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Hey NHL Gamers, As most of you probably have noticed, there's been some controversy between the teams Synergy Hockey and Silver Sword Griffins. We will start this post off by laying down the information and staff ruling in this case and finish off with the round 2 matchups. The NHL Gamers staff was approached yesterday (3.1.) with Synergy Hockey (from here on SYN) asking what to do, when it's the last day and Silver Sword Griffins (from here on SSG) can't play. We instructed that the games need to be played yesterday. SYN was available to play, while SSG replied to them "I told you yesterday that we can't. We don't have to play with a suboptimal roster just because you couldn't play at all last two weeks" and adding "We could've finished yesterday but see Pelle I think it was who called it a night at 10pm. And now we have to adapt to that?". Here are the bullet points that we gathered from talking to both teams: The teams were supposed to play their first games on the 20th of December. SSG cancelled at the last minute due to "problems with personal relationship between our RW and G". SYN had before these games communicated to SSG that they can't play until the 2nd of January due to Christmas and New Years plans. As the games on the 20th were cancelled, SYN was able to offer another opportunity to play on the 22nd of January, where they played (according to their description) with a non-optimal line-up, in order to get the series started. SSG won both of the two games that were played. Series 0-2. The second batch of games were to be played, as agreed, on the 2nd of January. SYN asked before the games "How many games today (at most). 3?", to which SSG replied "yeah, something like that". SYN won the first game, SSG won the second game (making the series 1-3), after which SYN asked "One more?" and SSG replied "yeah". After the third game of the evening (SYN won and made the series 2-3), SSG asks "can you keep playing?", but SYN says that they can't and asks if SSG can play the next day. It is also explained that one of their players has already went to sleep. 13 minutes later, at 22:07 Swedish time, SSG says that they can't play on Wednesday, which is the last day of the first round. Neither teams are directly asking for WO's, but as time has run out and we're past the extra allocated day, we can not continue to give out more time for the series. The criteria on which we made our decision: We do not believe either team to have purposefully ended up in this situation. SYN was unavailable to play for a lot of evenings, however they did communicate this very clearly and were available to play on 4 occasions (20th, 22nd, 2nd and 3rd). SSG says they were ready to play on all default days. SSG didn't at any point contact the staff about any issues with the series. Only after being asked to play on the last day (3rd of Jan), they started communicating with the staff. Their explanation is that SYN was largely unavailable and that they are to be blamed for the situation. SSG claims they thought the 2nd of Jan was the correct date, as communicated earlier (before adding the extra day). Their point is valid about the clarity of the staff's communication and it is noted, but doesn't validate their unclear communication. As mentioned above, SSG made a comment about not agreeing to play with a "suboptimal" roster on the last day of the playoffs. They later commented to the staff that this was said out of frustration and wasn't accurate, and that they actually didn't have the appropriate amount of players to play. SSG did not communicate to SYN on time that they won't be able to continue the series on Tuesday. They only communicated this after some of SYN had left after the games on Monday. SYN asked up front how many games will be played and "one more" and not at any point was it mentioned that the series will have to be finished on Monday. After hearing both sides and investigating this case thoroughly - we have made the tough decision that Synergy Hockey advances to the second round of playoffs with WO's against the Silver Sword Griffins. We would like to remind everyone that the staff works as a team and there are votes on the difficult matters. The vote in this case was not unanimous, but this decision was supported by the majority. Walkovers at this stage are unfortunate but all teams need to be aware of the deadlines and due to the extra time already allocated, for the greater good, the NHLGamer Staff is forced to make this decision so the second round can start as promised. We've done our best to describe above, that we do believe both teams have made mistakes in this series. With better communication, these issues could've been avoided. The staff would've been happy to step in and do our best to help at an earlier stage. Bringing things up on the last possible day is not the approach that we want to encourage. Below are the second round pairings. Second round of playoffs is to be played 4. - 10.1. Laser HT - TIKI TALK Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare Synergy Hockey - Mukimiehet X Factor - Dynasty SIKA - Nordic Lightning Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard The schedule and playoff tree will reflect this as soon as possible. In the mean time, feel free to start playing. Respectfully, The NHLGamer Staff6 points
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Yes!!!!!!! Welcome to the official SYN - SSG complaining/grieving post. Thanks to Imosi and Bjono for making this it happen, but i will take it from here! Iv decided to kick Laser out if the tournament and give Syn - SSG an additional 30 days to play their two games. Thanks for understanding everybody!6 points
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Laser HT - TIKI TALK 1-4Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats 4-0Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy 4-2Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare 2-4Synergy Hockey - MUKIMIEHET 1-4X Factor - Dynasty 3-4SIKA - Nordic Lightning 4-1Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard 3-44 points
