ECL ’26: Spring - Ability Bans

[imosi]

To continue the conversation from the old thread...

Now that the season is almost over for everyone, I would like to start a discussion about the upcoming tournaments and the ability bans.

After playing the game more, I have to admit that I’ve started to doubt the “ban them all” approach.
 

Why do I think we need abilities?

I feel that the whole game has developed around the abilities, and I have a feeling that it will turn into a lot of turtle defense vs. turtle defense if all the abilities are banned. It could also force players to use builds that they normally wouldn't want to use.

I propose banning all the Elite abilities. The currently allowed gold and blue abilities are pretty well-balanced. You could also keep the currently allowed gold abilities only if the community prefers that. Another interesting option would be allowing only one (gold or blue) ability per player.

Please share your opinions. Does anyone else have doubts about the “ban them all” approach like I do? 

[saagssy]

Game is bad shit and its glitchy with all bs what can happen is there. so i think we should not change nothing at all in baning or rules or what, i think game is pretty balanced now how balanced it can actualy be.

If you want to change something then do it in next game not this one.  There is no reason to change , because after this next half of year will be new game, so you will change again rules, i think if you pick out rules than stick with them till the next game, adjust something if something comes overpowered but like ban it all on the 2nd season its kinda crazy gamble, are game will be even playable, better or even worse.

Edited yesterday at 12:15 PM by saagssy

[Yoloberg]

Tbh this season was just fine after they fixed the cost of abilities. Well there's many abilities that people use. Like pretty much all Dmen have Elite Rocket and Elite Stick. Forwards usually have elite backhand (cheap) and some sort of forehand shooting. But I've noticed there's bit of variety and that's something I hoped for. Also not everyone uses 183/88 PWF which is nice too. 

Don't really see how banning elite abilities would change much. Maybe the backhand ability is a bit OP but there was very little goals for us this season it was the reason for goal. I even missed two very good backhand goals in the Pro Finals even tho I had it activated. 

TLDR; I would keep it as is. Goalie abilities I don't understand so cant talk about them.

[fisu123]

Keep the abilities as they are now to avoid turtle defense. Maybe ban orange abilities if anything. Goalies i dont know anything other than that sponge looks illegally good.

[pappeen-]

Ban all the elite ones, and keep the bans as they are

(maybe allow Elite Edges, but thats just my opinion)

Edited 20 hours ago by pappeen-

[Edgard_gcn]

Ban all. I play League without abilities gameplay is very better honestly. 

[pakjiz]

54 minuuttia sitten, pappeen- kirjoitti:

Ban all the elite ones, and keep the bans as they are

(maybe allow Elite Edges, but thats just my opinion)

Not sure if I’m for or against banning all the traits, so not gonna comment on that yet.

But as for Elite Edges: doesn’t it trigger the random stumbling animations more in opposing players? If that’s the case then definitely keep it banned (don’t want that added rng). If it’s not the case then I have nothing against it.

[Saviinainen]

4 tuntia sitten, imosi kirjoitti:

To continue the conversation from the old thread...

 

Now that the season is almost over for everyone, I would like to start a discussion about the upcoming tournaments and the ability bans.

After playing the game more, I have to admit that I’ve started to doubt the “ban them all” approach.
 

Why do I think we need abilities?

I feel that the whole game has developed around the abilities, and I have a feeling that it will turn into a lot of turtle defense vs. turtle defense if all the abilities are banned. It could also force players to use builds that they normally wouldn't want to use.

I propose banning all the Elite abilities. The currently allowed gold and blue abilities are pretty well-balanced. You could also keep the currently allowed gold abilities only if the community prefers that. Another interesting option would be allowing only one (gold or blue) ability per player.

Please share your opinions. Does anyone else have doubts about the “ban them all” approach like I do? 

I agree with all of that 100%. We have also tried games without abilities and imo it makes gameplay much more "force hockey/crash the net" than it is now already. As a dman interceptions and sticklifts are enough bad already so personally i dont need more that kind of gameplay... 

Without abilities there is not any kind of onetimer threats or far distance shot threats and that allows people to play that "turtle defence". 

Lets keep same rules/bans like in this last ECL or then keep same bans but only allow gold and/or blue versions of abilities (=ban elite versions). And if we are going to ban elite abilities then ban those elite abilities from goalies also. 

