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Another thing I would like to add is I don't get the love for the longevity of teams. Sure, I guess it has a certain romantic aspect to it, but players create new teams to up their competitiveness, and to leave teams with bad chemistry either on or off the ice. I'm not sure how implementing a system where creating a new team is discouraging is supposed to increase the competitiveness of the league. Just something to keep in mind.7 points
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Hello NHLGamers, It’s been rumored, it’s been talked about… we even hinted at it earlier during the season but tonight we are finally making the official announcement: moving forward after ECL 3, the European Championship League will take on a skill and merit-based divisional format. This is your post to find out everything about this new system and the next step in Online Competitive EASHL gaming before it is launched in ECL 4. Divisions First thing’s first, the divisions. The idea behind creating these divisions will be expanded upon in the text but the short version is this: We are continually working to improve the site, the leagues and the overall NHLGamer experience for everyone. Some might say this development process is moving too slow and does not reach far enough, some might say the website is expanding in ways that it should not. The community is special in many ways, not just because parts of it has stayed together for years (including previous websites, the community is now more than half a decade old) but also because it is continually expanding. NHLGamer has almost doubled its membership in less than a year while still maintaining its core, which is all of you in the community. It creates a tough balancing act when trying to create a fun place for EASHL rookies that want to experience the thrill of playing competitively for the first time while trying to give the hardened tournament veterans what they want, which is the best tournament possible where the stakes are high and winner takes all. Still, in an attempt to achieve this, we will be creating a divisions system where the hope is that teams will be better matched against each other – something we hope will lead to tighter games, more fun for everyone involved all the while creating a stronger foundation for the tournament to stand on. Our hope is also that more teams will be inclined to stay together and build longer lasting franchises. We’ve structured this post so that we should be able to answer as many of your questions as possible by getting to them one by one – a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) if you will. This FAQ will be available for future reference when the actual division based leagues come around. Despite this, if you feel something is unclear or just plain weird, feel free to sound off in the comment section with questions like: “Well, what if this happens..?” and we will do our best and elaborate. Let’s get to it: Q: How many divisions will there be? The short answer is 3 – a total of 3 separate divisions. The longer answer is that we set off to create an environment where all the top teams face off in the prestigious ECL Elite, up and coming franchises battle with veteran teams in the competitive ECL Pro and all newly entered or learning teams start off in ECL Amateur to hone their skills. This prevents teams with years of experience and chemistry from numerous EASHL competitions, from facing off with teams new to the site who are just learning what it takes to play EASHL at the ECL level. Q: How many teams will there be in each division? We are looking at a total of 16 teams for ECL Elite, 16 teams for ECL Pro and, depending on the amount of registrations, 16-24 (or more) teams in ECL Amateur. The goal is to keep ECL Elite and ECL Pro consistently the same size (16 teams each), which means if teams completely drop out of the division system or inactive teams return (read on), there will be balancing measures - meaning increased amounts of promotions or relegations. During extraordinary circumstances, ECL Pro can deviate from its 16-team baseline but ECL Elite has a hard cap of 16 teams. This part, much like inactive teams, is specified further down in the text. In case ECL Amateur sees an extraordinary amount of registrations, the staff will then decide if the division can be split up into two “conferences” (like ECL 3) or if registrations will have to be closed for the tournament in question. As a rule of thumb, we always do our best to include all registered teams in our leagues, as long as it’s reasonable. Q: How many games will there be in a season? The amount of games will, as per usual, be 2 games against each opponent – meaning 30 games (15 opponents) each season for ECL Elite & ECL Pro and somewhere around the same for ECL Amateur depending on the amount of teams. This ensures lean, hard-fought seasons with what we hope is the perfect amount of games – you get a sense of both the regular season grind while at the same time reaching the playoff threshold in just 5 short weeks: this by playing 3 opponents per week, just like during the last few seasons. Q: How will promotion and relegation work? First off, we will have promotions and relegations. Having closed divisions is not something we are considering at the moment so we are going with the European hockey model where teams can be both promoted and relegated in the different divisions. For ECL Elite: 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Elite Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Finals where the league winner