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After giving it some thought and reading others' takes on this... I'm also team BanThemAll. And here's the reasoning why: The whole X-Factor ability shenanigans were added to the game in order to highlight superstar players with their superstar abilities. I totally understand that concept from an offline mode or online versus point of view, it's a great addition and does what it's supposed to do: recognize greatness. But in WOC game modes, we don't need that at all - everybody can already spend their XP however they see fit under the ruleset of preset builds and be the superstar they want (even though I'd love to see the return of the old custom build system). In WOC the X-Factors don't make anyone a superstar in the way they were intended in the first place if evvvveryone on the ice has them. What the X-Factors bring in 6s especially is instead lower skill gap RNG to a vast variety of in-game scenarios an even stronger meta for each wingers, centers, defencedudes & goalies where everyone exploits weaknesses in the game Therefore a competitive setting with no superpower abilities would balance not only the meta but also the dreadful RNG. EA made the decision on our behalf to remove EE from WOC, which, if you think about it for a second, is actually is a huge step towards the direction I'm suggesting here. And absolutely nobody is complaining about it. Now it's all about finishing what EA started this year and play without the honestly quite unnecessary X-Factor abilities in 6s.

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*NOT SAYING THIS SHOULD BE DONE* but Is banning everything still on the table for the winter season? Just out of curiosity. 100% understandable if it's "too late" to do that. But I think the majority would not mind.

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I love this idea. Time to make some great decisions. BanThemAll +1

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Markalla wrote very well indeed! BanThemAll +1

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First of all, I think it's great that you - and by extension the gameplay producer in question - are able to supply us with this type of information. Even though one might argue they should've just released all of this information by themselves (like, years ago....), they haven't and probably never will. So, kudos to you for getting to a position where you can get a 1-on-1 with the gameplay producer on our behalf. Anyway, the traits I'd like to know about are not the obvious ones. The eye-test already tells me/us certain abilities work reasonably well. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd like to know more about the abilities that aren't as popular. Mostly to see if we've been overlooking them, for whatever reason. So, I'd like to know about: - Shutdown (does three things; accuracy for pokes against momentum or at speed in 1 on 1's, buffs shot blocking and buffs hitting strength in 1on1s' - but I'd like to know by how much?) - Quick Pick (what's the buff for interceptions and range of interceptions?) - No Contest (what's the buff for likelihood of winning puck battles?) - Unstoppable Force (what's the buff for strength with the puck and holding on to the puck when off balance?) - Thunder Clap (what's the buff for power and accuracy for point slap shots - does it include one-timers?) - ...and my personal favorite: Spin-O-Rama (what's the buff for speed and puck control in the spin, and whats the buff for shot and pass accuracy coming out of it, and for how long does that buff last?)

I love everything about this message - you basically cleared the table. I’ve bolded my favorites. Also, @FINSeRe is spot on. There have been many great posts overall - kudos to everyone. While I agree that the BT ban was probably the right call since it's such an automatic skill, I also think SG shouldn’t go any further and should let the situation settle. Banning X-Factors one by one isn’t the way to go. People will always start chasing the next "worst" ability, and it becomes an endless cycle. I repeat myself, but every trait has its own issues, so it doesn't make sense to remove some XFs while leaving others. We know some of them are more powerful than others, but in general, it's not fair in my opinion. Sopuli explained why quite well. It's easy to be hindsight-driven, but I think when the first-ever XF bans took place, it was a mistake. While it did make a somewhat shitty game a little more enjoyable, we should have just banned them all. So, I’m not criticizing the end result, just the approach. But as I said, it's easy to look back with hindsight, and I was also advocating for individual trait bans back in the day. This brings us to the point where I think BT is the only one that should be put in "jail" at the moment. The next step is either to ban them all or let the game run as EA intended, with XFs included - even though I don’t like the latter option. For me, the Sauna Cup was easily the best and most enjoyable gaming experience I’ve had since the X-Factors were introduced to the game. It just felt natural, in a good way. I'm sure many of you would have enjoyed it as well. I remember counting the GF and GA per game, which were almost identical to ECL. I know it was a different NHL game then, but when it comes to hockey, creativity never dies. There will always be different ways to generate scoring chances; you just need to adjust. If we ban all traits, the start could be frustrating because we have gotten used to building our style around those X-Factors. However, after some time, I believe most of us would come to love it. As for the goalies, they aren’t overpowered; they’re just broken. EA's game mechanics are so RNG overall that goalies will save empty nets and let in soft goals, regardless of whether there are XFs or not.

I would pay cold, hard cash (more than I'd admit) for a similar breakdown of all the traits and abilities currently in the game.

Maybe it should be all or nothing? Would like to see games without ANY abilities. Maybe getting some sort of testing tournament without any abilities for every level? One of my teammate is thinking the same when we discussed about this. Would it be worth of trying? Who knows but it is something that could really think about imo. And maybe i make my self look like a fool but i don't care. This is just one idea among the others.

Great point! And this is very important. The viewing experience is a massive part of making this community grow as well, so making the games entertaining should be one of the priorities. In my previous message I didn't really consider this, so I somewhat changed my mind now. (Though the entertainment perspective still probably doesn't warrant banning truculence) I guess the decision should be made based on both a competitive AND an entertainment perspective. Obviously "what is entertaining" differs person to person so a perfect decision doesn't exist. I guess this is what this conversation is for. A lot of great ideas here already: banning everything, mandatory different builds inside teams etc. Hopefully some kind of consensus around the topic can be found. Personally I'm happy to play the game no matter what decisions are made 😁

BAN TRUCULENCE Player get hitted twice in a short period of time is enough to either injure your player or take a very long time to get up from the ice. Power of the truculence is OP. Hits are often worth a penalty but of course this wonderful game does not recognize them as a penalty. This makes that situation unfair, unreal and also ruins the game. We have had matches where the opponent had almost 60 hits and they got only 1-2 penalties. Really realistic, isn't it? EA doesnt want to fix bugs or other unrealistic things in the game. If we have possibility to fix them by ban these abilities and make this game little bit better. Then we should do this immediately. One good option would be to ban all abilities and also make a rule that forward need to play with forward builds and defenders need to play with defender builds. After this there is no need for further discussion.

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Maybe you think you’re done but we are not. That was a lot of words to cover up your own mistake - not giving us an option just one day ahead of puck drop. We signed up as soon it opened up. Thats several weeks ago - and thats where the low level of handling this starts. It seems to end with Sg not being able to aknowledge the fact that youre not consistent. You’re bumping us up to a higher division after one successfull run. Other teams, better than us which have been a part of the neo-division for several years without being threated this way. When we founded our team we didnt think it would end because SG decided to alter the possibilities for us to continue. Core or lite demand a lot more of time and organizing - in addition to a higher level. It’s a strange thing that isnt a factor when you guys decide which teams should be on a higher level.