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I've been reading this conversationβif you can call it thatβfor a while and have been thinking about writing, so now's the time. There have been some good arguments for both sides and some really uneducated ones that I want to comment on. If you're only going to read the TL;DR and get mad, please also read the paragraph about it before losing your marbles. TL;DR: BS goals close to the net happen with or without close quarters, and defenses should be punished for allowing someone to shoot from that close. It is easy to defend one-tees if you're playing actively and not just standing in front of the net. Goalies will make saves they shouldnβt, with or without traits on the shooter or the goalie. The game auto-aims poke checks ridiculously well, with or without stick 'em up, though stick 'em up does improve aim slightly especially from awkward positions. Truculence makes the "rhino" playstyle too effective, and you can't counter hit after making a play. Banning everything would make passive defending more effective than aggressive defending. -> Let's just stand in front of the net and counter attack, yay free points. A large portion of goals already come from counter attacks, and it's much harder to score in 5v5 offensive zone situations than it is to defend them. Banning traits would only enforce this more. Golden one-tee and golden close quarters don't cause goals against well-structured defensesβthey just punish defensive mistakes. Poor communication on SportsGamer's behalf is a major issue in this situation as well. A lot of people have claimed that close quarters (CC) causes BS goals. It's true that you can score BS goals close to the net with or without CC, and it probably happens slightly more often with it. However, it's also a fact that goalies can absolutely rob you, even when sliding away from the shot and exposing an open netβsomething that, in my experience, happens more often than CC goals. Since CC only activates at close range, I donβt see how itβs unfair for those shots to sometimes go through the goalie. If you allow someone to take a shot from that close, they should have a higher chance of scoring. It's even realistic that shots from close range occasionally trickle through the goalie, and in my opinion, it's a good thing for the game that these shots are rewarded. For the one-tee (1T) trait, I have similar thoughts. As a defender, it's incredibly easy to position yourself in the passing lane and prevent your man from getting 1T shot off. The 1T trait only makes a difference if you're standing right next to the attackerβthen golden 1T might allow a shot that otherwise wouldnβt happen. More importantly, it's fun and rewarding to play active defense rather than just standing in front of the net, especially when thereβs a risk-reward balance in benefit of playing aggressively. Yes, golden 1T allows for some unrealistic shots, but without the 1T threat, defenses tend to clog the middle of the zone, making offensive play more dull and predictable. When scoring becomes too difficult, defenders have no reason to spread out and/or take risks, leading to a game based more on luck than skill, for example, when forcing the puck towards the goal with passes or outside shots. There's also been a lot of discussion about stick 'em up (SEU). I think poke checks in this game are already unrealistically good, even without SEU. For example, if you press R1 while an opponent is mid-deke, the game automatically aims at the puck, regardless of whether you have SEU equipped. With SEU, poke checks can connect slightly better espcially from worse positions, even behind your back, and the manual poke moves a bit faster. Iβve played with both elite and casual players, and Iβve heard complaints about SEU from bothβoften from players who skated straight into a poke check. Thatβs why I think SEU is too often used as a scapegoat for own mistakes. Personally, I donβt care whether itβs banned or not, since it doesnβt drastically alter gameplay