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  4. Team Radical disqualification

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    11 minutes ago, MartindalexC said:

    I acknowledged that the two rules contradict themselves. The problem arises when you realise that 13.4 was added (27th Feb 2017) to the rule book after 13.8 was already there and as a direct replacement for it, therefore the LA applying a clearly obselete rule is just completely asinine.  It's their fault they didn't rectify this discrepancy in the 3 editions of the rule book since, not mine for applying the rule as indicated. 

    What I meant was 13.8 states that regardless of captaincy, members that were involved in the disqualification of their team will be banned. Judging by what's written here, they were. So I don't think it contradicts 13.4 at all.

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  5. Team Radical disqualification

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    22 minutes ago, MartindalexC said:

    Oh where do I start? May as well use the rules you guys used to somehow support this absolute [insert word here to fit your emotion] decision.

    "13.4
    Team captains are not allowed to be transferred during a league/tournament. Team assistant captains are allowed to transfer in case the team captain agrees to a transfer. In case the team captain disagrees, an assistant captain is not allowed to be transferred to another team. This paragraph also applies if a team is not able to finish the tournament for whatever reason.”

    “13.8
    If a team is disqualified, its managers are banned from the league/tournament. The other roster players are free to transfer to another team, unless they were proven involved in the disqualification of their team, in which case they are also banned.”

    So 13.4 is pretty key in that it EXPLICITLY states "This paragraph also applies if a team is not able to finish the tournament for whatever reason.", In non-bloated speak that means "team assistant captains" are allowed to change teams if the captain consents to it, Ape did so why the actual shit was this not applied? This is where you say "it wasn't used because 13.8 (which is contradictory in nature) states otherwise". But wait, 13.8 is not only completely contradictory but it is also GENERAL. What kind of backwards ass rule system applies a general rule over one that is much more specific in nature? In fact, why not top off this pile of excrement with the fact that 13.4 was written AFTER 13.8 was already a rule, meaning that 13.4 was conceived to REPLACE 13.8, jesus christ wtf.

    May as well throw this in here since it's shady as shit in my honest opinion, all previous rule threads are hidden, meaning unless you have special privileges you can't see this 'rulebook' (if you can even call it that at this point, since you obviously don't treat it as such) unfold in all of its idiocy. Also, I would like to point out that a member of your admin crew has seemingly deleted posts which show them in a not so good light, great transparency 10/10.

     I would also like to draw attention to another rule that shows how absolutely pants on backwards [expletive] anyone involved in this decision has been.

    "6.2
    League Administration must stick to all of the written rules at any time. League Administration is allowed to add further clarification to existing rules if deemed necessary. If League Administration is required to process a case that is not covered by any of the existing rules, it is allowed to add new rules throughout a league/tournament to cover these scenarios.”

    But wait, you see the problem here? 6.2 states they (LA) must stick to the written rules at any time. No where in that 'rulebook' is there specific mention as to what the intention behind the rule is. But shit, I guess that explains why you selectively chose to follow an older more general rule as opposed to a newer one that DIRECTLY pertains to the situation at hand. That’s fine though, after all, what are rules if they’re not meant to be broken right? 

     

    I'm not involved in the situation in any shape or form, but I think you're misinterpreting the rules in this instance. Assistant captains don't get a "free pass" to leave a folding team just because 13.4 says so. 13.8 says even other roster players are banned if they're involved in the disqualification. Judging by the LA decision (again, I don't necessarily have all the information needed), there was some monkey business as well. So I don't think it's black and white.

  8. ECL 5 - Elite Finals

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    1 tunti sitten, OxtreeLAT kirjoitti:

    You're pathetic.

    Registered members are expected to treat each other with respect by not diverting to overly abusive language. This applies to all league/tournament related conversations conducted on NHLGamer.com, or direct communication between players on external sources if proof can be provided that also includes the context of the conversation.

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  9. SJK eSports vs. Written in the Stars - LA Decision

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    People can talk about respect for the league and respect for the game all they want, and how it is ridiculous that LA gives out WO’s at this stage in a ”competitive eSports league”, but respect for the league is a two-way street - you and me, as players, should respect the league enough to have the games played within the allocated time period. 

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  10. ECL 5 - Hidden Gems: Lamsa

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    2 tuntia sitten, SadaPoika kirjoitti:

    Waiting for players like @Ikavalko, who really is a hidden gem.

    Very much agreed! I’ve played with him a couple of times, and he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing! I haven’t really ever played with Lämsä, so I can’t say anything about being on the same side but the points do seem to keep coming.

    Nice work, I like reading these articles. 

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  14. NHLGamer presents: ECL Talk #3

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    14 hours ago, Jesus said:

    This type of structure does very well in many formats, but entertainment usually don't tell the consumer what's coming up, simply because of the fact that one don't want to give away the element of surprise. I do believe a more spontaneous format is something that could help with the personality of the podcast in this case since the hosts already seem pretty structured in their natural state of mind. Makes for a good mix. We also already have the context before starting a new episode since the podcast solely focuses on ECL-talk, so we already know what we have to expect so no need for a lengthy introduction.

     

     

     

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    I like the introduction. That way I know if the podcast will even interest me. Should definitely keep it in my opinion. 

    As for the actual podcast, regurgitating the stats and/or games played isn't very captivating to the listener. Needs some meat on the bones. Keep it up, though!