will be crowned. The teams that finish #15 and 16 in ECL Elite will instantly be relegated and play in ECL Pro the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will not be instantly relegated, but will have to play two teams (one each) from ECL Pro in a Best of 7- ECL Relegation/Promotion Round. Teams that finish in places 9-12 will not play in the playoffs nor be subject to relegation. In summary, this means a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 teams are relegated each season. It also means 10 out of 16 teams will see some form of post-season play and ensure that every team will be fighting all season, either to make the playoffs or avoid elimination. For ECL Pro: 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Pro Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Pro Finals where the league winner will be crowned. The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Pro are instantly promoted and will play the season after in ECL Elite. The teams finishing in spots #3 and 4 (the losers of the semi-final round) will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 (one each) from ECL Elite in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games). As far as relegations go, teams that finish #15 and 16 will be instantly relegated to ECL Amateur for the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will follow the same model mentioned earlier and play two teams from ECL Amateur (one each) in a best-out-of 7 battle. In summary, this means 10 out of 16 teams in ECL Pro sees some form of post-season play. For ECL Amateur: 8 out of 16 teams (depending on the size of the division) will make the ECL Amateur Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Amateur Finals where the league winner will be crowned. The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Amateur are instantly promoted and will play the next season in ECL Pro. The teams that finish in spots #3 and 4 will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 from ECL Pro in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games). In summary, this means a total of 4 teams in ECL Amateur will be given the chance to advance to ECL Pro, something that we hope will be a welcome addition for all our new members looking to make their way up. Q: What teams will play where when the Divisional system starts up in ECL Season 4? We said before ECL 3 that the new format (bigger conferences, more games) was mainly for two reasons; 1. To try out the format and see what the benefits and disadvantages were and 2. To make sure all teams truly got the opportunity to distinguish themselves over a long season before we introduced divisions. Therefore, the teams that finish this long, grinding regular season in the Top 4 in each of the ECL 3 conferences will have guaranteed spots in ECL Elite, locking up the first 8 spots. The next 8 spots will be decided by the ECL 3 playoffs. This gives the remaining 24 playoff-bound teams (seeds 5-16) a chance to – outside of battling for the title in our biggest tournament yet – use the playoffs to get their hands on the final 8 spots. The deciding factor will be wins. Out of the 24 teams who make the playoffs but are not directly qualified for ECL Elite, the 8 who manages to collect the most playoff wins will be the ones to claim the final spots. In a situation where two or more teams have the same amount of playoff wins, the regular season rank will act as a tie-breaker. The third tie-breaker is PPG in the playoffs and the fourth is PPG in the regular season. This naturally means the 8 teams who aren’t directly qualified to ECL Elite and make it the farthest in the playoffs are the final 8 to be added to the top division. This could theoretically mean that, if there is an upset and a #16 seed beats a #1 seed right away in the first round – they could both be playing in ECL Elite the following season. The teams that made the playoffs in ECL 3, but didn’t make the cut for ECL Elite, will start ECL Season 4 in ECL Pro. Teams that do not qualify for the ECL 3 playoffs will start in ECL Amateur next season. Q: Can a team pause/be inactive for a season? In ECL Elite and ECL Pro, teams can apply to “pause” for one season (in ECL Amateur this is not necessary). This turns them into an inactive team, and they will not participate during that season. They cannot be promoted nor relegated. An inactive team is however expected to play during the following season, otherwise they will lose their current divisional spot. A need for a longer inactivity would have to be brought up with the NHLGamer staff and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. To fulfill the inactive status, the team needs to keep at least their captain and one assistant captain, as well as 2 other players (for a total of 4) on the inactive roster – these players are not allowed to participate with another team in said season, where the team is marked as inactive. Special cases where, for example, 6-7 players outside of the captaincy squad cannot play and will stay inactive but the Captain wants to play for another team and still keep the divisional spot will be handled on an individual basis by the staff. If an inactive team is not able to keep the amount of necessary players on the inactive roster (4), they will lose their inactive status and drop to division 3 for the next season. Q: What if teams split up? Who keeps the divisional spot? On NHLGamer, just like in real life, drama is to be expected. Sometimes it even finds its way into individual teams. But if teams split up, who keeps the spot? The staff will look at each individual