like banning 1T would. Some people have said theyβve seen even elite defenders struggle without SEU, but if youβve used a trait for nearly six months, it makes sense that it would take time to adjust even if the change is small. Another hot topic this year has been truculence. Personally, Iβve always preferred gameplay without it. Without trucu, you can still land hits when it's realisticβand even when it's not realistic. But with trucu, you can too often hit someone just by making contact, even if theyβre skating at full speed past you or you're trailing behind them at the same speed. I donβt think itβs overpowered or game breaking, but it does make the rhino playstyle too effective. As for counter hitting, sometimes it works against trucu, and sometimes it doesnβtβbut in many situations, counter hitting isnβt the best move anyway. Often it's smarter to take a hit to make a play rather than trying to counter hit. Also you get penalised too rarely from boarding, charging or interferences after touching the puck so running aroung hitting people with trucu is not my preference of gameplay. I think the biggest issue in all of this is the skill gap, which affects how gameplay feels across different leagues. Iβm speaking from an elite perspective (I'm not above anyone. I'm not the best, nor am I even close, just a nerd about this stuff), where defensive mistakesβlike allowing a wide-open 1T shot or letting someone walk in front of the netβshould be rare. When these mistakes do happen, they should be punished. I don't really know how the gameplay is in lite or core division so I can't really speak on that but for me defensive mistakes should always be punished. The challenge is that elite and pro divisions need to have the same rules, and ideally, every division should follow the same ruleset. One reason elite players are "whining" about this situation is the unbelievably poor communication surrounding these bans. When the first national leagues started, it was easy to predict that traits would also be banned in FCL, and it was likely decided early onβbut why wasn't there an announcement as soon as the decision was made? And if the decision was made at the last second, why wait that long? This could have been decided right after the elite finals, giving players at least two and a half weeks of notice. Communication has always been a huge problem here and I don't understand how it still is after many many years. Banning everything would make passive defending more effective than aggressive defending, leading to fewer quality scoring chances and more skating and passing around the corners. Large part of goals already come from counter-attacks, and it's much harder to score in a structured 5v5 offensive situation than it is to defend one. If scoring becomes even harder, it will lead to more goals from lucky bounces. BS goals will always happen, with or without traits, so banning everything for that reason alone is shortsighted. The one exception in scoring traits, in my opinion, is tipper. Golden tipper can create a meta where players just fire pucks on net from anywhere, making it the most effective strategy. I donβt see why we should ban all golden traits just for the sake of gameplay balance. Doing so would shift the game toward a more passive playstyle, as silver 1T is significantly worse than its golden counterpart. Even with banning golden traits, traits would still be used as scapegoats, and people would still complain and gameplay would swift towards a more passive oneβso no one would actually be happy. Thatβs how compromises work, though, so I understand it. That said, golden 1T and golden CC arenβt causing goals against well-structured defensesβtheyβre just punishing defensive mistakes.8 points
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GOLDEN BUFFALOS: π¦¬π Sign: @Patzlaf @Borjendahlen @Brain I 34 (BrainTheGoalie)3 points
