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Why not make a poll for each division and let the players decide? Thats fair for everyone imo

For those criticizing the decision, this conversation has been available for over a month and five people have weighed in on the bans. Perhaps the question didn’t reach a big enough portion of the players, but it was communicated from the start that the starting point is that there will be no bans and that this thread on the forums is the right place to argument for what and why it should be banned. A poll is a good idea on paper, but we want to make sure we are making decisions based on constructive conversations and analysis rather than an opinion might just be echoed by people who haven’t even tried the traits they are voting against. I’m glad this conversation has now got some more activity, so please keep the discussion active and constructive!

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There’s clearly abilities that’s still gamebreaking. Allowing unstoppable force, truculence, big tipper etc for competitive tournaments is ridiculous. From a competitive standpoint it would be the best to play tournaments without abilities. But that will never happen so it would make the most sense to remove the ones that’s ruining the experience for the majority of the players (elite atleast). Big tipper, truculence and unstoppable force - should atleast be obvious bans.

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why the f*** neo players decide for everyone LETS MAKE POLL for each division!!!!!!

Why we dont listen best players in this game?? I really really hope this year every elite team can do agreement that we dont use trucu x tipper….

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Why were something like this not thrown to a poll??? How can this decision be made without taking into account what the players think of it After all we are the ones playing with this shitty truculence big tipper meta... Also who has complained in the first place about truculence,big tipper,uforce being banned? Last year was horrific gameplay wise since the game sucked but those 2 seasons were much more enjoyable than the 23 winter season when we had truculence on minimum 4 skaters per team... Gör om gör rätt 🤪

There has never been any gentlemen's agreements in ecl, people haven't been using tipper or truculence because people expected them to not be allowed in ecl, not because they are not good.

I’m a bit curious how are these decision made? And why there cant be different rules for different divisions? Also, has big tipper for example ever been a trait someone considers balanced, how would that be different now?

Thanks for flagging this @l-Furyan-l! After deliberating, and weighing the pros and cons of instituting X-factor bans, the League Administration has decided to NOT ban any traits or abilities for the upcoming season. We appreciate the desire for some traits like Big Tipper to be axed, but we first want to see how the meta develops and what teams end up favoring. As such, we will monitor your feedback and the Pre-season tournament, the first ECL season of the year, as well as any changes that EA makes by adjusting tuners and/or in patches. Last year especially they were making changes quite frequently - so we believe tying ourselves to a blanket ban would be a misstep at this point.

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Played like 100 games around in goalie already - from start thinked we cant figure out properly what abilitie to ban, no its 100% clear, close quarters and one timers need to be banned. its just ridiculous, if not one timer, then close quarters for sure, its seems like close quarters cant be stoped, if you are close to goalie with close quarters no matter what you do as goalie its in. you get like in one period awfully ridiculous fast close quarter goals like in one net and other net. if you use close quarter and get like breakaway no matter how good you read breakaway its in, i got like on the puck and on the side where he shoot and there was almost zero place and its get in because close quarters, or you get close quarter shot sniped in through glove, im not like breakaway specialist or what, but its ridiculous how lot of time, when you move to save you dont save because its close quarter abilitie shot. its just so boosted up i dont know why they did it, no other abilitie seems so powerfull or over powerfull as close quarters is now. you can be sure if you sniped, scored its close quarters in build. Seems like some kinda wizzardy close quarter shot always find the way how to get that puck in... about one timers abilities - seems overpowered also - because you already get like scripted in realy strong fast one timers, and if you get like boost over the boost its just ridiculous - this one timer golden even freeze you if you dont time well. sometimes i even cant blink how fast it goes in. sometimes i get it stopped only because i pre read a mile before and get in position, to move to that its unreal, that little ammount of time to react to that its crazy, goalies just cant catch that. its so ridiculous how easy to score in this game. i am pretty sure everyone agree with me on close quarters, atleast goalies. about tipper i cant say nothing, didnt saw it realy doing something, i think this year stopping tips is pretty easy, atleast a lot more solid stops when someone tips. last year if tip then seems like scripted that goalie will do akwardly wrong move no matter what.

