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Truth of Hockey is our brand new talkshow program. This topic will work as its information- and discussion topic. Language we speak is going to be finnish, but if we decide to have european guest(s), we will have english episodes as well. ToH will be hosted by me, and other regular faces in it will be @Anbtbl and @SpiderRoyal. We will have two guests per episode, and Pilot episode's guests are going to be @plee999 and @janbonator. Program will be streamed on SIKA's Twitch channel, and we will upload every episode to our Youtube channel as well. Length of one episode will be from 45 minutes to two hours. First season is supposes to be five episodes long, but we dont have any certain schedule atleast for now, in publishing the episodes. Point of doing this is basically to create something new to our community and wake up some discussion. Things will be said straight, but we will try to keep it clean but I cant promise anything. If someone has - lets say questionable or rough - opinion on some object we're discussing, he can say it. I repeat, things will be said straight. Finally, we want to make clear that this is SIKA's show but we still act as individuals. Any questions, feedback and ideas are very welcome. Season 1: #1. Pilot (finnish) #2. ECL3 Playoffs: Round 1 (finnish) #3. ECL3 Playoffs: Round 2 (finnish) #4. English please (english) #5. Recap & Future - 5/2/2017 (english) Season 2 starts on late-February.

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1. I would like to see Team Finland vs Team Sweden vs Team Europe. 12 players for each team, 2 different lineups. 1st lineup could be voted in here and 2nd is chosen by nhlgamer stuff. 2. Make interviews. So many people are totally unknown to me. Would be nice to read or listen those. I actually like some stuff Sika& Rv are doing so keep it up! 3. I dont like the fact that I have to put stream up manually everytime. Its not a big thing to fix and it helps your customers. 4. Dont punish people for quiting in long tourney. It just makes no sense. You dont want less people playing on your site. If divisions are created make them start from the bottom. Thats enough for punishment you dont have to give bans etc. 5. If people want to create new teams just make them earn their spot in the league. For example if they want to play in 1st division they have to play against team which is placed 10-16 or chosen by nhlgamer etc.

The idea is good, except groups and automatic relegation doesnt go well together. There shouldnt be a question of which group you end up in. Even now and previous tournaments without relegation there is always speculation of which group is toughest etc. If we have divisions with several groups then we need some kind of playoff/relegation series. Personally Id like to see 16 teams in division 1. 30 teams are too many, more than half the teams in this tournament.

My only wish is: there would be stats for defenseman too.

Im sure svump is balls deep with both Craig and norpe ATM (pun intended). But honestly, unknown isnt the big mystery you want it to be. Actually I think a lot of ppl are just tired hearing about it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're are playing all these 10-0 games this season to get divisions? Lots of really boring hours. And then the holy unknown should dismantle 2-3 teams and get a freepass to div 1? Yes?

"Oddly enough on a side note, if we're talking about being respectful, would calling the league commissioner a cunt be classed as respectful?" What is that supposed to mean? Maybe I'm too old but my "better" way is to figure the problem out together; discuss about it, maybe if we all don't agree we should take a vote (captains). Just ideas. Once again everybody knows unknown is and will be in the top division. If you have an own opinion or if you're pissed, you sure could take it public without making such a drama. Just remember Kenu, Lurkki and the whole staff does this purely as a hobby and totally free. Together we can make it better everybody has to look at the mirror. Both sides! Going on to personal things (how bad you think a staff member does his job or who does this and that ) or that amount of swearing is just well.. I'm too old for this shit. I agree on your "wishes" and problems but just take it easy and lets try to figure them out together. A reminder. This is only my personal thoughts. If you take this personal it's his problem. We can also take it privately. And I know svamp. This is just the goal he wanted. Happy? I rest my case.