case but, as a rule of thumb, the captain is considered the owner of the team. If a team has disagreements where, for example, the captain has lost the faith of his teammates and kicked most of them – he will have to explain his case to the staff. If both assistant captains and at least 3 other members that played for the team the season before applies ownership of the team, they will have a strong case to claim the team (however not the name of the team, unless agreed on with the captain). If a team is completely dismantled, they will not keep their spot in the division. Q: What about newly created teams that consist of established ECL players from several different teams? Do they have to start in ECL Amateur? To have highly skilled, established, experienced EASHL players form a new team only to play in ECL Amateur and be unevenly matched with completely new teams goes against what we’re trying to accomplish with this system. That said, we are aiming to create an environment where longevity, stability and consistency are some of the key factors moving forward. What follows is an attempt to balance these mindsets. Let us use a team from this season as an example; Laser HT. Laser, for those of you who don’t know, has been an established franchise in EASHL tournaments for years. Yet, they had not played in either ECL season 1 nor 2, but the players that today form Laser had. Many of them had even been a part of teams that made the finals, even won the tournaments. Now, ECL 3 was not based on divisions but if it had been – like in the future – Laser could have applied for Exceptional Team Status. This term is drawn from the OHL (Ontario Hockey League) where certain special players (lately John Tavares, Aaron Ekblad and Connor McDavid) have been granted Exceptional Player Status where they were allowed to “skip” one year of waiting to be drafted and were approved to be drafted to the OHL at age 15 instead of age 16. Similarly, new teams can apply for Exceptional Team Status in the ECL where they will be allowed to skip ECL Amateur and start in ECL Pro. At this point, new teams cannot apply directly for ECL Elite as it would undermine the idea of working your way up the divisions and staying there based on ECL results. Anyway, back to Laser. Had Laser applied the Staff would have granted them this status due to a few factors; Longevity and reputation (Several top tournament finishes in their history, always considered a top team when participating) Quality of players (most, if not all, players on the current Laser squad have been leading members and top point producers of teams that finished in the top-4 of both previous tournaments) EASHL 6vs6 ranking (they are ranked in the Top-10 of all European teams) When deciding Exceptional status, there will always be a subjective factor involved but bullet points like the ones in the example above will form the basis of any decision made on whether to grant exceptional status or not. Finally, the term “exceptional status” is there for a reason. These applications will only be granted under very special circumstances. Q: Will there be an ECL Season 5? Will it be played during NHL 17? When will the leagues start for NHL 18? The below are subject to change, but provide an overlook of our plans and what our suggestions are for the upcoming leagues: NHL 17: ECL Season 3 ends by 29.1.2017 ECL Season 4 starts 13.2.2017 and ends 2.4.2017 ECL Season 5 starts 24.4.2017 and ends 18.6.2017 Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league) NHL 18: releases 14.9.2017 (estimate) ECL Season 6 starts 16.10.2017 and ends 10.12.2017 ECL Season 7 starts 8.1.2018 and ends 4.3.2018 ECL Season 8 starts 2.4.2018 and ends 27.5.2018 Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league) Q: Are you guys out of your minds? This concept/detail x will never work! First of all, this is a proposition that we have set up for the community and we look forward to hearing your feedback. While we have a strong belief in that the plans we propose will be a good step for the community, we don’t blindly believe our plans to be perfect (nor that there is a perfect one-solution-fits-all solution) and we are open to discuss the subject as a whole or the smaller details as long as the discussion and feedback is constructive and respectful. Please elaborate on your own ideas. Verbally attacking the staff, or other community members will not be tolerated and may lead to disciplinary actions. That is all for now. Please feel free to share any and all thoughts you might have in the comment section below. On behalf of the NHLGamer.com Staff,6 points
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Dont you think divisions is a good incentive for teams to stick together? If what you are saying is true then a two division system would be fatal since ALL the top players would play in division 1 and it would be even more impossible for a division 2 club to attract players. ECL is a competitive tournament but with 3 divisions hopefully new clubs will find it easier to approach the tournament and doesn't get discouraged so easily and teams that don't "belong" there needs 2 months. I don't get why you say a year. I know every club is different and maybe our problem is specific to Synergy but we have huge problems playing these tournaments with 30 teams in the group. I'm not even sure we would be able to continue playing ECL if the group stage was this long every tournament. It kills the activity for regular eash-nights.4 points
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Same guy complaining about the guys complaining every year. Good job Imosi!4 points
