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First of all I want to thank all the People who are involved in this decision and process and how much time they invested for this Game we all love (and sometimes hate :D) to play. I appreciate that there will be a new league between the Neo and Lite to reduce the skill gap between existing and newstarting teams. Between clubs which play just for fun or those that follow a more competetive goal. As someone who most likely will be affected by the qualification tournament for the ECL Pro I have to say that I do not see the sense in that qualifier. It is hard enough to get promoted and even harder to stay in the League. So why should additional Teams ranked 12th to 14th (that normally would have stayed in the League) in their Pro-Group play an additional tournament to fight for staying up. Considering even more that the Schedule around ECL and national tournaments is busy and gets even busier now. I do not see how this additional qualifier increases the competetiveness at this Level and teams achievements from last seasons will not be as worthy as they were before and should be? The biggest Problem I see is that this big decision is made during the season - 3 Matchdays before the Season ends the whole Relegation System is changed. That's something which should have been done in a different way. For Example: Implementing ECL Core for coming ECL12 and changing the Promotion System for Pro in ECL13. So all competing Teams know what they have to do to stay in the League before it starts. Furthermore a occuring problem is that a Pro Team that finishes 14-12 has a few weeks without a league Game and needs to compete immediately against Teams from different Leagues which are freshly out of the Playoffs and in better shape & rhythm.

Really like that teams who could previously survive for multiple seasons in Pro due to the relegation system will now have to battle for their spots (and that the wildcard teams can play their way into pro) max 10 teams promoted/relegated sounds like a lot in a 32 team division but I think it’s going to be really good for the competitiveness of the scene and balancing out the divisions, (almost) no one’s gonna be safe and the best will be on top

Well done ignoring my points and writing in Swedish. 👍🏼 Doesn't mute your points, but doesn't make for much of a conversation. Please write in English or we'll have to remove the messages. Edit: As you continue arguing and provoking in Swedish, I have hidden the messages, as promised. The (first) original message can be read in the quote above. In his response (hidden, due to continuing in Swedish) he claims I'm escaping his questions rather than answering and that I'm being a "big leader who gets things to look good by deleting messages". Additionally, he expects every page to separately say "English only", despite that being our policy for the 5+ years he's been a member. I'm always interested having a proper discussion about these things, evaluate different options and get different views. I have my opinions and I do my best to explain why I see things in a certain way and what the problem areas of another approach might be from my point of view. From my point of view you ignored what I wrote, continue writing in a language that most people here don't understand (I do, but this is a public discussion) and top it off by acting disrespectfully. I think it's ridiculous that you keep brining up a claim that ECL has the same structure as EHL/EC 2010-2015. Yes, ECL runs twice a year and has a hockey-esque regular season + playoffs, but if you don't acknowledge all of the other development that has happened from those days - then I'm afraid we just see things very differently. You say I used "we don't have time" as the argument for not running more ECL's in a year and yet succeeded in "running a Spring League, SCL, Summer Cup and Finnish Championships after the fact". If your view of NHL esports is to play ECL, then ECL, then ECL, then ECL, then ECL and then some more ECL, then yeah, sure - we should probably scrap all of that. From my point of view, the different tournaments and leagues are things that keep it fresh and make winning the "biggies" exciting. I love the ECL. I love the World Championships. I love the Olympics. I love the NHL. Yet I wouldn't want to watch any of these four all year and the competitors wouldn't have time to participate in all of these. That is my main point - keeping it interesting. Making titles mean something. Letting champions celebrate their championships. Am I 100% satisfied with everything we do? Are we making the right call every time? Are we spending every minute efficiently? Of course not. Are we creating something incredibly nice and keep pushing the envelope in NHL esports - I believe so. Constructive feedback will continue to push us to greater things. However you package your feedback, we will receive it and consider it, but it makes no sense for me to take the time and effort to respond if you're just going to ignore my points and continue being offensive.

Thanks for the feedback. Definitely understand the criticism. We did say before the start of the season that there would be changes made to the 11->12 structure and it is mentioned in the rulebook - but of course we would have ideally had the exact information out sooner. Previously, teams 13-16 have faced the fear of relegation, so the fear of elimination was always there for those teams. We do agree that the "sudden" immediate relegation for teams in 15th and 16th spot is too harsh at this stage in the season, so we put together a compromise for the transition between ECL 11 and 12 that allows for every team to have a chance to prove their worth. Lite playoff team (4th) Lite playoff team (5th) Lite playoff team (6th) Lite playoff team (7th) Lite playoff team (8th) Lite playoff team (9th) Pro relegation team (12th) Pro relegation team (12th) Pro relegation team (13th) Pro relegation team (13th) Pro relegation team (14th) Pro relegation team (14th) Pro relegation team (15th) Pro relegation team (15th) Pro relegation team (16th) Pro relegation team (16th) Wildcard Wildcard Wildcard Wildcard Seven (7) out of these twenty (20) teams participating in the ECL Pro Qualification tournament will play in ECL Pro 12. I don't personally agree with this, but as always, feel free to convince me otherwise. We made some important structural changes that allows for teams to be "fast-tracked" to higher divisions by giving them opportunities to prove themselves. This should mean that teams find their accurate level of competition as fast, if not faster than before. To me, ECL is a league, not a quick-burst tournament. By shortening the season and cramming in more victors, you're potentially lessening the value of each individual season. Additionally, in the process you're probably preventing teams/players from taking part in other tournaments, because it's always running. That is not to say that a structure like you describe couldn't or won't work. I just don't think it's as simple as it sounds.

Another division.. nice Now we REALLY need more than 2 ECL tournaments per year Make them shorter, get more admins, make it happen. ------ ECL 1 Qualifiers ECL 2 Qualifiers ECL 3 Qualifiers **new game** The team with the most ECL wins (out of 3) = EU Champs -----

In english? Everyone is not so good in swedish and like to read every comments here

First guys congrats for this outstanding job done, especially to @MartindalexC for taking the time of writting all that stuff. I have two questions : 1- will teams made with some former Elite/Pro players that want to play "for fun" be allowed in Neo? 2- what is the plan if, for example, a team runs the qualifier for Lite, wins it and then, finally changes smthg like 40% or more of its roster? I mean the former roster is legit but the new one, not necesseraly Thanks for your answers