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  15. NHLGamer presents: ECL Talk

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    26 minutes ago, Heero said:

    I know its podcast but imo it would be more enjoyable to listen if u add like gameplay or something u can watch on the background. Little bit boring for me now but maybe I am just a kiddo

    Just pop some earbuds on and clean the house or something, that's how I listen to the podcasts I listen to!

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  19. Staff Rulings and ECL - Season 3 Playoff Pairs - Round 2

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    15 hours ago, MonkeyHead_AF said:

    @OxtreeLAT

    Yes, what I basically meant about the second issue was just that staff's decision is a little bit mystery for me. Could something else have been done? Was there really no possibility to give some extra days to play the games? Which team actually was more active (I won't give any own opinion before seeing evidence because it would be pointless)? 

    About the first issue I still think you made a big noise out of a small thing. As long as there's no rule about it the goal is valid, the same would have been with any other team. Positive thing in this was only that it opened discussion about rule changes that are needed. By saying "rules were what they were" I meant that all of us had the chance to read the rule book already in start of the season, we all had a chance to suggest adding what ever we saw would make the rules more fair but still nobody pointed out that the rulebook didn't have anything said about player glitches even thought in first patch those were even more general. Even I did notice there was nothing said about it in the beginning of the season but I just accepted the risk. So basically, if you did read the rules you also accept that we're playing with the rules we have, if something's missing it can be added later but it doesn't have any effect on games that were played before changes were made.

    I don't know enough about the Synergy-SSG case to really comment and it seems like the staff was between a rock and a hard place with the decision. The Christmas holidays are definitely a tricky time to schedule any kind of games, let alone ECL playoffs where people understandably want to play with their best 6. However, there was a case in the Rynnäkköviikset-SIKA -series where SIKA's goalie froze up during a Rynnäkköviikset attack. RV tried their damnest to score on him but couldn't capitalize on it. I think later on RV's goalie froze and SIKA capitalized on it. Where's the outrage? :D

    Another thing to keep in mind is, is it commonplace enough to add a rule about it? If there was a rule on it, people could hypothetically fake a glitch during the last minute of the game to gain immunity against a late minute attack. I don't really whether rule or no rule is the right call, and I'm glad we have a staff to decide on that.

  20. Introducing - ECL Divisions

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    1 hour ago, Jnmxxx said:

    Exceptional team status. Exceptional.

    Wondering how this will work. Now after this tournament you have 16 teams for elite division and 16 for pro division yet you have unknown coming in with exceptional team status. You have set elite and pro division to have 16 teams each, teams has fought hard for these spots for over 40 games. Are you going to drop one of these teams for unknown? I reckon similar things are bound to happen alot.

    Whole exceptional team status is kind of controversy. Where you are going to draw a line? Who gets accepted and who doesnt?

    The same question applies to a team taking a break for a season and returning for the next one: Will the next season be played with 17 teams or will less teams get promoted?

  21. Introducing - ECL Divisions

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    44 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

    @tbnantti If I could like your post 10 times I would. Encouraging team longevity is at the core of the division system presented here and I have never believed in that thing. This is the fundamental point of contention I have with Kenu's vision.

    That's the second time I like a post of yours today, after the ECL wishlist post about fearing that the division system would cater only to top guys.

    Yes, I know, I am very smart. 

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  22. Introducing - ECL Divisions

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    Another thing I would like to add is I don't get the love for the longevity of teams. Sure, I guess it has a certain romantic aspect to it, but players create new teams to up their competitiveness, and to leave teams with bad chemistry either on or off the ice. I'm not sure how implementing a system where creating a new team is discouraging is supposed to increase the competitiveness of the league. Just something to keep in mind. :ph34r:

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  23. Introducing - ECL Divisions

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    3 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    Well since your asking me for my opinion.  I dont believe there are more than 12 truly elite teams. Bottom 4 Elite and Top 4 Pro doesnt have much of a skillgap. Which is why it makes sense having all of those 8 teams involved in promotion/demotion.

    Well, looks like Viktor said what I was trying to say while I was typing my message. :D

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  24. Introducing - ECL Divisions

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    10 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:

    So instead you want that next season, 2 of elite category teams destroy pro division and 2 pro division teams are punchbags in elite division? I for example dont believe that would be the case since #15-#18 teams skill gap isnt that wide but you seem to think so?

    Just speculating here, picking 16 teams with the best PPG for Elite right now:

    Written in the Stars
    Northern Stars
    Finnish Roosters
    X Factor
    Dynasty
    Nordic Blizzard
    Refuse to Lose
    White Trash
    Aapon Taikasauva
    Laser HT
    SIKA
    MUKIMIEHET
    Synergy Hockey
    Northern Ascendancy
    Nordic Lightning
    Nordic Nightmare

    Pro teams looking for promotion would include Sjukstugan, Fat Cats, Alliance HT etc.

    Looking through the teams, the skill gap between the worst teams in Elite and the best teams in Pro is minimal and in some cases might even favor the Pro teams. Again, I'm just speculating here, but going through that list I could definitely pick at least two teams that - barring some big transfers - would get relegated 99% of the time. So I guess what i'm saying is that the promotion/relegation without a playoff is fine, but I would like to see that kind of qualification round implemented anyhow.

     

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