Player Ability Bans - ECL '25 Season Discussion

[pelkonen-]

BanThemAll +1

[Tromi13]

BanThemAll+1

Hello everyone,
Considering that the SG World Cup will not be played with any Xfactors/traits, I think it would be a good idea for the next ecl to be played with the same rules, since the preparation time (for those in PO) will be almost nil between the two competitions and it will be difficult to switch from one style to another in such a short time.

[Lakritsipiippu]

BanthemAll +1

[Jiihooo86]

We have tried already banning numerous traits , non of the traits , 1 trait , so why not try to play with all traits banned including gold one. My vote goes for the ban them all

Edited February 3 by Jiihooo86

[Sammy_Lx]

BanThemAll +1

why don't you listen to us on this Kenu?!?!?!and sportsgamer??

[tonijei]

BanThemAll +1

[fisu123]

DontBanAnything +1

[NikkeDangles]

Ban truculence, big tipper, uf, no contest. Then we have the most competitive game we can have. 

Gameplay without traits aint it

[Lxndstrom]

1 tunti sitten, NikkeDangles kirjoitti:

Ban truculence, big tipper, uf, no contest. Then we have the most competitive game we can have. 

Gameplay without traits aint it

Listen to this guy!!! 

[iSvamp]

Make gold big tipper great again 

[meiha]

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with competitiveness. Competitiveness remains as long as everyone has the same options available. This is more about what kind of gameplay each person prefers.

Banning only some abilities favors a specific playstyle and team tactics. It takes away depth from the game.

I believe that banning all X-Factors and Superstar abilities adds more depth to the game. If you want to shine in a certain area with your character, you have to sacrifice points from another. You can't compensate your characters mediocre skills with special abilities. Without these special abilities, there is at least hope that we will start to see variations between player builds.

[saaggssy]

For goalie without abilities is nothing  changing, but when skaters dont have golden silver close quarter one timers, game actualy is playable, and they need to beat you out of position no easy goals, i would love to see that more.

 

Of course its harder to play with traits, its makes more challange for teams to cover spots and goalies to be perfect how much they can, thats the only good reason for keeping traits. its hard decision to make.

Edited Friday at 10:35 AM by saaggssy

[NikkeDangles]

3 tuntia sitten, meiha kirjoitti:

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with competitiveness. Competitiveness remains as long as everyone has the same options available. This is more about what kind of gameplay each person prefers.

Banning only some abilities favors a specific playstyle and team tactics. It takes away depth from the game.

I believe that banning all X-Factors and Superstar abilities adds more depth to the game. If you want to shine in a certain area with your character, you have to sacrifice points from another. You can't compensate your characters mediocre skills with special abilities. Without these special abilities, there is at least hope that we will start to see variations between player builds.

Why would there need to be variations with the player builds? Ofc people are gonna play with the meta builds cuz this site is made for competitive gaming. 

[meiha]

3 minutes ago, NikkeDangles said:

Why would there need to be variations with the player builds? Ofc people are gonna play with the meta builds cuz this site is made for competitive gaming. 

It is just what kind of gameplay I prefer. As an occasional viewer of Sportsgamer streams it would make the games more interesting to watch...for me. I don't say it is something that needs to be, it is just what I prefer. In the end the owner of this Sportsgamer product is the one who decides what kind of gameplay is the best for the product.

[NikkeDangles]

2 tuntia sitten, meiha kirjoitti:

It is just what kind of gameplay I prefer. As an occasional viewer of Sportsgamer streams it would make the games more interesting to watch...for me. I don't say it is something that needs to be, it is just what I prefer. In the end the owner of this Sportsgamer product is the one who decides what kind of gameplay is the best for the product.

but the gamestyle wouldnt be any different, just more bs goals and rebound attempts without 1t or cq (you rarely beat the goalie clean without abilities) 😆

[meiha]

9 minutes ago, NikkeDangles said:

but the gamestyle wouldnt be any different, just more bs goals and rebound attempts without 1t or cq (you rarely beat the goalie clean without abilities) 😆

Could be, I don't know. Things needs to be tested. You may have more experience on the matter than me, but have your tried to play games without X-factor/Superstar abilities with player build where you have allocated the skill points to shooting abilities so that they are a way over 90 each and you still can't score?

[NikkeDangles]

4 tuntia sitten, meiha kirjoitti:

Could be, I don't know. Things needs to be tested. You may have more experience on the matter than me, but have your tried to play games without X-factor/Superstar abilities with player build where you have allocated the skill points to shooting abilities so that they are a way over 90 each and you still can't score?

Yes we had no abilities tournament with elite teams and the games were boring and almost impossible to score even against weaker teams which is not good.

[meiha]

23 minutes ago, NikkeDangles said:

Yes we had no abilities tournament with elite teams and the games were boring and almost impossible to score even against weaker teams which is not good.

Ok, good to know. If attributes (especially shooting attributes) actually does not matter much, I'll have to rethink my opinion about banning all traits. Thanks 👍

Edited Friday at 05:33 PM by meiha

[Lxndstrom]

1 tunti sitten, NikkeDangles kirjoitti:

Yes we had no abilities tournament with elite teams and the games were boring and almost impossible to score even against weaker teams which is not good.

 Just listen nikkedangles... he is one of the best

i dont understand why we just cant do same thing what north americans do... why we always need to do some own random bs😄 

[Vattuyy]

22 tuntia sitten, NikkeDangles kirjoitti:

Ban truculence, big tipper, uf, no contest. Then we have the most competitive game we can have. 

Gameplay without traits aint it

+1

[Wpaanane]

22 tuntia sitten, NikkeDangles kirjoitti:

Ban truculence, big tipper, uf, no contest. Then we have the most competitive game we can have. 

Gameplay without traits aint it

+1 

[Sokkelo__]

22 tuntia sitten, NikkeDangles kirjoitti:

Ban truculence, big tipper, uf, no contest. Then we have the most competitive game we can have. 

Gameplay without traits aint it

Strongly agree with this. Banning all traits would just make teams collapse more on defence and go for more forces and rebounds on offence, who wants to play or watch games like that?😅

[Allupekkaz]

22 tuntia sitten, NikkeDangles kirjoitti:

Ban truculence, big tipper, uf, no contest. Then we have the most competitive game we can have. 

Gameplay without traits aint it

+1

[sopulii04]

I honestly do not see reasons to ban a specific set of abilities (except big tipper) - to me it's either the way it is right now, or everything banned (honestly the current gameplay isn't too bad, don't really care which way it goes).

I do wanna hear some reasoning behind banning uf, no contest and truculence though. Uf and no contest are already super rare to see players use so that's a mystery for me why those would be banned. When it comes to truculence, I do see how it is annoying to play against but my question is why would truculence be banned while stick em up is literally used by everyone. Let's take Parasite as an example team: they have 5x stick em up & 1x truculence. So the best team in Europe thinks stick em up is basically 5x more useful than truculence but truculence is the one that's a problem?

[meiha]

My belief is/was that shooting abilities have effect. However, if this is not the case, it does not make sense to ban all the traits. If you cannot be an effective goal scorer for your team by increasing/maximizing your shooting attributes, everyone will choose speed instead of shooting.

Shooting abilities are important because they are in same category with skating abilities, meaning players must somewhat choose between them. This could also give more chance for bigger player types. Luckily, now there will be tournaments where all traits are banned, so we can gain more experience on this matter.