I hope like there will come some kind of public voting poll from sportsgamer side so everyone is having a chance to affect desicion. Its better that way than small group is making that kind of desicion. Let community decide. 

[pappeen-]

1 timme sedan, pakjiz säger:

Not sure if I’m for or against banning all the traits, so not gonna comment on that yet.

But as for Elite Edges: doesn’t it trigger the random stumbling animations more in opposing players? If that’s the case then definitely keep it banned (don’t want that added rng). If it’s not the case then I have nothing against it.

You could be right about the random stumbling animation, it's been a while since i've seen it, so you might be right. If that's the case, it should definitely still be banned.

[pakjiz]

I do want to point out that banning all the traits will probably lead to more turtle defence and more emphasis on counters and rushes.

Less shooting traits -> harder to be a threat from outside the middle in the o-zone -> just plug the middle with five guys if you’re the defending team.

Also, no second wind -> less energy for everyone -> more reloading energy before breaking out and also more trapping -> more slow breakouts, less fast breakouts and less rushes in general -> probably a less entertaining game for the players and the viewers

[l-Furyan-l]

Just because I want there to be a historical record of this comment being included in every thread on the topic at hand:

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All I ask is that, whichever way this goes, there is a definitive, non-reversible decision from League Administration (on bans/no bans) at least a few weeks out from when the first next official tournament is set to begin.

Give us a fair chance to practice for a reasonable amount of time under game-like conditions.

 

[plaaplaa72]

Just ban blue and orange abilities and allow only gold ones. (Also keeping current perk bans) Will give some extra flavour to gameplay but nothing too OP or ridiculous.

If you cant score without abusing blue or orange perks, nor if you cant make a save without them, then you just suck

[imosi]

12 tuntia sitten, l-Furyan-l kirjoitti:

Just because I want there to be a historical record of this comment being included in every thread on the topic at hand:

 

Agree 100%. Whatever the decision is, it would be fair for everyone to have time to adapt if there are going to be major changes not just one or two weeks before the new season. So the sooner the better.

[Zysbe]

I think banning everything will make the gameplay even worse. 

Defending will become even more turtle than it is, just because its almost impossible to score farther than 2 meters away from the net without shooting abilities.

Attacking will become even more forcing than its ever been and i think thats not what we want.

Only available skater abilities that i dont understand is "Tape to tape" and "Send it" why we have autosaucers and acceleration boosts in competitive gaming?

I dont comment about goalie abilities, just because i want to avoid that brainless discussion.

Just sharing my own thoughts👆

Edited 2 hours ago by Zysbe

[Lemonzie]

Many people say that the game will get worse if all abilities are banned but we haven´t try it yet? 🤔

➡️ What about if we create a password for games without abilities, so we can try to play without them? 

If you dont want to ban all abilities then this could also be a great idea:

14 tuntia sitten, plaaplaa72 kirjoitti:

Just ban blue and orange abilities and allow only gold ones. (Also keeping current perk bans) Will give some extra flavour to gameplay but nothing too OP or ridiculous.

If you cant score without abusing blue or orange perks, nor if you cant make a save without them, then you just suck

Sportsgamer should organize a poll about these abilities.

Edited 2 hours ago by Lemonzie

[imosi]

7 minuuttia sitten, Lemonzie kirjoitti:

Many people say that the game will get worse if all abilities are banned but we haven´t try it yet? 🤔

➡️ What about if we create a password for games without abilities, so we can try to play without them? 

If you dont want to ban all abilities then this could also be a great idea:

Sportsgamer should organize a poll about these abilities.

Good idea, but I see a problem with having a single password: Pro and Elite teams probably don’t play against Neo/Core/Lite teams. Of course all the teams who just want to test how it feels to play without abilites could you use a password like ECLTest or something like that. 

[Janikka]

16 minuuttia sitten, Lemonzie kirjoitti:

Many people say that the game will get worse if all abilities are banned but we haven´t try it yet? 🤔

➡️ What about if we create a password for games without abilities, so we can try to play without them? 
 

This is a very good idea. There's apparently ample time before the next tournament, so now would be a good time to try it out even before any announcements, seeing as there should also be plenty of time to return to using abilities if needed.