5. Bring us wild cards! For an example, if there's 30 teams in ECL, 15 per group, lets have wild card spots. Six best teams go straight to the playoffs, 7th-10th teams battle for remaining two playoff-spots. Teams that dont make playoffs (11-15th placed teams in both groups), would battle in elimination round for their next seasons ECL ticket. Five losers from these five pairs get eliminated. This is a really good idea from @vSilenttio, but i would make the 1st division ( "ECL") 2 groups with 16 teams in each. I also suggest that two teams from each group gets relegated and 4 teams from the 2nd division would be promoted to ECL. And because we just have to start from somewhere maybe the teams reaching the playoffs now have a spot in the ECL 4. Wildcard spots and the fight for the ECL group spots could keep up the motivation for all the teams.

So if you are not in Unknown and Connor is not in Unknown and Anrh is not in Unknown and Terasniska is not in Unknown then this discussion is really about whether or not Svamp should play in division 1 or 3? I vote for 3! Is there a poll?

"I sent 2 messages i spent 15 minutes each at tops to tell them that the entire concept is stupid because i got annoyed at the message they sent Svamp, not because i wanted to start a shit flinging contest in a thread." Soooo... yeah. Have fun in division 3

Well this thread turned ugly real quick. Lets face it - there are both good reasons for and against it. Either way - it's rather obvious that there's one side pushing their own personal agenda in order to get them in a better position for the upcoming tournaments. That said, I'm personally against giving teams a free pass, regardless of the circumstances. Why? Because it completely undermines the whole division system and at that point one can easily question why there's a need for such system in the first place. Also this would set a precedent where other teams could try doing the same and ask for a free pass to advance to higher divisions. Who will decide if a team belongs to be placed in a higher division? Who exactly has the knowledge and capabilities to accurately determine which team belongs in which division? I can only see it turning into an ugly, highly opinionated and subjective mess. For this to work there needs to be a solid set of ground-rules that clearly define the divisions and the whole promotion/relegation process. There's no room for subjectivity or opinions, otherwise this whole community will be a dumpster fire with constant arguing.

I have no idea why Svamp posted my PM's to Kenu and Furyan, you have to ask him about that, but since he did i may as well just answer this. You are right, SIKA shouldnt be involved in this and they aren't either. I used SIKA as an example of a team that split up and created a new team and what could hypothetically happen with their whole "encouraging teams to stick together" if shits hits the fan. I have no idea how you think that this means that i involved SIKA in any way. And i clearly said that i wasn't on Unknown and are arguing of the point of someone that will most likely not be affected by it. Im calling their whole idea stupid, not arguing for Unknowns sake. But you are also just wrong, they didn't clearly state that Unknown should be put in the highest division, the only thing that has been said about it is that they are on the fence about the details. They are on the fence on whether to place the team with if not the most, top 3 most ecl titles, in division 3 or not. This is for a team with objective merits, what is going to happen when a team like Laser that is undoubtedly insane but doesn't have anything to show for it get put in the same situation? The Furyan shitstorm, just what? He was being condescending (which he tends to be every time he talks to people, he should probably work on that) by copy and pasting something that was very obviously addressed, so i made a offhand comment about him not being able to read the rules and getting banned. Im sure he has heard and called people much worse than that and im sure he is a big boy and will be fine. I also have no desire or intention of getting involved in some argument over this shit, especially not before they actually outline what they plan to do with the division system and if they really are going to push the brain numbingly dumb idea that they should encourage teams to stay together by punishing teams that don't. I sent 2 messages i spent 15 minutes each at tops to tell them that the entire concept is stupid because i got annoyed at the message they sent Svamp, not because i wanted to start a shit flinging contest in a thread.

I don't see what's the problem here? What's the point of this public shitstorm? How does SIKA involve in this? You have a good point but I'm sure there is a lot more mature way to discuss about it. The staff clearly said they will do everything that unknown is in The league where they belong. That last shitstorm against furyan is imo way to harsh and that won't help you at all. He's done an excellent job this season and during the summer.