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We are rapidly getting to that point now. About two weeks until qualifiers and four weeks until ECL. Is there an update? @Kenu As I understand it, the preseason tournament will have no bans. On the one hand, I understand this decision, but it does make me wonder: will the preseason tournament be used as a testing ground, with a decision on bans/no bans to be made once that tournament is over? If so, it is my understanding that tournament is over on November 11th, less than a week before the season is set to start and AFTER the qualifiers begin. That's... quite a tight deadline. And exactly what I, and those who agreed with my post, requested to not have happen. With the various qualifiers set to begin soon, we as a community really could use a definitive decision on bans/no bans before then. TLDR, a direct question: Can we expect "No Bans" to be the decision for ECL '25 Winter?

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Just saying from a goalies perspective, I think tipper ( gold or silver) is just too op, and I think that unstoppable force has been nerfed (this perspective is from me playing hut). For me is safe to say that tipper is just too op

I don’t have a recording at this point, but it has happened multiple times now. First game goes as it should, no grudge, but the 2nd game in a row against the same opponent is a grudge match without anyone having touched the settings in between.

Correct. If it becomes apparent that a 'unique' loadout is vastly unbalanced to the rest then we reserve the ability to specifically ban that one, while keeping the others as still playable.

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Small update to this: Something we've been having a little bit of success with lately is something @imosi mentioned: switching the room leader. And doing so quite quickly. We've set a cap of around 45 seconds to cycle through room leaders. If the first guy searching doesn't find a team within 45 seconds, we switch to the next player. We also change one of the Allow Drop-In Skater/Goalie option to Yes every time we do this. It's probably just placebo and not necessary, but the idea is to force the matchmaking engine to recognize two things: 1, a new player is now room leader and 2, the search parameters have been re-set. Anyway, next player searches for a maximum of 45 seconds and if no game found, we shift to the next (change one of the drop-in options to Yes, one to No), etc. We've been doing this the last two nights and we usually find a game on the 2nd or 3rd search. Mind you, it's not always matchups we want, but on average we seem to be at least FINDING teams quicker.

The gameplay is actually best in years, it's not all about hustle anymore. Ofc there are always some tweaking, but the biggest problems right now are on the matchmaking side and extremely slow menus. They should fix these as priority. - Removing the room size: exact is the dumbest decision they've made since they completely removed eashl from nhl 15 back in the days. - Servers are messed up? Finnish vs Finnish team plays on the Swedish server? Happens all the time. - Grudge is a bit meh and it is very broken, it is always the center at least for us :D. - Timed onetees are very overpowered. - Stick lift need some adjustment, you can spam it quite a bit. - Inconsistent penalties as mentioned before. - Weird animations at the wrong time. We get a penalty and the replay shows the last goal. All in all it's impossible to give more feedback as searching for an opponent is a nightmare at the moment. We spend much more time in the menus than in-game.

We seem to be getting a bunch of non-ECL teams too. A lot of teams from Central Europe. Finding another ECL Pro team is very difficult, so I support the idea of common passwords for the time being.

First of all, is anyone having success in finding 6v6 games quickly or consistently? Sometimes we find games very quickly and sometimes we have to search for quite some time. I don't know if its about luck or what...or the positions of the stars and the moon? Who knows...(Maybe EA does). We doing Crossplay: Enabled or Disabled? From our experience it doesn't really matter. Any "designated searchers" on your teams having more success? Haven't paid attention, but sometimes when I am the room leader we move to some weird vortex and we are not able to find an opponent. When we switch the room leader without resetting the dressing room it instantly finds a game? This is strange, I have all my ports opened from the router etc. Are people just doing privately setup BO3s or BO5s? We try to ask different teams to play Bo3's if we don't find any decent opponent... But it is a bit of "työmaa" aka construction site try to arrange these games.. If so, what general codes are we using for those Private games (there seems to be a few different ones out there)? Maybe we could think of some NEW unique passwords for the same level opponents, for an example: nhlgamerLITE would be for core-lite, nhlgamerPRO for top lite/pro qualiteams and pro teams etc. If anyone has a good idea about the password thing, please enlighten us! The few different ones we have right now doesn't seem to work as some teams are not using them correctly at all.

