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First episode's name is Pilot. Just like I wrote earlier, our guests will be Plee and Janbo. Btw, Janbo said that he can translate the episode and make some kind of summary from the most important subjects etc. Episodes will be shared in different part of subjects. Pilot, for example, will be built like this: - Cast; talking little bit of ourselves and our teams - What is Truth of Hockey? - NHLGamer generally - ECL 3 - Divisions and discussion around it - Questions & Answer ...and maybe something else as well. Pilot will be our first and probably the longest episode ever, so there will be lots of discussion. I want to add that even though we talk on divisions etc. in the Pilot, we will talk about these things later with other guests as well, as we want to hear what people think on these subjects. Questions? If you want your questions to be answered in the Pilot, send them to me privately in NHLGamer. If you're not finnish, we will discuss the question in finnish and have shorter answers in english here, on this topic. We will list every question before the show starts, but you can ask them as well in the stream chat while we're doing the show. Spider will be participating with the chat during the show.

Well this thread turned ugly real quick. Lets face it - there are both good reasons for and against it. Either way - it's rather obvious that there's one side pushing their own personal agenda in order to get them in a better position for the upcoming tournaments. That said, I'm personally against giving teams a free pass, regardless of the circumstances. Why? Because it completely undermines the whole division system and at that point one can easily question why there's a need for such system in the first place. Also this would set a precedent where other teams could try doing the same and ask for a free pass to advance to higher divisions. Who will decide if a team belongs to be placed in a higher division? Who exactly has the knowledge and capabilities to accurately determine which team belongs in which division? I can only see it turning into an ugly, highly opinionated and subjective mess. For this to work there needs to be a solid set of ground-rules that clearly define the divisions and the whole promotion/relegation process. There's no room for subjectivity or opinions, otherwise this whole community will be a dumpster fire with constant arguing.

Truth of Hockey is our brand new talkshow program. This topic will work as its information- and discussion topic. Language we speak is going to be finnish, but if we decide to have european guest(s), we will have english episodes as well. ToH will be hosted by me, and other regular faces in it will be @Anbtbl and @SpiderRoyal. We will have two guests per episode, and Pilot episode's guests are going to be @plee999 and @janbonator. Program will be streamed on SIKA's Twitch channel, and we will upload every episode to our Youtube channel as well. Length of one episode will be from 45 minutes to two hours. First season is supposes to be five episodes long, but we dont have any certain schedule atleast for now, in publishing the episodes. Point of doing this is basically to create something new to our community and wake up some discussion. Things will be said straight, but we will try to keep it clean but I cant promise anything. If someone has - lets say questionable or rough - opinion on some object we're discussing, he can say it. I repeat, things will be said straight. Finally, we want to make clear that this is SIKA's show but we still act as individuals. Any questions, feedback and ideas are very welcome. Season 1: #1. Pilot (finnish) #2. ECL3 Playoffs: Round 1 (finnish) #3. ECL3 Playoffs: Round 2 (finnish) #4. English please (english) #5. Recap & Future - 5/2/2017 (english) Season 2 starts on late-February.

I'm glad to see there's some good discussion going on atm. There's a lot of opinions and points of view on this matter and most importantly, everyone is motivating and reasoning their views. We'll be sharing our plans with you tomorrow and we hope to get some more feedback and thoughts then. Feel free to keep discussing in the mean time, of course. As for the PM sharing case, well, that's not something I respect. I'm glad it resulted in some good discussion, though. I felt bad for forgetting to get back to iSvamp about his question in regards to the divisions, so I wrote him a rather quick reply in order to briefly explain the different dilemmas that we are facing when putting together our plan for how the divisions should work. The point being that we are aware of his team having a long history and that we try to take all angles into consideration. The main point I was trying to make in the message, was that we're aware of his concerns and that we will be posting about our plans soon and be open for feedback. Apparently I wasn't clear enough in my communication, as what happened next was being sent messages that, A) had a bunch of great content and constructive feedback, but B) sadly a little too much not-so-suddle hints of the staff being idiots. In my opinion @MartindalexC wrote a very good post in this thread and I agree with him about respect. People can disagree even to a great extent, but still see the other parties point of view and respect the other person and their reasoning behind their views. That doesn't stop the other person feeling like I'm wrong, but it makes a good platform for a healthy discussion. Then there's people who think it's ok to say "with all due respect, you're an idiot" (not an actual quote). My point being, that their thought process is if you say something kinda nice to start your message, you can just blast away insults afterwards. I'm always open for feedback and constructive criticism, but verbally attacking the staff will not be tolerated. The cause may be good and the underlying logic for the criticism may be valid, but it does not merit attacking any member of the community, whether a staff member or not.

