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Only Big tipper ban! Gameplay is good atm no need to change anything!

No need to change anything. Only Big Tipper Ban!!!

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Why change something that works? Like honestly all of this hassle is so useless, the gameplay is fine as is and banning all perks is the worst option.

First of all, we need more than a couple of days to draw any conclusions whether the xf ban was good or not. We need a whole tournament of actual competitive gameplay which we're gonna get plenty of in the regional leagues 👏 First impressions though: -XF abilities clearly didn't boost the player stats only, they opened multiple animations & auto-rewarding nonsense. Meaning not only more accurate shots or faster pokes, but also accurate shots from weird-ass positions and R1-tap pokes towards your blind spots just like that -The gameplay feels more consistent. Less rng and unrealistic plays (like the shot animations) - just like we anticipated months ago. Whether it's actually a positive or negative thing, we'll see. -Goalies still float -Shots in tight don't go in nearly as often if the goalie is well positioned Personally I'm excited how the regional leagues will turn out. I'm also impressed how @Kenu & the folks made a bold move by banning 'em all. That's what the majority of the community wanted to test. Let's see where things will go from here

The gamplay without traits is so nice! No gold truc for people who can't hit on a regular basis, less Ovechkins on the ice, and less bs close quarters goals, sist men inte minst, less golden stick em up bs aswell. You actually get rewarded for great defense now, haven't enjoyed 6s gameplay in a while, but this is so smooth and nice. Huge W!

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Ban big tipper only

Why ban something without correct poll? Only ban Big tipper and this game is best in years.

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Having played 10+ games of no abilities gameplay I think there's some upsides, but one major downside with the change. I think the gameplay itself is pretty good now, especially because of no golden stick em ups. But that said, I think the core gameplay was already very good, even with abilities. For me the BIG issue now is the lack of one timer threats. I do see how gold one tee can be considered OP, but the fact that defensive teams had to always defend for it, opened up the offensive gameplay. This I think is a huge L for the gameplay in general, because it makes passing plays for one timers less rewarding while driving people to force plays to the net (which they were already doing even with those one tee options) I personally now believe the best of both worlds would be achieved by banning only Gold x-factors. Silver abilities don't feel at all gamebreaking, and for example silver one tee would bring back that passing threat when currently it isn't really there...

I know reading comprehension levels worsen year by year in the society, but holy hell For my confused finnish bretheren, I recommend googling some information about ”vertauskuva” or ”satiiri”, for example. Oh yeah, we were talking about NHL traits and I’m totally making it a society-wide issue again, sorry (😢). Let me start with a small reminder of what Kenu himself said: As I’ve tried to point out earlier as well, simply posting ”ban x but not y because everything is good right now” copy&pasted 5 times in a row is not constructive nor well-reasoned. Just write something in any language you feel you can get your point across with, and then you’ll have an actual chance to affect something. Spelling doesn’t matter, the content of your message does. The things you’re actually trying to say. Anyways, that’s enough about that for now. I have personally found the game a lot more fun with the abilities banned, not being able to poke behind your back & teleport a few meters into a 1T animation. It has felt like you actually need to use your brain more in regards to how you position yourself and so on, as a few others have said here. That being said, I somewhat get the point about 1T forcing teams to defend more aggressively. Banning only the golden abilities could be a fine compromise like some have suggested here. Still, I’d first like to see some actual competitive games to really see the effects, as we now will with these national leagues. I know I’ll get misunderstood more or less intentionally by some, but let me cap this tirade off with another Kenu quote: From what I’ve gathered (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong), a good portion of the top players currently (still) refuse to practice (or at least play drafts) without abilities, even though they have registered for FCL. I know you have probably tried a few games here and there & have a lot of expectations and ideas about what the gameplay will be, but come on now. Give it a proper try, and then come back here with your informed opinion. Every time the meta changes, playstyles take a little while to evolve. Just think about the beginning of every NHL that has seen a noticeable change in gameplay. Finally & lastly, posting screenshots where the opponent is clearly fooling around is useless, get some real gameplay from proper games and then make your case – or don’t. Writing this has once again been way too time consuming for the amount of care I have for whether there are any bans or not – all options are tolerable, even though I do currently enjoy the bans the most.

To be fair (and I think it is always important to be exactly that when arguing different viewpoints) there were pages upon pages of people writing in "BanThemAll +1" before the last ECL. We're talking up to almost 100 different posts of people saying exactly that. That was easily the most vocal group at the time and the group that were the most organized in getting their opinion across. Go back and check somewhere around Page 6 to like Page 10. This was something that was definitely requested by a lot of people. And this is coming from someone who was initially against banning all traits. Let's be fair, let's stick to facts and let's try to engage with the opposing parties best argument, not their worst ( = Swedes bad, no Finns bad, no Swedes bad etc.).

I don’t know how many polls we need to arrange to come to the conclusion that the majority (of the top two leagues at least) are in favor of keeping things as they are with only Big Tipper being banned. Or are we voting until we come to a conclusion that satisfies SG by banning them all? That’s what it feels like. I’m in favor of keeping things untouched from the previous ECL, for reasons mentioned in my previous post. The gameplay is more open with X-Factors.