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Another instance that shows this tournament is very much about personal relations and being buddies with certain people. At this point it very much looks like everything revolves around Finns and Swedes, anyone else is here just so this whole farce could be called "European" Championship League. Tho I truly hope I'm wrong on that. An underdog who had the lead of the series gets the short end of the stick while a very popular team advances with WO wins. An underdog who was available for the majority of the allocated days for the first round. Popularity contest... Especially when you look at Synergy's "show" yesterday to stream themselves waiting for SSG in challenge room. Pathetic. That's two incidents in a row where SSG ends up getting screwed by staff's oversight - case against FR with missing rules and now this... Maybe scheduling round 1 during holidays wasn't such a good idea after all. Wonder how long it will take for someone to realize it... I truly hope SSG continues, but after this bullshit... Can't really blame them if they were to decide in favor of abandoning this mess. I'll leave you with this... "In case there are any unplayed games after this deadline, the administration will investigate the issue and hand out walkover wins for the team that was more active in trying to get the games scheduled and played in time." A team that didn't play a single game for 12 days advances to the next round! Bravo, Synergy! Bravo!4 points
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Damn, Bumer with the bold prediction that Muki win in 7, but Synergy win in 9 with the help of 2 WO wins3 points
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I wish that more teams would go in the direction that SIKA is going. They have top notch stream, very good podcasts (maybe in english later). Maybe more content to facebook site?3 points
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Laser HT - TIKI TALK 4-0Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats 4-2Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy 4-2Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare 4-3Synergy Hockey - Muki 0-0X Factor - Dynasty 3-4SIKA - Nordic Lightning 4-2Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard 4-12 points
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Laser HT - TIKI TALK 4-1 Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats 4-3 Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy 4-2 Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare 4-2 Synergy Hockey - Mukihiemet 5-4 X Factor - Dynasty 4-3 SIKA - Nordic Lightning 4-2 Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard 4-22 points
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SSG takes all the shit yet again... not suprised at this point really. The most active team and leading in series gets shoved up the buttocks. Three months wasted to end like this! Don't think I will be participating on upcoming tournaments as I got better things to do with my life (work lol). SSG are the real winners of this round, technically - SYN so enjoy and the "best" of luck to you in the next round(s)! Very disappointed. And Yet again I must say - it is what it is. Pece2 points
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Can we get some insight who voted for what and why?2 points
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Just wanted to say thanks for Sika for their podcasts. I think it's refreshing to see and hear something else than that basic eashl drama and bs. Keep up the good work guys.2 points
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Now that's funny. Especially when I've heard that this whole mess started because of Synergy not being available in the first two weeks and not playing a single game in that time. Hilarious.2 points
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Laser HT - TIKI TALK 4-0Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats 4-0Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy 1-4Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare 4-3Synergy Hockey - Mukimiehet 3-4X Factor - Dynasty 4-1SIKA - Nordic Lightning 4-3Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard 4-01 point
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Laser HT - TIKI TALK 4-1 Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats 4-0 Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy 4-2 Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare 4-3 Synergy Hockey - Mukihiemet 0-4 (completely 100% unbiased, again) X Factor - Dynasty 4-3 SIKA - Nordic Lightning 4-3 Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard 4-21 point
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I got curious and looked up what round 2 will look like if either Synergy or SSG wins. Thought id share it for those interested. Scenario 1 (SYN advances) Laser - TIKi Aapon - Fat Cats NOS - Northern Ascendancy Written - Nordic Nightmare Synergy - Mukihiemet Xfactor - Dynasty SIKA - Nordic Lightning. FR - Nordic Blizzard Scenario 2 (SSG advances) Laser - SSG Aapon - TIKI NOS - Fat Cats Written - Northern Ascendancy Xfactor - Nordic Nightmare . SIKA - Mukihiemet FR - Dynasty NBZ - Nordic Lightning1 point
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Was there an answer from the admins? Back then when you wrote that, a big part of the community would be pissed, that there is one more week. But now it seems that it would be really helpful...1 point
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None of the tgma today was tgma when I was. I don't know them any better then anyone else. We couldnt play between 22nd and 1st of january. We did not go to sleep, in fact we have been very actively trying to avoid a situation like this, even as early as dec 13. I don't see any reason why you of all people have the conversation. Im sure admins will make an official statement anyway explaining the situation. But you like the drama.1 point
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So SYN knew SSG wouldnt show up and still starts a stream. That makes you look bad guys.1 point
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that's the only thing you can say after have seen the facts? I don't hate them, I waited to see the facts before I choosed side. U and the others did the opposite.1 point
