whether this division system will grow the community, there will be at least one casualty of the system... ...Which is ironic since I've been championning a division system since forever ago. Oh well, you know what they say... FML.