Hey looking for team to next ECL. pos: rw lw ld rd. Best pos RW or RD. Played couple 6v6 games before. Msg to Psn: KingOfApes_ http://nhlgamer.com/player.php?playerID=233

The idea is good, except groups and automatic relegation doesnt go well together. There shouldnt be a question of which group you end up in. Even now and previous tournaments without relegation there is always speculation of which group is toughest etc. If we have divisions with several groups then we need some kind of playoff/relegation series. Personally Id like to see 16 teams in division 1. 30 teams are too many, more than half the teams in this tournament.

1. I would like to see Team Finland vs Team Sweden vs Team Europe. 12 players for each team, 2 different lineups. 1st lineup could be voted in here and 2nd is chosen by nhlgamer stuff. 2. Make interviews. So many people are totally unknown to me. Would be nice to read or listen those. I actually like some stuff Sika& Rv are doing so keep it up! 3. I dont like the fact that I have to put stream up manually everytime. Its not a big thing to fix and it helps your customers. 4. Dont punish people for quiting in long tourney. It just makes no sense. You dont want less people playing on your site. If divisions are created make them start from the bottom. Thats enough for punishment you dont have to give bans etc. 5. If people want to create new teams just make them earn their spot in the league. For example if they want to play in 1st division they have to play against team which is placed 10-16 or chosen by nhlgamer etc.

So we're not allowed to publicly question decisions? I'm curious as to what you think respect actually means. It doesn't mean blind obligation, it doesn't mean copious amounts of compliments need to be spewed out. It simple means that someone should be viewed as a person, not as an infallible figure head. Just because someone holds a 'position' higher than one's self, that doesn't mean they're inherently better equipped to deal with situations than someone further down the totem pole if it were. As such, any questioning should be welcomed. Of course at that point we're talking constructive questioning. The fact you are calling for a fucking better way to voice displeasure than a well thought out post makes me question what the fuck you're on about. What would be a better way? Internal questioning? Well in that case we'd end up at the same position, a public post detailing the same information, just now worded differently. The goal would remain the same, to spread this information to as many people as possible and to gauge a reaction. " What is your opinion and thoughts about it? " - Svamp " Don't forget to vote on the poll! " - Kenu " We are suggesting 3 game-days per week, unless the community is strongly against it. " - Kenu " This is up for discussion, it is only our suggestion. " - Kenu " The thing is though, that our opinions are not the absolute truth, so we want to hear what the community wants and how they respond to these ideas. " - Kenu Note: This isn't meant as a slight against Kenu in anyway so don't even try and take it that way, it's just an example that while Svamp may be a little pissed, at the end of the day what is exactly 'wrong' about how he handled it? I respect Kenu, he's trying to accomplish something (that I assume in his head is grand) and as such I would assume everyone here could agree that that warrants respect. Blind praise however? Hell no. If anyone here thinks that respect means you can't even question someone critically then you need to read a fucking dictionary. Personally I don't like the way Kenu goes about things but then again, that doesn't fucking matter, because at the end of the day on a person to person basis I respect him. We may have vastly differing opinions on certain things but I've always tried to be cordial, explain my thoughts as clearly as possible, as well as be as respectful as possible, that doesn't mean however I shouldn't be able to write pieces that effectively completely negative to his decisions. We're here to build a site yes? So stop blowing smoke up everyone's ass and actually work through issues instead of just playing hot potato. A competent CEO surround by yes men is likely to do worse than an incompetent CEO surrounded by people that can actually critically think about shit. Again, this is an example so don't try to make this out as though I'm describing the NHL gamer staff through some cryptic code. Oddly enough on a side note, if we're talking about being respectful, would calling the league commissioner a cunt be classed as respectful? Furthermore, if people want a reminder, this whole "division" system has been talked about for almost a year now and still it's 'a work in progress':