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Starting a new topic so this doesn't just get buried in the general chat. Okay, so what are the best matchmaking hacks people have found for EASHL 6v6 in NHL 25 thus far? EA taking their sweet time fixing the matchmaking mess they've created, so listening to any and all advice if anyone has figured out a workaround. We legit couldn't get a playable game for 45 minutes yesterday, just non-ECL teams we'd never heard of from like... Slovenia. Just a brutal way to spend an hour supposedly committed to gaming. Enough is enough, send help plz. First of all, is anyone having success in finding 6v6 games quickly or consistently? We doing Crossplay: Enabled or Disabled? We doing Allow or Don't Allow on the Drop-In player option? Any "designated searchers" on your teams having more success? When not finding games, are we rebooting the 6's lobby? Or are we rebooting the game entirely ( = "Close Application")? Are people just doing privately setup BO3s or BO5s? Are people using a set password to search Private games within a limited pool of teams? If so, what general codes are we using for those Private games (there seems to be a few different ones out there)?

The settings do have a weird tendency to actually lie so it may be worth refreshing the settings in between games just to make sure they haven't defaulted to grudge matches being on then.

Hello, hasn't it always been the case that pro and elite teams largely self-regulate, with an unspoken rule or name it a gentlemen's agreement to have that in place to not use it? looking at the current loadouts used by pro and elite teams, it’s much like last year: classic meta builds like speed/agility, tape-to-tape, and close quarters are preferred. hardly anyone is using tipper, truculence, or other loadouts at the moment, as they don’t seem as strong as they were in the previous version. it has already been stated that if, during the pre-season, a perk proves to be unfair or if patches introduce significant changes, there will be a closer review and a ban may be considered. therefore, it's questionable whether each division even needs its own set of rules for loadouts, since pro and elite teams are already playing almost exclusively with the meta builds. the experience from previous nhl titles has shown that meta builds always prevail in the competitive scene and are therefore primarily used.

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The golden tipper is at least as OP as last year, I saw some pretty crazy tip-ins when our center used the trait last night. Not sure about the silver tipper yet.

We actually had a Grudge Match happen tonight even with both teams having the setting turned off

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1) First of all, thanks @l-Furyan-l for raising this topic. Any and all confirmed feedback that we can provide EA with as soon as possible will be beneficial for troubleshooting any problems. 2) Based on what I've read, the passworded private games have had some issues as well, so I urge as many teams as possible to try out some private games tonight to make sure it works as intended. We can of course test that with generic community passwords, but ideally please also agree with an opponent to play a private game and see if the system works correctly. From what I heard, it may take up to a couple minutes to find a private game with the correct password, so be sure to give the search some time if it doesn't immediately work. Also make sure you both turn grudge match off, as different settings there could hinder you from finding games. 3) Finally, on the subject of community passwords, perhaps we could use: ECLElite - Elite + Pro teams that might be playing in (possible) the Elite qualifier ECLPro - Pro + Teams looking to qualify for Pro ECLLite - ECL Lite + Core Teams ECLNeo - Beginner level teams We could of course add one more for Core, but I feel like the level of Core can be pretty high, so I would urge Core teams to try and match up with Lite.

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All I ask is that, whichever way this goes, there is a definitive, non-reversible decision from League Administration (on bans/no bans) at least a few weeks out from when the first official tournament is set to begin. Give us a fair chance to practice for a reasonable amount of time under game-like conditions.