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Exceptional team status. Exceptional.

Wondering how this will work. Now after this tournament you have 16 teams for elite division and 16 for pro division yet you have unknown coming in with exceptional team status. You have set elite and pro division to have 16 teams each, teams has fought hard for these spots for over 40 games. Are you going to drop one of these teams for unknown? I reckon similar things are bound to happen alot.

Whole exceptional team status is kind of controversy. Where you are going to draw a line? Who gets accepted and who doesnt?

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3 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

@Jnmxxx The auto-relegated spot raises the stakes of the points race in the regular season for bottom teams in higher divisions. Can't you trade a little bit of competitiveness (and really as has been exposed, that bit is so little that it might not even exist at all) for some extra excitement? It's also a reward for teams that suffer through entier lower division reason and playoffs win. I think it's fine to give a guaranteed spot (or 2 as it is described but I think 1 would be better, anyway same principle).

On a side note I quite dislike the top-player-centric turn this discussion seems to be taking. Also, I feel like the valid points I make are being drwoned in petty quarrels, that's not cool.

Well it took only about 10 posts that somebody could give me a valid reason why the auto relegation is a good thing. Thanks for that and maybe 1 spot would do the trick?

I haven't thought it that way

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3 minutes ago, Jesus said:

 

If your #15 or #16 you don't belong with the big dogs. 

 

I exited this conversation already but i have to ask, what makes you think that #17 and #18 belongs with big dogs more?

Because thats what they are. Pro division 1 and 2 really are just #17 and #18 unless proven otherwise = relegation series.

But now, please dont quote me on subject. It's harder than i thought to stop arguing this and to be honest its not even that big of a deal if theres straight promotions or not.

And i agree with you, 3 divisions is too many at this current state of the community. Maybe in future.

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I'm not going to argue on this subject anymore since i feel that we are not going anywhere in this conversation. I'm sure everybody got my point and i understand your point so i guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Once more, its stupid

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22 minutes ago, Jesus said:

A series is unfair, since division 1 teams have a better pool of players to choose from. This does also apply to div 2 and 3. How is my team filled with otp-player suppose to compete against a higher division team in a series on a fair level?

I think that is reason enough to skip the idea of a series. If you win or get second in your division, you have earned your spot in a higher division. The natural progression of this, is that you also will be able to attract better players in the new division.

This is not a problem. However, it is a problem for a lot of for example, div 2 players. Many players taking part in the sucess of a div 2 team reaching the highest division, will not get any playing time in the highest division. They will get replaced and stop playing. The same goes for new div 2 teams.

Unfair? Is it fair to #15 and #16 teams that they go straight to lower division without the chance to prove that they are infact better and more suitable to elite division than pro division #1 and #2?

If you cant win the damn series your team doesnt belong with the big dogs.

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1 minute ago, Jesus said:

I'm the perfect example of someone who dosen't sell his friends for "succes" lol.

Dude. Reality is. Most division 1 teams will have gigantic rosters. Most of these players will be inactive during seasons. But when a new div 2 team arrives, they will see their chance to get some playing time.

This is what will happen. Of course new div 1 teams will add a lot of new good players to their team. You live in this fantasy world, where you think good playerswanna play in div 2 or 3.

Already today we can see it. Most teams active haven't sticked together from the begining. It's teams consisting of different constellations.

I still cant see how it would be different if teams get promoted straight or through series?

I get your point and i agree with you but this has nothing to do with my posts whatsoever.

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4 minutes ago, BUM3R said:

Can u imagine that some top players wouldnt re-create a teams so they would have to battle from 3rd division?! Just an opinion

Some of "top players" seem to create team after every tournament, either way.

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1 minute ago, cHIIMEERa said:

Well since your asking me for my opinion.  I dont believe there are more than 12 truly elite teams. Bottom 4 Elite and Top 4 Pro doesnt have much of a skillgap. Which is why it makes sense having all of those 8 teams involved in promotion/demotion.

This is something i can agree with you. And by the way if we would put those 12 "elite" teams in regular season, there would still be few punching bags who would most likely finish the tournament only with few wins.

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5 minutes ago, Jesus said:

But most top players will still wanna play in div 1. You don't believe that a div 2 team that reaches the highest division will trade new div 1 players to their team?

 

For example i wouldnt. I play in a team with full of players i want to play with. If we get promoted to elite division i wouldnt change a thing and to be honest, who would? Isnt that sign of good players and team play if you manage to reach the elite division?

But maybe that is difference between me and you, you like to sell your friends for "succes".

And is it any different if they get promoted straight or through series?

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4 minutes ago, Jesus said:

It's not that simple. One reason why most leagues have 2 spots open for the newcomers is the fact that div 2 teams rarely competes with div 1 fairly. Div 2 usually, don't have the resources of attracting as good players. They can only start building, when they reach division 1.

So in fact. To only have play in will always be in favor of the div 1 team. Not fair play.

 

This is not real life where teams has player budget and shit. This doesnt apply in this community.

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2 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

Thats the thing. I dont think there are enough "PRO" teams that can contest "The Elites" in a BO7

So instead you want that next season, 2 of elite category teams destroy pro division and 2 pro division teams are punchbags in elite division? I for example dont believe that would be the case since #15-#18 teams skill gap isnt that wide but you seem to think so?

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10 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

You've got a point. But on the other hand you're one step closer to a closed division if you dont. And we're trying to avoid that

It's far from closed division since every team still will have a chance to get promoted to elite division. If they are not good enough to beat #15 and #16 in relegation series then they are not good enough to play in elite division. It's really simple and im actually amazed that somebody will talk about "competitive" divisions and still leaves a chance that actually elite division does not have the top 16 teams in there. 

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Why there is 2 guaranteed promotion and relegation spots? IMO there should always be promotion/relegation series. If theres guarenteed promotions then there is huge chance that there is NOT 16 best teams in elite division. Just plain stupid.