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Well, looks like Viktor said what I was trying to say while I was typing my message.3 points
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Just speculating here, picking 16 teams with the best PPG for Elite right now: Written in the Stars Northern Stars Finnish Roosters X Factor Dynasty Nordic Blizzard Refuse to Lose White Trash Aapon Taikasauva Laser HT SIKA MUKIMIEHET Synergy Hockey Northern Ascendancy Nordic Lightning Nordic Nightmare Pro teams looking for promotion would include Sjukstugan, Fat Cats, Alliance HT etc. Looking through the teams, the skill gap between the worst teams in Elite and the best teams in Pro is minimal and in some cases might even favor the Pro teams. Again, I'm just speculating here, but going through that list I could definitely pick at least two teams that - barring some big transfers - would get relegated 99% of the time. So I guess what i'm saying is that the promotion/relegation without a playoff is fine, but I would like to see that kind of qualification round implemented anyhow.3 points
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Great to see that you're limiting season length to 8 weeks in the future =) Becouse I think that actually matters the most when our goal is to reach enjoyable and competive leagues for as many as possible. IMO ecl 2 was way better format than ecl3 this year. Since ECL2 was such an intense tournament and not many did walk away during it. I don't really have an strong opinion about them divisions but I do hope that them players who still want to compete against them best will get their shot for it. I also wish that casual gamers/teams could have their own tournaments if they're not even trying to reach the Elite division. And big thanks for NHLgamer staff and whole community of these tournaments that already have been played. NHLgamer is doing great job by offering NHL EASHL scene platform like this to establish teams to faceoff each other on the ice in league games =) Sincerely, kjkj2 points
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Huh...interesting. You are pretty much dismissing the arguments based on what teams we belong to. We know we are not representing the whole community and we know Jesus is not either. But it's up to anyone to discuss the matter no one here can force other members to voice their opinions although I also would like to hear them. We are also mostly discussing your point of view. We have barely discussed the fact that it is boring for those of us who keep spending a lot of time with this game to be faced with newly started teams (veterans or newcomers) every tournament. In my opinion I think the Pro division will be competitive...this is important to make teams stick. If you fail to reach the elite or gets relegated you will still have a very competitive tournament/season ahead of you. I would like to hear your proposition for the two division system though2 points
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@Jnmxxx The auto-relegated spot raises the stakes of the points race in the regular season for bottom teams in higher divisions. Can't you trade a little bit of competitiveness (and really as has been exposed, that bit is so little that it might not even exist at all) for some extra excitement? It's also a reward for teams that suffer through entier lower division reason and playoffs win. I think it's fine to give a guaranteed spot (or 2 as it is described but I think 1 would be better, anyway same principle). On a side note I quite dislike the top-player-centric turn this discussion seems to be taking. Also, I feel like the valid points I make are being drwoned in petty quarrels, that's not cool.2 points
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You've got a point. But on the other hand you're one step closer to a closed division if you dont. And we're trying to avoid that2 points
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I understand some of the concern in here, however I want to add to two of the points mentioned here: 3 instead of 2 divisions It is an important factor when it comes to timing. In my opinion (which does not represent the whole staff), it is important to create a dynamic environment which can only be achieved if it is possible to make noticeable leaps within one year (here: go from Div 3 to Div 1 within one year). With 2 divisions, I'm not sure if we meet the purpose of a division system. It would be no different to the current system if we break it down to the basics. Player base / available players 32 teams in Div 1/2 will not bloat their roster with an infinite amount of players (it does not work). In fact, if we compare the amount of players (32 x 10 = 320) with the amount of registered members, we end up with lots of free agents. On top of that, I have a feeling the general EASHL player base grew slightly compared to last year. Also, don't underestimate the effect we as a community can have to draw existing NHL players into the EASHL mode if we do exciting stuff. I agree about the community size so far, but what is your alternative? Wait and see until it's crumbling down? I'm not that kind of guy. And I know Kenu and the other staff guys aren't either. Let's just act and do new things instead of shutting down, eh?2 points