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Hey! I am "rather" experienced Ukrainian (ECL Pro/Lite/Core - Several seasons) EASHL player (and 1-2 div HUT-player if applicable). I definately can be helpful and useful, and I am looking for a team with ambitions and passion for the game we love. So, I am looking for a team for the upcoming ECL season (prefer Pro and Lite) on LW/C/RW positions. My Xbox gametag: Hockeyfear. https://sportsgamer.gg/players/6120 Looking forward for cooperation...3 points
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SportsGamers, This news story is intended to help understand the ECL Ranking for teams at the end of the ECL '25: Winter season. This ranking determines the eligibility for teams entering various divisions this upcoming ECL '25: Spring season. Below you will find a list of teams that have secured a division spot at the Elite, Pro, or Lite league level. If you didn't find your team on the list, don't worry! You can apply for a wildcard spot for your team in the Pro qualifiers or participate in the Lite qualifiers, which are open to everyone. Please note that the Qualifiers will be starting very soon and the registration time will be short, so start mentally and psychologically preparing for them as we look to release the ECL '25: Spring registrations later this week. Elite 1 Elite π Parasite 2 Elite π₯ Mustaa Kultaa 3 Elite 3 Tohtorit 4 Elite 4 Voittamaton 5 Elite 5 Mythix 6 Elite 6 The Black Jacks 7 Elite 7 EXEN 8 Elite 8 GOONS 9 Elite 9 Polski Boys 10 Elite 10 TIKI TALK 11 Elite 11 Vesa Pompa 12 Elite 12 Heimo 13 βΆ Elite 14 Renascor 14 β² Pro π₯ Blackbirds 15 β² Pro π₯ SSK ESPORTS 16 β² Pro 4 NOVA Elite Qualifiers (if needed) 1 βΌ Elite 13 Roots Gaming 2 βΌ Elite 15 Falun Coal Miners 3 βΌ Elite 16 Unwanted 4 Pro 3 Otukset 5 Pro 5 POGGERS 6 Pro 6 RYHTIC 7 Pro 7 Ismon Valinta 8 Pro 8 Herlev Eagles Pro 1 βΌ Elite 13 Roots Gaming 2 βΌ Elite 15 Falun Coal Miners 3 βΌ Elite 16 Unwanted 4 Pro 3 Otukset 5 Pro 5 POGGERS 6 Pro 6 RYHTIC 7 Pro 7 Ismon Valinta 8 Pro 8 Herlev Eagles 9 Pro 9 NOSTREETSPORTS 10 Pro 10 DILAC 11 Pro 11 Zenegeim 12 Pro 12 Gotham Knights 13 Pro 13 HC Lugano eSports 14 Pro 14 Aspyre 15 Pro 15 Bjorkloven Esport 16 Pro 16 The Oldtimers 17 Pro 17 Owned Hexa 18 Pro 18 Finnish Roosters 19 Pro 19 Vizio 20 Pro 20 Sawolanche 21 Pro 21 Serpentes 22 Pro 22 Golden Sticks 23 β² Lite π₯ Sunne IK Esport 24 β² Lite π₯ Setelikerho 25 β² Lite π₯ Project X Pro Qualifier Wildcard requirements Three former Elite starters or four former Pro starters A starter is defined as having played 16 or more games in the ECL '25: Winter season, or 16 or more games in the ECL '24: Spring season If there are more players from the same team that were relegated out of the division Pro (in the same season) in the team applying for a wildcard, they may be counted as one player. The League Administration reserves the right to interpretations of this depending on the specific circumstances of the situation. What if all Pro Qualifier positions are not filled? Teams will not be promoted straight and all open spots will be filled through qualifiers (excluding automatically relegated/promoted teams). If there happens to be more open spots than anticipated (e.g. from teams disbanding which would have been invited to play in the qualifier) spots are filled as follows: Pro relegated teams Wildcard teams Lite #17-32 Pro Qualifiers 1 Pro 23 Devilz 2 Pro 24 Nurnberg IceTigers eSport 3 Pro 25 Mights 4 Pro 26 Cheeky Grinders 5 Pro 27 Nordic Stars 6 Pro 28 Red Bull Munich eSports 7 Lite 4 Farmalaget 8 Lite 5 Kertoimia Vastaan 9 Lite 6 Six Sticks Misfits 10 Lite 7 Seinajoki Noms 11 Lite 8 Including Me 12 Lite 9 Puck Over Glass 13 Lite 10 Kikkakirja 14 Lite 11 MoDo Hockey 15 Lite 12 Ruuti 16 Lite 13 SSK Prospects 17 Lite 14 HC Pustertal eSports 18 Lite 15 HC VADELMA 19 Lite 16 Kolikot Esports 20 Wildcard 21 Wildcard 22 Wildcard 23 Wildcard 24 Wildcard Lite 1 βΌ Pro 29 AFTERLIFE 2 βΌ Pro 30 Deadly Phantoms 3 βΌ Pro 31 Refuse Too Lose 4 βΌ Pro 32 Kymmenelta Clubille 5 Lite 17 Toukokuu 6 Lite 18 Hopfensmoothie HC 7 Lite 19 ACEsquad 8 Lite 20 Hockeyholics 9 Lite 21 Macho HC 10 Lite 22 Wida 11 Lite 23 Eisbaeren Lauf Gaming 