We are talking about NHL traits…..

Yes, you are absolutely right. I can take an example from my own life. I have worked in the Swedish Armed Forces for more years than many in here are old. Every damn year we are forced to train with soldiers from Finland. And yes, they have a rather low level of skill and training compared to many other countries in Northern Europe. The exercises are always boring, and their solutions to problems are very different from ours both tactically and strategically. But now it is the case that NATO has decided that Finland is our forward operating area for the Swedish forces. Then it would be incredibly stupid to piss on your Finnish colleagues, when they do not share our values and our view of how things should be solved strategically. Because it is with these Finnish soldiers that we will die together when the shit hits the fan. I have to accept that the Finnish soldiers also have an opinion, and a right to think. If I don't, I am absolutely convinced that the Finnish soldiers will shoot me before the Russians do. What you are doing now in here is fucking sick. You sit and call people bad just because they do not share your opinion. Do you really think that the players in Core and NEO dare to write an opinion in here just because you are a bunch of arrogant little kids? Even Finns who have never won anything in here sit and call people bad. Come on, step up. And those who have won, they work with the same method. And it's almost more fucking pathetic.

Very arrogant way to look at things! Just because someone doesnt share your opinion in something doesnt mean it is trolling I want all abilities ban! I enjoy the gameplay more that way! But calling people stupid for enjoying something that you yourself dont enjoy is a very arrogant way at looking at things in both life and in this case I accept the players who think abilities is fine! That is your opinion, but dont call me or anyone else who enjoys something else stupid, cause that has been the case in this discussion! That way people dont dare stand up for what they believe in cause if they write what they actually think they just get the best players in the scene hounding them calling them "shit" "skill issue" stuff like that

This game version has been built around those x-factors/traits and thats why playing without those is so silly and boring to play and as a viewer even more boring to watch and it makes like shots, hits etc so useless. Lets imagine like people are playing Counter Strike but then you should just use weapons without any scopes, magazines etc. Its just not working that way. Those weapon attachments belongs to that game like x-factors/traits belongs to this NHL version. Hopefully someones got my point.

Reminder of vote results from 6s draft discord.

Oh yeah, one more thing about the draft channel vote(s) that get shared here from time to time. As we can see in this thread, going against the grain / top top players’ opinion can lead to some pretty nasty stuff being said to you & getting all kinds of reactions (& DMs…) Now combine that with an open, public vote where everyone can see what you voted for. See the problem? Not saying that the results would necessarily be any different, but imo there’s a realistic threat of some people not daring to vote in fear of getting blacklisted, or even straight up receiving hate. This community has a lot of relatively young people, and standing up against something isn’t always the easiest thing to do. Surrendering to herd mentality without much thought, on the other hand… So, without going too tin foil hat, my point is that a proper poll is an anonymous one, and I know SG has the tools for that. Other polls can have some value as conversation starters for example, but decisions shouldn’t be made based on those. In real elections, voter secrecy excists for a reason.

U are maybe correct? The problem with this is If u enjoy abilities there is always gonna be a problem with some goals going in because of it! Nothing in this game is completely well done and thought through correctly. With every 7 gold one tees that go in cleanly like they should there will be 3-4 that go through the goalie But on the other hand is if you enjoy no abilities is that gameplay is not gonna be perfect either With every 7 one tee u score cleanly without any abilities u will miss 3-4 open nets on them aswell that should go in The game is far from perfect nothing we are gonna get through this discussion will lead to "perfection" u just simply have to state what you find the most reasonable and what you prefer.

Maybe? i dont know i dont believe so But this arrogant way of looking at things is not the way to go. Come with arguments for why you like abilities without putting other people down and calling them bots

Ban big tipper then gameplay is good!

What? Gameplay mechanics like this in other titles is exactly what the X-Factors were modeled after. Ultis, different abilities in different player classes etc. As for the other part of the msg, the best will still be the best irregardless of XF. This debate is about the gameplay experience.

???.. Have u watched FIFA or mby NBA as well. There are traits just like in NHL that are used in comp. Also im pretty sure there are many n many others games that has same kind of perks or traits in comp.

Is it totally out of question that different divisions have different rules on the subject? It seems like majority of ELITE and PRO players are against the bans while lower divisions seem to prefer the bans more.

My thoughts after the GCL Regular Season. The way teams play has not changed much, at least not yet. Fast players are still the key factor. Maybe nothing will change that meta ever. What has changed for me is the feeling of what happens in the game. Events feels to have more natural and skill based reason for why it happens. It can be a mistake or a good play that leads to a goal or something else on the ice. Of course, these things have always been there, but with X-Factor abilities, it often felt like something happened because of that special ability. There were many different types of goals in these games, both earned and lucky. One-timer is still an effective way to score. Those are just a bit more rare than with x-factors, in a good way. Overall, the game feels much more natural in a positive way.