I don't see what's the problem here? What's the point of this public shitstorm? How does SIKA involve in this? You have a good point but I'm sure there is a lot more mature way to discuss about it. The staff clearly said they will do everything that unknown is in The league where they belong. That last shitstorm against furyan is imo way to harsh and that won't help you at all. He's done an excellent job this season and during the summer.

Okey, I will go public with this. This is some messages between Unknown and the NHLgamer-staff about future divisions and some questions about our returning to the ECL-Scene after 1 short break b/c job and other stuffs. We basically asked if we in "Unknown" was a team that in a future tournament with divisions needed to show the community "what we can and not can on the ice" - if we were forced to play in the lower division or not. Some history for you that don't remember us. 3 tournaments as "Unknown", 1 EC gold and 1 EHL gold on xbox360 in NHL 13 and NHL 14. 1 EHL gold on PS3 in NHL 15 + 1 gold as members or Northern Ascendancy in NHL 14@xbox360 (5 of 6 players from unknown in that final against NOS). With that said - 4 tournaments, 4 straight titles back in the days. A solid team I would say. Last year - did not play b/c I had some army-thingys. This tournament - not enough players until it was too late to reg for this tournament. Now - back, and waiting for the next tournament. https://www.easports.com/se/nhl/clubs/ps4/Unknown You remember my question? this was the answer we got, and the following discussion. (I think this is an important thing for the whole community to see and discuss it) ------------------------------------------------------ (NHL GAMER STAFF answers) Hey man, extremely sorry for forgetting to give you a reply on this. The reason why you didn't get an immediate response (while we should've given you at least something), is that we didn't have an absolute answer to your question. Long-ish answer: The thing is, on one hand we want to encourage teams sticking together and building these franchises over a longer period of time. The constant shredding of teams and creating new super teams kinda fights against that ideology, so from that perspective, we want to say "No, you will have to start from the bottom". Then, on the other hand, you make a fair point about a team like Unknown, that has amazing merits and clearly doesn't belong in the 3rd division. From that perspective, we want to say "Hey, let's figure something out". We're still a bit on the fence about the details on how exactly to not be total A-holes towards teams like Unknown making a comeback, while still strongly supporting the ideology of continuity and team building. The details about how we intend to tackle these things will be released this week and we will of course be open for constructive criticism and ideas. Short answer: We'll try to pencil you guys in somehow, cause we know you deserve to be fighting with the big boys. We just need to make it work as a concept. Sorry again for accidentally ignoring you! Kind regards, (NHL Gamer Staff) - edited name. -------------------------------------------------- (Unknown Answers) Whatsup, i couldn't remember if you spoke Swedish or not so ill just take it in English instead. (Some other raging) - censored. " The thing is, on one hand we want to encourage teams sticking together and building these franchises over a longer period of time. The constant shredding of teams and creating new super teams kinda fights against that ideology, so from that perspective, we want to say "No, you will have to start from the bottom". " A bit later you also mention that returning or new teams MAY end up getting placed together with teams that lose most of their games with 15-0 in division 3, In other words, you're planning on punishing teams, not because they do anything wrong, but because they dont subscribe to your and the rest of the NHLgamers admins ideas on how teams are "supposed" to be . The whole thing you guys have going about pushing things that i can only assume that you want because it is more "professional" (like the whole only allowing real names debacle) is quite worrying since it seems like there is no actual intention of actually making the site or the community better, its just implemented to fulfill someones dream about how the scene "should" look. Why should players be forced to play with the same people tournament after tournament with no option of playing with a new team? The main problem is that the idea is straight up flawed though. What happens when a team split like Sika and En Hund? With what you are currently talking about the division 1 spot will be given to the team who keeps the name, which may as well just be the 2 worst players on the team and the 6 other guys who are more than good enough to play in division 1 get stuck in the 3rd one because the name of the club isn't the same as it was 1 week ago. What happens when 2 teams across divisions merge? What happens when the inevitable of people trying to take over teams by kicking long term members because they can't create a new team? As it is you are forcing people to stick to their team and not create or merge new teams. At the very least this will make it so much harder for smaller teams and newer players to actually compete with the best because the teams will be shut and will only rotate a few players at the time. At worst teams and players will stop playing all together because they are not allowed to play with the players they want to play with since i don't think there will be a single club who currently are division 1 material