12 Lite 24 VitosVitja 13 Lite 25 VBO STARS 14 Lite 26 DEG eSports 15 Lite 27 UnderRated 16 Lite 28 SCB eSports 17 Lite 29 Technical Disaster 18 Lite 30 Saucer Hockey 19 Lite 31 German Ice Gladiators 20 Lite 32 Coup de Grace 21 Lite 33 Darra Stars 22 Lite 34 Jurricanes 23 Lite 35 KohKae Esports 24 Lite 36 Black Sharks 25 Lite 37 Pata Hellalla 26 Lite 38 Carolus Icemen 27 Lite 39 Woodhands 28 Lite 40 Gleumes Hockey Krefeld 29 Lite 41 Calippo HC 30 Lite 42 BOOMERS 31 Lite 43 Team Infernus 32 Lite 44 Moscow Capitals 33 Lite 45 Taisto 34 Lite 46 Trojans 35 Lite 47 SSK Academy 36 Lite 48 Game Over Esports 37 Lite 49 Iserlohn Roosters eSports 38 Lite 50 Belissimo 39 β² Coreπ₯ Silver Sword Griffins 40 β² Core π₯ KOST Wolves 41 β² Core π₯ Rusty X 42 β² Core 4 Lutunilkat 43 β² Core 5 Tikitaka 44 β² Core 6 Turun Gasellit 45 β² Core 7 Karmadillos 46 β² Core 8 HC Last Resort All teams without an Elite, Pro, or Lite league spot can participate and choose to apply for ECL Lite without restrictions. There will be no ECL Lite qualifier for ECL '25: Spring, but a maximum of 64 teams can participate in the season, so signing up on time is encouraged. Spots will be filled in the order of registration. As always, League Administration will monitor sign-ups and reserve the right to step in to make sure teams don't sign up too high or low compared to their perceived skill level.3 points -
The ECL is the pinnacle of European NHL esports. The abbreviation stands for the European Championship League and it features NHL 6v6 esports in five divisions aimed at various skill levels. Every player, including the goalies, is controlled by a human. League games are played in the EASHL mode and the platform is PlayStation and Xbox. ECL has been played since 2015, so the upcoming season is already the 20th. The latest addition to the ECL product family is a 1v1 tournament, where Europe's best solo players fight for the championship. ECL 1v1 has been played since the ECL '23 Winter season. Basic information/requirements of ECL: Regional restrictions: ECL is a European tournament format, however, we do not necessarily exclude players located in North America or Asia. A European server will always be used. We reserve the right to exclude teams or players in case of severe connection issues. Individual requirements: Each player needs to have an account at SportsGamer.GG and create their personal player card. ECL licenses: Teams in ECL Elite & ECL Pro, ECL Lite, and ECL Core will require their respective ECL ‘25: Winter team licenses in order to play. In addition, every player in the above-mentioned divisions needs to have a valid ECL ‘25: Player License or ECL ‘25: Winter Player License before taking the ice. Players in ECL Neo require only an ECL '25: Winter Neo Player License. Rules: The ECL '25: Spring rulebook will be an updated version of the '25 Spring Winter, you can check out last season's rules here. The decision regarding the Banned Abilities conversation will be communicated this week. The divisions framework for the ECL ‘25 season will follow the same logic as for previous seasons. We will have a total of five divisions with the following team allocation: Elite 16 teams Pro 32 teams Lite 64 teams Core (up to) 128 teams and Neo 32+ teams. Please refer to this ECL Ranking in order to understand which teams are eligible to sign up for each division. Generally speaking, teams that are new to the ECL will start in the Neo or Core division. However, it is possible to apply for the ECL Lite qualifications to prove that you can compete at that level. Don't have a team yet? Team looking for additions to your roster? If you are a free agent looking to be picked up, please head over here . If you are representing a team looking for players, please head over here. Hall of Fame: The ECL Champions so far ECL 6v6: ECL 1: Nordic Blizzard ECL 2: Mukimiehet ECL 3: X Factor ECL 4: Laser HT ECL 5: Aapon Taikasauva ECL 6: Carlsberg HC ECL 7: FILADELPHIA ECL 8: Written In the Stars ECL 9: Linköping HC ECL 10: HAVU Gaming ECL 11: FILADELPHIA ECL 12: hREDS ECL '22: Grand Champion: hREDS ECL '22 Winter: hREDS ECL '22 Spring: hREDS ECL '23: Grand Champion: Tunnel Vision ECL '23 Winter: Tunnel Vision ECL '23 Spring: Tunnel Vision ECL '24: Winter Champion: hREDS ECL '24: Spring Champion: Tunnel Vision ECL '25: Winter Champion: Parasite ECL 1v1: ECL '23: Winter: Sisu "sisu33_" Nurminen ECL '23: Spring: Väinö "Pikkarii" Pikkarainen ECL '24: Grand Champion: Teemu "Temppanen" Karvonen ECL '24: Winter: Erik "EkiOriginal" Tammenpää ECL '24: Spring: Väinö "Pikkarii" Pikkarainen2 points -