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This is where our opinion differs mate. A whole lot of mediocre teams will more or less always be the punching bags of the tournament as the format is now. A 3 division format would give all these teams some sort of realistic yet still very much competetive meaning and purpose. Heck i would even watch a BO7 series between a top div 3 team and a bottom div 2 just to see what team gets promoted. Man that shit is thrilling . Those same 2 teams playing against eachother in a "bigger division 2" groupstage (Billy mentioned grind)? Not nearly as interesting. Oh well, im not trying to talk anyone over. Of course people are gonna have different opinions about this. Im sure it will turn out fine in the end. PISS OUT!2 points
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Do not name the third division "amateur". A whole lot of experienced players will have to start out in that div. Spare them some dignity, they're not amateurs Regarding the division system: Not a day to soon. Great news!2 points
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This is interesting. I have not yet decided if I like the idea or not. But I have a question.. Is there a though behind making it a 3 tier/3 divisions system - elite (1), pro (2) and amateur (3) instead of a 2 tier/3 divisions system - elite (1) and 2x pro (2.1 and 2.2)? I think that a 2 tier/3 divisions system has more benefits. The top teams can compete against each other in the top division but you shorten the way for the bottom teams to reach the top league by placing them one tier below elite. This will also make the new teams facing some better teams instead of just facing "amateurs" thus letting them grow better and faster. It would also let teams like CoG that Jesus are talking about above skip playing in the amateur league with a non amateur team. I do see cons with this system as well, of course. I just wanted to know the thoughts behind the decision. /H. Sandström2 points
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I kind of agree with Jesus here. In a perfect world, the division system would benefit everyone. However, as it is, it will cater to the elite/top teams and completely disregard the needs of the mid- to low-tier teams. What do they want/need? I agree with everything Jesus has said about the skill gap becoming wider and wider because people don't want to join the teams that aren't in the top division. The division system will create its own ecosystem of top players and teams and isolate the rest of the players and teams out. I completely understand why the top teams and players want that, but what will it do for the community? We need fresh blood and players with motivation. I'm all for playing more meaningful games, but for the rest of the community "meaningful games" might be playing against and challenging the top teams. I don't think the issue is as big as it has been made out to be, but it's something to consider. I personally think the shorter seasons with more groups but all the teams has been the best concept thus far. EDIT: Just to reiterate, on a personal basis I love the fact that I get to play against only the best teams, but I think we should look at the bigger picture - how the division system affects the community as a whole.2 points
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After this ECL season Eric Daze is looking for active Finnish club that's gonna participate to next ECL. I've played most as RW and LW, but I am also decent backup LD. Contact me: PSN kinnune http://nhlgamer.com/player.php?playerID=3802 points
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In my opinion this would be a big step forward. Good job! Only thing that I've been wondering would it be better if that draft cup would be organized as the first tournament after release of each new NHL game because it would be possibly easier to find new players at that time.1 point
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@cHIIMEERa Ok. Well for the last few posts the discussion was about how best to decide the bottom 2 spots in Division 1. Also, the great majority of contributions to the discussion comes from D1 bound teams and that's less than representative of what the community thinks (although I have always suspected that this is a big gathering of sheep so maybe you are indeed the only guys who care about anything, but I digress...). It's too easy to promote a system where you don't suffer from any of its downsides. It's too easy to say "I get it you're mad" and leave out the "but please bite the bullet so I can have the best time for my top guy self". It's too easy to discard comments as coming from bitter low division people. Look at Silenttio's reply to Jesus it reads like "You wanna be in D1, tough shit dude". I have never mentioned agreeing with Jesus's crusade here but I do agree with him that some voices from the bottom would be welcome. They will make out the biggest portion of the new league after all. And I'm repeating myself, but the bottom guys should NOT be the biggest portion, it should be the middle guys. Whatever, FML. @Jnmxxx You're welcome.1 point
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Top team (JUST 1 - Winner of Pro div) are going to play in Elite Div! 2nd team playing with 15th(if there is 16) from Elite div - Best of seven! Simply - Winner secures their place in Elite division, others have to battle! PS - Motivation1 point
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Look at the bigger picture here. You will not be able to build a good team in division 3. Yet to get the hell out of there, you have to not only win the division but also win a bo7-series, only to be able to start building your team. If your #15 or #16 you don't belong with the big dogs. People have to understand what the consequence of divisions is. It means a divided league with most players flocking to the top division. The lowest division will be completely dead of talent. A wasteland, if you so will. I want two divisions because a lot of talent will stay in both divisions since instead of huge rosters in div 1, many players will start over in division 2. That way new teams and new collaborations will emerge.1 point