willing to start of in division 3. I do appreciate what you've done for the community with NHLgamer, i really do, but i think this is incredible stupid. This has the chance of killing of quite a few teams if handled poorly. And for what? Because someone thought it would look neater on paper if we had franchises? Because someone thinks there is a correct and a incorrect way of how teams are formed and created? If you want to have some idealistic dream on how the scene is supposed to look, start with making it easier for new talented players to get into better teams, not completely isolate the top which is what it looks like you're trying to do currently. -------------------------------------------------------------------- (NHL Gamer Staff Answers) Hey man and thanks for your constructive and well written message. I am currently at work and don't have the time to write a proper answer, but I'll just try to write a couple quick notes below. I have also added the rest of our staff to take a look at your feedback. The main thing I was trying to explain to Svamp was the two extremes we're dealing with and that we're trying to offer a solution that takes into account these things. I didn't go deep into detail because a) I don't personally have all the details, b) I didn't have the time and c) the details are to be covered by the news story (which we will of course also take feedback on) . This is why I chose the personal message approach, as a quickly-ish written message doesn't always do well when analysed in closer detail and I was hoping to get the feedback and questions from Svamp - or in this case you - which is great. I did not write it publically, because I wasn't writing absolute facts and I didn't want my ponderings up for public review at this stage, as I know the work @gzell60 and @The_Alpha_Furyan have put into this project will be able to discuss the matter in much greater detail. All the points you bring up are indeed valid and things we have to take into account. Again, thanks for your post, and we're happy to discuss this matter further, but I gotta get back to work. PS: I do speak Swedish, but for the purpose of being able to efficiently discuss these topics without a great amount of translation work, I appreciate the English messages. + I will let (Other staff member) respond if he wants to draft a longer response to what you wrote here, but I would like to take the chance to ask if you read the rest of Kenus message to iSvamp where you got the quoted part from? It goes like this: "Then, on the other hand, you make a fair point about a team like Unknown, that has amazing merits and clearly doesn't belong in the 3rd division. From that perspective, we want to say "Hey, let's figure something out". We're still a bit on the fence about the details on how exactly to not be total A-holes towards teams like Unknown making a comeback, while still strongly supporting the ideology of continuity and team building. The details about how we intend to tackle these things will be released this week and we will of course be open for constructive criticism and ideas. Short answer: We'll try to pencil you guys in somehow, cause we know you deserve to be fighting with the big boys. We just need to make it work as a concept." We are listening to all ideas and input, before and after we release the actual official information post --------------------------------------------------- (Unknown answers) I did (Censored name), you clearly didn't read mine though. Ill give you a pass however, i've heard that you have had trouble with your reading comprehension before. My problem isn't whether a specific team that i'm not even on will get fucked over by this, it's, like its pretty clearly says in my message, that this accomplishes nothing while potentially killing teams off. Yeah, my message is mostly about the utterly insane fucking idea that you want to "encourage" teams to stick together. Sure, you may end up encouraging teams that stick together by sending a congratulation message every time they enter consecutive tournaments or some other completely meaningless thing and this turns out to be a non-problem. The way (other Staff member) is phrasing it however makes it sounds like you are going to make it much harder for teams that are reforming to ever actually get a chance at getting in to division 1, which is a huge problem for no other reason that again, you think there is only one correct way of forming teams for god knows what reason. The other part of that whole thing that i didn't even get into is the division systems since it boggles my mind that you are still trying to implement it even after Billy has explained time and time again why it is a straight up flawed system for a gaming league. I didn't mention it because really, if you haven't realized it by now, you never will. At least your reasoning for implementing all of these things (real names, 3 divisions, "encouraging" longevity among teams) are because you want to do whats best for the community and not at all to fulfill some weird fantasy about this being a real esport with franchises and shit that nobody but you believe in. But hey, maybe that's what i should expect from the guy that is currently writing those lovely news stories and the guy that think that a player dropping 3 minutes in to the game means that the rest of the game should be played with a bot in a 6v6 league. ________________________________________________ So this is the "wish líst thread" - and this should be important for many of you out there. Let's discuss it! What is your opinion and thoughts about it? Bring it on. / Svamp, Unknown