I know but this just dont work it would be better. Maybe Just put these to teams category. Example Team A Clips (?) Team B Clips (?) This way could be easier to search clips and hope you can see how many clips there are before click. And yeah after regular/playoffs someone makes top 5 goals saves plays etc. I think this is better way than write what happened in that ecl right ? This ofc requires most teams put videos more often than now. Hope you guys have now any clue what I mean

Would be great if we have here topic or site where are videos and highlights. Nowadays almost every team streams and get those videos on tape so why we dont have that kinda topic here. Now if you want to see games you have find those on twitch. So would be easier that there would be topic where everyone can post those clips. First there would be regular season highlights and then playoffs. Guess many guys wanna see highlights of semi-final and final over and over again. Maybe you guys need more staff to make this happen i dont know but this would be my wish. As well would be nice if there is awards like best saves etc.

Here are my personal thoughts and wishes on the future of NHLGamer and ECL. It's more like bunch of notes than wall of text, but anyways here it is. ECL Wishlist 1. Get comments back to game reports. I know it's not that big deal but I'd say that our community would like to have it back. 2. Using whole time period of NHL-game, like the other competetive sites do with their leagues and games. Yeah, it might sound too much now but after all it would be best for the community to play this game a lot, and hey, after all there would be only two leagues per year, with two shorter Cups. --> 2x Elite ECL leagues per year (+ divisions) --> 1x Euro Cup, big tournament with every team who wants to play > as much as possible groups, about 6 teams per group which would keep the Cup short. Just like Football and Hockey has their short tournaments before/during/after their real seasons. --> 1x Summer Cup in July-August, snake draft teams etc. 3. Bigger Staff. To make this whole thing really work, NHLGamer needs to have strong and active Staff. I'm not saying there should be over 20 guys deciding what to do or anything but more people, with different tasks and responsibilities would definitely be better than handful of guys. And after this, create new topic or site where is every Staff member, their introductions, what their main tasks are and how to contact them. Community needs to know about our Staff. --> site-admins: big bosses, all-arounders --> moderators: league maintenance, news, articles, interviews --> country captains: this is something new I've had in my mind for some weeks now and the meaning of this would be basically to have certain guys representing their countries team captains. For an example, one finnish, one swedish, one russian and one "european" person, and their only task would be to keep things clear between our captains and Staff. If this sounds stupid, then get bigger group of moderators who have their own responsibilites (certain guys taking care of certain groups/countries). -->team captains: I guess everybody knows what this means. But I just wanna say if someone really wants to be captain of their team, and gets his team to the ECL for example: respect the rules, staff and your opponents. 4. Profile-info in the forum, which people would see when we write here. Just a little subtile add to forum, not much. Example: vSilenttio Advanced Member +148 Team: SIKA PSN ID: vSilenttio Gamertag: Silenttio Twitch: vSilenttio Posts: 58 5. Bring us wild cards! For an example, if there's 30 teams in ECL, 15 per group, lets have wild card spots. Six best teams go straight to the playoffs, 7th-10th teams battle for remaining two playoff-spots. Teams that dont make playoffs (11-15th placed teams in both groups), would battle in elimination round for their next seasons ECL ticket. Five losers from these five pairs get eliminated. Hope here's something what you guys could even consider to do in the future of NHLGamer.

Seen as I was complaining about stuff in the chatbox, I may as well say one thing here. If there's one thing that makes zero sense to me is the ruling pertaining to what should happen should a player drop from a game. So, we're a 6v6 league, why should we even entertain the prospect of playing an entire period with an ai on the ice? If a player drops, the game should be dead (mostly). I will digress that if the game ends if someone drops, then there will always be someone scummy enough to try and abuse it, so it would make sense then to say that the next stoppage would end the game. Still though, isn't it better to try and work through these problems instead of just straight up copping out and defeating the purpose of a 6s league? As it stands the onus to decide whether or not the period should continue is left to the opposing team for some reason. Why is that so? I can't possibly think of a single reason why this more reasonable than letting the team that dropped a player decide, especially since they're (typically) in direct contact with the dude that dropped. I'm sure there are other rules that strike me as odd, but this just straight up perplexes me and as such I would welcome some clarification on the thought process behind it.