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I'm not going to argue on this subject anymore since i feel that we are not going anywhere in this conversation. I'm sure everybody got my point and i understand your point so i guess we just have to agree to disagree. Once more, its stupid1 point
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Gigantic rosters? Just because they would have chance to part of Elite team's roster, with playing 0 games? 8-10 is normal roster, what is gigantic? The problem here is not that huge. It'll be just like it is today. Feels like the problem is that you (or other bottom teams) dont have easy road no more to the Top league, to play in the league where everyone wants to play. Most of your arguments around your point of view (low tier team) dont convince me at all. @Jnmxxx has a fair point here but I think playing 30 regular season games (5 week time period) would be enough to solve that where you belong to. @cHIIMEERa said it well: that would bring Divisions more closed than they will be with this system. This brings more hunger and victory feeling to teams who go far in Div2 & Div3 playoffs. I mean seriously, if you're last in 30-game season, it's time to give someone else the chance. For an example, if SIKA plays very bad Elite season and Sjukstugan plays big in Div2 by winning the whole Pro league, I'd say they deserve the place in the Elite and we would need to shake things up to be better next season.1 point
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This is something i can agree with you. And by the way if we would put those 12 "elite" teams in regular season, there would still be few punching bags who would most likely finish the tournament only with few wins.1 point
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It's not that simple. One reason why most leagues have 2 spots open for the newcomers is the fact that div 2 teams rarely competes with div 1 fairly. Div 2 usually, don't have the resources of attracting as good players. They can only start building, when they reach division 1. So in fact. To only have play in will always be in favor of the div 1 team. Not fair play.1 point
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Thats the thing. I dont think there are enough "PRO" teams that can contest "The Elites" in a BO71 point
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I didn't say any names. And NOW is the time to discuss about the changes. I hope we get as many opinions as possible. I understand your fear about teams and players stops playing but this is a good start and I think we should try it. I'm sorry, I haven't had the time to read all the posts. But few guys have good ideas for making the 2nd division wider, but in the end we are in the same situation as we are now. I'm sure people thinks 2 division is bad. It is not I can assure you. It's gonna be really really tough in both upper divisions and you will have 3 (3 ecls) opportunities to be promoted to division 2 and the to) division one. Summarum. It's gonna be a lots of drama in upcoming tournament and good teams/top teams will get relegated and good teams will get promoted. I also really like that there is gonna be tournaments all around the year in the future. But what's in it for I'm gonna retire anyway some day AGAIN;)...1 point
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It's far from closed division since every team still will have a chance to get promoted to elite division. If they are not good enough to beat #15 and #16 in relegation series then they are not good enough to play in elite division. It's really simple and im actually amazed that somebody will talk about "competitive" divisions and still leaves a chance that actually elite division does not have the top 16 teams in there.1 point
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No, there won't be many good players available. In this tournament, there was perhaps 300 players who played more than 20 games. The player pool will also be smaller with this system. The best we can hope for is bigger rosters in already existing teams. However, since most GMs will only front 6-8 guys, most guys will lose interest and stop playing. Reality is that even guy #10 on a div 1 or div 2 team, will not get himself traded to a division 3 team. You also talk about a growing EASHL. Well, it dosen't matter. You will not be able to sell NHLgamer with the argument "Come and play in division 3". EASHL-teams is already dead and tired of divisions and the road to division 1. Now you make them go through more divisions again, in order for them to compete. In fact, you use the old Rammjagsingh-tactic of not making things accessible. You talk about a dynamic league. Well, there will still be leaps between divisions every tournament with two divisions. How dynamic is it to have a lot of ok teams in division 3? For most div 3 teams, there won't be any leaps anyhow. So there is nothing dynamic about it. Let's focus on making div 1 and 2 dynamic and more fun instead.1 point
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Why there is 2 guaranteed promotion and relegation spots? IMO there should always be promotion/relegation series. If theres guarenteed promotions then there is huge chance that there is NOT 16 best teams in elite division. Just plain stupid.1 point