Here are my personal thoughts and wishes on the future of NHLGamer and ECL. It's more like bunch of notes than wall of text, but anyways here it is. ECL Wishlist 1. Get comments back to game reports. I know it's not that big deal but I'd say that our community would like to have it back. 2. Using whole time period of NHL-game, like the other competetive sites do with their leagues and games. Yeah, it might sound too much now but after all it would be best for the community to play this game a lot, and hey, after all there would be only two leagues per year, with two shorter Cups. --> 2x Elite ECL leagues per year (+ divisions) --> 1x Euro Cup, big tournament with every team who wants to play > as much as possible groups, about 6 teams per group which would keep the Cup short. Just like Football and Hockey has their short tournaments before/during/after their real seasons. --> 1x Summer Cup in July-August, snake draft teams etc. 3. Bigger Staff. To make this whole thing really work, NHLGamer needs to have strong and active Staff. I'm not saying there should be over 20 guys deciding what to do or anything but more people, with different tasks and responsibilities would definitely be better than handful of guys. And after this, create new topic or site where is every Staff member, their introductions, what their main tasks are and how to contact them. Community needs to know about our Staff. --> site-admins: big bosses, all-arounders --> moderators: league maintenance, news, articles, interviews --> country captains: this is something new I've had in my mind for some weeks now and the meaning of this would be basically to have certain guys representing their countries team captains. For an example, one finnish, one swedish, one russian and one "european" person, and their only task would be to keep things clear between our captains and Staff. If this sounds stupid, then get bigger group of moderators who have their own responsibilites (certain guys taking care of certain groups/countries). -->team captains: I guess everybody knows what this means. But I just wanna say if someone really wants to be captain of their team, and gets his team to the ECL for example: respect the rules, staff and your opponents. 4. Profile-info in the forum, which people would see when we write here. Just a little subtile add to forum, not much. Example: vSilenttio Advanced Member +148 Team: SIKA PSN ID: vSilenttio Gamertag: Silenttio Twitch: vSilenttio Posts: 58 5. Bring us wild cards! For an example, if there's 30 teams in ECL, 15 per group, lets have wild card spots. Six best teams go straight to the playoffs, 7th-10th teams battle for remaining two playoff-spots. Teams that dont make playoffs (11-15th placed teams in both groups), would battle in elimination round for their next seasons ECL ticket. Five losers from these five pairs get eliminated. Hope here's something what you guys could even consider to do in the future of NHLGamer.

This has got to be the best contract signing bonus in eashl/ehl history!! I'm sorry to tell you but all goalscoring finns are under 18 years old so they are not allowed to drink and everybody over 18 basically drink too much and can't score goals

Forward is looking for a club! If your club is looking for an opportunity to strengthen their offense to the ECL Playoffs I'm pretty much the man you need. I haven't played actively in NHL 17 but now I will start to play more regularly, In NHL 17 I have played mostly in well-known teams like Northern Stars, Written In The Stars and Synergy. In NHL 16 I played in HC Circus and The United Knights. As a player I'm very dangerous player in the offensive zone and I'm also able to step up in tight games. My weakness is that my hands aren't anymore so soft as they used to be back in the days but I'm pretty positive that they will get softer when I start to play more regularly. My main position is LW but I can also play as a RW or Center. Feel free to contact me on PSN. My EHL and ECL stats: http://consolehockey.com/profile/Filariou/teamplay/hockey/xbox/ http://nhlgamer.com/player.php?playerID=195