That was maybe unnecessary comment but talking about playing without abilities, I wont never get how u are thinking playing without abilities are better. First of all I think u havent played single game against any top elite team. Then what fun u see about going back forcing meta and most of goals will be forces through skates and tips. I dont also understand why u feel that golden stick em up is too op, I think its rewarding play lose puck when u cant protect puck (even with stick em up u still sometimes dont get puck when u should). Without stick em up gameplay would go direction where players will just hustle through enemies and that wouldnt make any sense. If u have troubles against pokes and I havent see any other complaining about that, solution isnt that it will be banned and remove rest of the skillgap of the game.

I dont know if i have to repeat myself I have played with both abilities and no abilities I get that abilities are part of the game. I enjoy the gameplay without abilities more i have found it more fun to play. Whatever u say wont change my mind It is fine to discuss things why u like it this way but dont come at me or anyone else saying we enjoy it more without and call us bots or saying skill issue dont be an arrogant guy and just state your argument for why u want abilities in the game Not gonna take anything you write seriously since u probably gonna retire again in like 3 months for what is it? The 4th time? I have lost count

ban only bigtipper then we have the best possible version of this game

abilitys is part of the game isn’t it? so why we just dosent go back to Nhl21 if we want to play without abilitys? First time we have good game by gameplay and you guys wanna go for that ”hanaa and force” shit again😁

Why we can't play with the features what included in the game? The point is to see which of teams are the best in every league. X-Factors are part of the game, why should they be removed? With abilities it opens up the opportunity for everyone to play to their strengths, some focus on shots / 1T, others on passes and still others on tackles. Now they're all being taken away, so you get the same old crap as you've always had. If there is some overpowered ability like Big Tipper, then keep that banned and let's continue like last ECL. The point is to develop the game, not take it backwards play competitively or less competitively, it's the same... Hopefully SG wake up for ECL and bring the X-Factors back. Changing rules of every tournament are the biggest joke of long time.

Finally someone with common sense typing in this thread. I guess it's hard for some people to be kind against the lower ranked players. Well said Ante 💯🫡

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I agree with this, gameplay without abilities also seems to decrease overall tempo of the game since there is not as much threats😅 Also, one thing I want to mention that I have seen more passes and weak shots straight to logo go in in two days than the whole year combined, no one wants to see those🙄 Lets keep ECL like it was in this winter season when almost no one was complaining about garbage goals for the first time in many years🙏

Love the idea its just not the right time! We have FCL coming up! And tip for decision makers for possible future, make own poll for elite either visible or invisible

Fantastic post 5/5

I kinda understand the decision gamer made since FCL are open for everyone and the majority of players below elite wants everything to be banned. However if we will see another ECL season, we gotta change the bans atleast for elite because most of the players playing in there wants that.

Just gonna make one observation about this topic: the confirmation bias on both sides is like insane 😂 It seems like the people who are for banning all abilities have a blindspot for anything negative with the change, while the opposite is true for anyone against the change. (Examples: anyone who thinks "this will make the gameplay just forces and tips" is going to have that experience, because this is what they look for and go for all the time - even though the change isn't quite that radical. Anyone who thinks "this gameplay will be awesome" will just completely ignore the obvious fact that shots, especially one timers, are now COMICALLY bad. I think I've seen like 2 or 3 one timer goals in 10+ games from further out) The more I think about it, the more I think the right solution is probably somewhere in the middle (only silver abilities for ECL Spring...?)

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That is fine tomboo! It is your opinion, i have a different opinion it is fine I am just writing now cause if we are gonna have a discussion about these things people need to be able to write what they think without being scared of being hounded with comments that you are a bot or have skill issue by the best players in the scene! That is no way to run a democracy! And u guys want a vote right to settle this? Then it needs to be a fair vote where people are not scared to vote against the "elite" guys cause they are scared of getting shit on with comments! That is my whole point If u want my whole reason why i enjoy it more write to me in DM cause i dont wanna fill this thread up with anymore of my opinions since it already has been stated, i want to let other guys write what they think

”Hanaa and force” isn’t our style Mr Buntsel, that’s your gamestyle, and you are pretty good at it! We play our own game🫡

If whole vneks or whatever its called wants everything banned they can continue playing their own swedish league like now

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Everyone who have played without abilitys know that this game is sooooo fun to play when there is no trucu and i really dont understand why people not want that to be banned? and everyone who have played now knows too that if we ban all there not going to be any goals in games and only goals will be force after force, i just pray that we can ban tipper and trucu and not others

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Yeah, I have to say, after playing quite a few games completely without traits: damn, what an improvement in terms of gameplay! No more unrealistic pokes, no more unrealistic hits... you actually have to make an effort to play proper defense now. Less relying on ability-driven RNG, more relying on proper body- and stick positioning. To me, the game feels a lot better now. Since teams can't line up on the blueline as effectively with the "five-man Stick 'Em-stack" now, the game has opened up as well. Tons of more penalties now as well due to errant pokes, leading to more powerplays and more goals. My team is trying to combat the increase in penalties by adding a "PIM Tax", might be something others want to try as well? 😁