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Same guys complaining every year that we need changes and this site is lacking stuff and staff. Now that there is coming big changes, they complain about that as well. Good job boys!1 point
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Whether we have been active or not is irelevant to the point of having 2 divisions instead of 3. It will be 2 months for some, but for most ok teams it will rather be a year. Most ok teams will never continue trying to reach div 2 and div 3 will be killed off whether you like it or not. It also depends on how much this exceptional status-thing is abused. If rarely used the top of division 3 will be tougher than people expect, which also will kill the fun for lesser teams. In the end however, the staff will be forced to be more liberal in the ruling if they don't want to see to many good players stop playing. History tells us that not many players stick with each other for long. We should give them a natural plattform to start over. To me it's also kind of weird talking about taking NHL to a e-sport level, and then talk about exceptional status for certain teams. How is this e-sport worthy? Again. This wouldn't be a problem with two divisions. I don't like the fact that all new teams will be crippled from the start. My perspective is actually kind of important here, since I represent someone who was thinking about starting a new club. This system award players who instead of starting a new club, tries to get themselfs traded to another team. The community will really hurt from this. There is no growing potential with this system.1 point
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I'm not even against a 3-division system but you're either lying or wrong here. Even 2 divisions are fundamentally different from a group based tournament. Anyway I am still waiting for a rationale for making the least enjoyable part of your league, the 3rd division, the biggest part of it, and probably trending up. I would at the very least balance that out by offering a lot more spots in the balance between D2 and D3. I'd be cool with this: - Start D3 playoffs at round of 16. - D3 playoff winner takes D2 last place in D2 - other 7 D3 quarter finalists do relegation stage vs D2 #9 to #15 Before anyone says that's too much turnover, it's justified turnover if teams win their promotion, right? But more importantly, I want to say it again coz I don't want it to be lost in the other shit I write, the middle division should be the bigger division imo. By the way...I vote for naming divisions Hobbit division, LOTR division and Silmarillion division, from worst to best obviously. Another Tolkien book joke. I'm on (secret) fire!1 point
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I dont wanna be a sourpuss but, League of Legends highest achievable tier (progamers basicly) is called challenger.1 point
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You can do everything what you want in these "division" or no divisions the endresult wouldbe same as last tries, but if you go while a back "EHL" and there was a 2x20teams group and 16 did go to playoffs in both sides it was actually pretty nice in that way and all played to the end. (yeah i understand that we need still division),You dont have to be a sherlock if you guys thinked that this 30teams group willwork and all teams would play to end off regular season.. well i gues you were wrong again. Then we go to the this new(old) division system 16 teams and 8 goes to Poffs = is total hit to the face of this community. Still dont get why you have to make it all new systems to this after all a little community and now i think you just make it more little. Were are not even a close of those biggames like CS:GO, etc. and still you trying to make this something like that in this system. its not possiple with this community side. I think you guys just make a idiotic choise and you make this "ecl" community just smaller and we all will see that again. My conclusion = this will falldown hard and you wrecked half of this year game. (i hope im wrong)1 point
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I think that if the expansion of ECL teams follows that of NHLGamer users in any sort of way, you'll soon get half of the teams in the "amateur" division. I myself am not necessarily against the 3 division system but I think the middle division should have the most players, not the bottom division. Now yuou can discard my observation as trying to get myself into Division 2, and I guess it's also true, but I really do feel that there is a small-ish amount of top teams, a small-ish amount of bad teams, and the majority is average and so if the goal of division is to separate teams by playing ability the middle should be biggest. Also, I certainly don't speak for the whole community by any means but at least if, in the event that we try to bring back CoG, we're slotted in the bottom division, what is likely gonna happen is we won't be able to recruit good players and as a result we will not take part in the tourney. Maybe Jesus can join some team but I'm pretty sure Raixor and I will just "retire". To be honest I'm thinking about quitting this ECL given the unlikelyhood of my current club reaching playoffs because what's the point anymore? If I'm gonna retire anyway after this why would I suffer through the end of this fucking grind of a tournament we are currently playing? So while the jury is still out on whether this division system will grow the community, there will be at least one casualty of the system... ...Which is ironic since I've been championning a division system since forever ago. Oh well, you know what they say... FML.1 point