Free LD.....Prefer lite/core PSN:Renttu872 points
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TRANSFER DEADLINE SIGNING ALERT!ππΌββοΈ NOSTREETSPORTS in: @Hoykkis Welcome HΓΆkΓΆπ€πΌ
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Free lw ECL Psn:TansKungen Dc:TansKungen_ only finnish team!2 points
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Free backup (C/D) for FCL discord:hoykkis https://sportsgamer.gg/players/36392 points
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Free fcl backup prefer2 points
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EisbΓ€ren Lauf Gaming (ECL LITE) is looking for Defender LD or RD (Starter Role) Goalie (Starter Role) What we expect: Good communication skills Team player mentality At least ECL Lite experience What we offer: Performance-based roster with players from different countries (Finland, Germany, Austria) Clear club structures Established ice hockey organization β online & offline Interested? Feel free to contact me directly. https://sportsgamer.gg/leagues/413/teams/1893 https://discord.gg/m68Xue8EVV https://www.instagram.com/eisbaeren_lauf_gaming/1 point
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Just little move when you are screened fixes your problem1 point
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Gameplay without abilitys allows teams to play passive defence and just counter attack. Its so hard to score without abilities so we see more goals from forces and when u just throw puck to the net and hope. Yes its same for everyone but it helps worse teams to have better chance to win against better teams. So imo its more RNG and make gameplay unfair for better teams.1 point
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Maitojuna IN: @Yaredhagos @tigerrbackwoods @Kahvinpapu @Jakke OUT: RAMIFIN, Finniko22, Savox97, Toimitetulla
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TIKI TALK: FCL βββββββββββ DEFENSEMAN OR FWD We are looking for a 50/50 OR starter defenseman or forward for FCL. If you prove yourself to being an asset for the team during FCL, it is possible to break into the main ECL lineup aswell! Previous experience from Elite or Pro isnβt required, if you think you have what it takes shoot me a msg! βββββββββββ- Contact me here, or on discord @Pensasmies if you are intrested.1 point
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goalie is realy bad without abilities, its realy hard to catch this one timers. i was thinking abilities dont change goalies, but now i think its helps a lot to goalies, yeah skaters abilities is overpowered but goalie without abilities is just redicilously worse. like game is designed that one timers timed right gonna be powerfull, so its makes us goalies let in easy onetimers just because we dont get this extra boost from no timer, and if we dont use xray we get blocked vision by players in front realy easy. game without abilities is slower, is more bs happening because its was not made to play like that, about goalies you can realy tell they was build to be balanced from EA view when they forced to use this abilities, so if you dont use it, you not complete goalie ready to game and he is making lot of bs. Also now you dont build goalie like standup or hyb to get this extra boost to help you save games, you just us one build doesnt matter, gonna happen this to skaters also, because abilities was making your builds individual like you need to take that give there points to get this.0 points