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Was in party playing other games with some of the SSG members yesterday and the captain's comment about "sub-optimal" roster was inaccurate(from what I understood he got fed up being forced to always adapt to other team's needs and ultimatums that resulted in that comment). Someone from actual SSG can correct this if I'm wrong, but from what I got 3 of their players weren't available - C, G(both due to work) and LW(due to personal reasons) and that created a situation where they simply didn't have 6 players. Regardless of optimal/sub-optimal, they couldn't ice any line-up due to missing too many guys.1 point
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Why? What's the point of withholding information if you're 'clean'? Surely it's better to allow people to come to their own conclusions with all the evidence possible? As opposed to being spoon fed a reaction and bandwagoning off of that?1 point
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Well, I have some facts. Cuz I have seen the whole conversation (fan vad tråkigt för de inblandade, hur kunde detta hända?) Så gubbar, sluta kasta skit på SSG, detta är ju lite konstigare än man först trodde. This is the conversation between Synergy and SSG (I will put it out in text instead of pictures) (latvian time) (From SSG 29/12/16) - Let us know if you manage to gather 6 in any of the upcoming days... we'll stay on standby (From Synergy 30/12/16) -So, whats your thoughts about monday, when are you available? (From SSG 31/12/16) - I think we should be good to play on monday (From Synergy 02/01/16) - Ok cool, we are ready from 20.30. (11:06) - CET (I guess thats 21.30 in Latvia?) (11:11) (From SSG) - Okey (13.46) (From Synergy) - So, whats your status? (17:11) - Are you there? (18:31) (From SSG) - yes yes - We got 6 (18:34) (From Synergy) - How many games (at most) 3? (19:13) (From SSG) - Yeah, something like that. - 5min and ready (19:32) ("Something like that", "something like that", not a full answer for Synergy) (From Synergy) - invite coming (19:38) (From SSG) - Ready (19:39) (From Synergy) - One more? (20:27) (don't think SSG understod this message, you will see later) (From SSG) - yes (20:27) - Can you keep playing? (20:51) (From Synergy) - We can't :/. Can u tomorrow? (20:54) (From SSG) - idk - I will be off to work (20:54) - (Now Synergy knows that SSG can't play the day after - still time to get 6 players online to continue the last games) - 2 games (at most) left, sure you can't finish tonight? (20:58) (From Synergy) - one already went to sleep (21:00) - (I guess he isn't sleeping after 9 minutes, not a big problem?) (Synergy still knows that SSG can't play the day after) (From SSG) - backup? (21:00) (From Synergy) - All others are still on vacation (21:02) - (Okey, I know that Craig "Oskuldsfull" went on a trip to norway, but I saw Berbaboon, pelles brother online many hours after this message in NHL 17 when I searched for a club to play some games in, and that 2 hours later) (From SSG) - It's 10Pm in sweden... Anyway, if you're not able to continue, that's fine, but we can't play tomorrow, cuz tonight is my last day off from New year's holidays, and our G will most likely get a call from his job tomorrow to come for night shift too (not 100% tho) (21:07) (Synergy still knows that SSG can't play the day after) (From Synergy) - Okey, maybe we can get permission to play on wednesday? (21:19) (From SSG) - We should be able to play on wednesday (21:24) (From Synergy) - Ok, I need to talk with Kenu and Co then (21:29) (From SSG) - ye, you do that then... See if they're happy to do so 3/1-17 (Synergy still knows that SSG can't play this day, nothing has changed) (From Synergy) - Got answer from Kenu now and he said that we should try to play since this already is an extra day to play the first round (12:47) (From SSG) - I told you yesterday that we can't. We don't have to play with a subobtimal roster just because you couldn't play at all last two weeks. (14:21) ** I guess SSG's goalie was the guy that couldn't play - suboptimal** - We could've finished the games yesterday but see Pelle I think it was who called it a night at 10 PM. And now we have to adapt to that? (14:25) (From Synergy) - yes you told me AFTER the 3 games yesterday that you couldn't play tomorrow. I asked you before how many games we should play, and suggested 3. and you answered "yeah something like that" and when I asked for one more after 2 you said "yes". - So I assumed then that we could continue today. (14:25) (From SSG) - you assumed.... Cuz I never said that we could play today I',m off to work in 25min, so won't be reachable till break after few hours - we should've finished at deadline. (14:27) ___________________________________ Synergy? Even tho that U knew that SSG couldn't play yesterday, and you already knew it the day before. Why the "Hell" did you went to DR, started your stream and said in the chat that it was games going? You maked them look like idiots. You even started a poll "should we wait more", you already knew that they couldn't play. (you waited for ghosts?!?!?!?!) *We asked in your chat about the situation, you answered "radio silence". Well, was it the truth? *You also said that they couldn't play b/c off "suboptimal team" - Well, I guess you could have continued with berbaboon instead of Pelle the day before then. *You did a move to get in contact with the "15min WO rule" - And after have seen this conversation is it disgusting. what a move by a classy team. Why are you always involved with the WO situations during playoffs? I'm not sure what the staff will do about it, but I hope you guys get's an extra day to play the remaining games, I want to see a winner from the ice, not the staff. And if someone deserves the WO, should it actually be SSG if we look at the rulebook. " In case there are any unplayed games after this deadline, the administration will investigate the issue and hand out walkover wins for the team that was more active in trying to get the games scheduled and played in time. " But I've seen that the Staff are on your side - and even that is confusing.1 point
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