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@Jesus, I get it mostly, but how it's going to be different with top players playing only in top divisions. When this have happened before? When some superstar player has just decided to get some low tier team to the playoffs, or anything like that? Unknown did it with NOR but Unknown didn't have full team that season, and "half" of them got NOR to next level. Cool story but not the one we're looking for here. They could still make stories like this happen though. When I think these things, I always think how this and that guy from that team would feel about this. I just see big opportunity here to other teams earn their spots with the big boys, and make name for themselves by playing. Building the team - if they're new - learning the game and still playing against better teams in EASHL. That's how you get better, that's how you practice. Playing two league-games per season against some good teams is nothing compared to grinding EASHL - odds are pretty bad for the new team anyways if they would play in the Div2 with second biggest dogs in the world. C'mon guys. For once, try to think three divisions positively. These days there are so many good teams around that there will be tough teams and players in Div2 next season, for sure. Why we shouldn't have everybody abroad? I cant see the big problem here. Sure, bad teams will play in Div3, okay, so what, thats logical right? If/when some "good" team gets relegated to 3div, I think they are in the right spot then as some other more hungry teams have battled for spot in the 2div, and earned it. Less scaring of things changing and more competing. Period. And @cHIIMEERa, I think they have amateur leagues, teams and players in real life as well and they're not mad about what their called of. How about Platinum, Gold and Silver championships? I know right...1 point
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In a magical ideal world I would overhaul the power strucuture on this website like this: 1 ) Separate web designers and tournament rule makers. It's not the same tasks at all. One guy may be a link between the 2 but really, there should be more people in both areas and they should stick to their task in order to do them more efficiently / quickly. 2 ) Possibly you may even add people to do the day to day tournament administration (fixing game reports and other such minor things). 3 ) Make it harder to become the owner of a team and give owners more power to influence tournaments by making a board of owners that would be tasked with voting for / against rule changes and basically approving the product given by the rule makers, but voting doesn't have to be limited to that. 4 ) No 2 jobs at the same time. I find it ridiculous that NHLGamer staff can also be team owners. On an unrelated note, I like points 1, 2 and 4 in Dominointi's post. Do those please.1 point
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I'm glad to see there's some good discussion going on atm. There's a lot of opinions and points of view on this matter and most importantly, everyone is motivating and reasoning their views. We'll be sharing our plans with you tomorrow and we hope to get some more feedback and thoughts then. Feel free to keep discussing in the mean time, of course. As for the PM sharing case, well, that's not something I respect. I'm glad it resulted in some good discussion, though. I felt bad for forgetting to get back to iSvamp about his question in regards to the divisions, so I wrote him a rather quick reply in order to briefly explain the different dilemmas that we are facing when putting together our plan for how the divisions should work. The point being that we are aware of his team having a long history and that we try to take all angles into consideration. The main point I was trying to make in the message, was that we're aware of his concerns and that we will be posting about our plans soon and be open for feedback. Apparently I wasn't clear enough in my communication, as what happened next was being sent messages that, A) had a bunch of great content and constructive feedback, but B) sadly a little too much not-so-suddle hints of the staff being idiots. In my opinion @MartindalexC wrote a very good post in this thread and I agree with him about respect. People can disagree even to a great extent, but still see the other parties point of view and respect the other person and their reasoning behind their views. That doesn't stop the other person feeling like I'm wrong, but it makes a good platform for a healthy discussion. Then there's people who think it's ok to say "with all due respect, you're an idiot" (not an actual quote). My point being, that their thought process is if you say something kinda nice to start your message, you can just blast away insults afterwards. I'm always open for feedback and constructive criticism, but verbally attacking the staff will not be tolerated. The cause may be good and the underlying logic for the criticism may be valid, but it does not merit attacking any member of the community, whether a staff member or not.1 point
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This has got to be the best contract signing bonus in eashl/ehl history!! I'm sorry to tell you but all goalscoring finns are under 18 years old so they are not allowed to drink and everybody over 18 basically drink too much and can't score goals1 point