Player Ability Bans - ECL '25 Season Discussion

[Saviinainen]

1 minuutti sitten, Allupekkaz kirjoitti:

iso respect et sanoit omal nimel tän tänne💪🏻

Maybe everyone just dont dare to say their opinions in public because this scene is kinda toxic nowadays. And if you are not having some kind of status in this scene and you say something different like this scenes cream there is big risk to get kinda offensive behaviour back from this scene

[Baranizer]

It is starting to become a talk without purpose here. Just choose the approach and announce smth in advance before the tournament, that's all. If Poll will help - lets do it. Separate poll is a good thing from one side but on the other hand - its better to have a basic structure for all of SGG as it was mentioned before in terms of growing the community. 

We already opened the era of Bans so now when we know it is possible to exclude smth from the game we start to decide what we should take out. But we forget that its always personal thoughts of different players\individuals. No sense in covering own wishes with some fancy words - it will end up in personal liking anyway. Most of the guys can play the game as it is right now btw, esp top guys.

I personally don't care if there is CQ, 1T or whatever. Goalies are dependable position and rely on the team anyway.

Any ban decision will change the game but top players will stay top players. So we getting down to just figuring out what approach here is reasonable. IMO if you wanna ban smth - it should be everything or nothing (Tipper stays banned), cause it would get down to a lot of crazy talks and there will never be a perfect outcome.

Its funny how we talk about banning trucu but wanna keep stickemup, also forwards wanna keep 1T, CQ but drop stick and truc. 

P.S. Could be fun to cut the number of perks per team, so we don't see 5 trucu or 5 sticks, but its the whole different story. 

15 минут назад, Saviinainen сказал:

Maybe everyone just dont dare to say their opinions in public because this scene is kinda toxic nowadays. And if you are not having some kind of status in this scene and you say something different like this scenes cream there is big risk to get kinda offensive behaviour back from this scene

Offensive behaviour can lead to some ban time alongside big tipper, as we all know 😀

Edited 3 hours ago by Baranizer

[Beniittto]

There is no reason to ban any shooting abilites since the goalies are so buggy that there is the floating pads bug that has nothing to do with abilities and they let in shots through them even without abilities all the time (everyone who plays hut/versus knows how common this is) this isn’t an ability issue, it’s a game issue. Good scoring chances should be rewarded and the shooting abilities are necessary for that.

Trucu ban is obvious, there is no need for a player to be taking 5-10 seconds getting up after a hit as it ruins the flow of the game when teams have to rag the puck waiting for their teammate to get up, you can still do big hits without trucu but recovery time with trucu is too much.

Polls are the best way to decide this (obviously)

[Saviinainen]

19 minuuttia sitten, Beniittto kirjoitti:

There is no reason to ban any shooting abilites since the goalies are so buggy that there is the floating pads bug that has nothing to do with abilities and they let in shots through them even without abilities all the time (everyone who plays hut/versus knows how common this is) this isn’t an ability issue, it’s a game issue. Good scoring chances should be rewarded and the shooting abilities are necessary for that.

Trucu ban is obvious, there is no need for a player to be taking 5-10 seconds getting up after a hit as it ruins the flow of the game when teams have to rag the puck waiting for their teammate to get up, you can still do big hits without trucu but recovery time with trucu is too much.

Polls are the best way to decide this (obviously)

There doesnt need to be any recovery time to get up when you are able to counter that hit with well timed counter hit. If someone is not using it then its their own fault, not trucus or games fault

[meiha]

27 minutes ago, Beniittto said:

There is no reason to ban any shooting abilites since the goalies are so buggy that there is the floating pads bug that has nothing to do with abilities and they let in shots through them even without abilities all the time (everyone who plays hut/versus knows how common this is) this isn’t an ability issue, it’s a game issue. Good scoring chances should be rewarded and the shooting abilities are necessary for that.

Trucu ban is obvious, there is no need for a player to be taking 5-10 seconds getting up after a hit as it ruins the flow of the game when teams have to rag the puck waiting for their teammate to get up, you can still do big hits without trucu but recovery time with trucu is too much.

Polls are the best way to decide this (obviously)

What kind of good scoring chances are being discussed that don't go in without traits? One-timers from a longer distance?

As a lower-level Tapani myself, I experience many good scoring chances where these traits don't even activate, and the puck still goes in, even with bad shooting attributes.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by meiha

[Beniittto]

15 minuuttia sitten, Saviinainen kirjoitti:

There doesnt need to be any recovery time to get up when you are able to counter that hit with well timed counter hit. If someone is not using it then its their own fault, not trucus or games fault

you can also tie up the opponent with gold big tipper in front of the net and yet you still want big tipper banned

Edited 1 hour ago by Beniittto

[Beniittto]

1 tunti sitten, meiha kirjoitti:

What kind of good scoring chances are being discussed that don't go in without traits? One-timers from a longer distance?

As a lower-level Tapani myself, I experience many good scoring chances where these traits don't even activate, and the puck still goes in, even with bad shooting attributes.

 

 

i don't recall any one timer goals without the one tee ability in years and cq gives a shooting boost to almost any shot close to the net which of course would reward you for getting in to a scoring position in the first place, im not saying you cant score without abilities but with abilities you get rewarded more often for getting into good scoring positions and helps negate the crazy saves goalies make when out of position

Edited 20 minutes ago by Beniittto

[Saviinainen]

To me that would be fine to allow all x-factors, lets play the game just how its published  and trucu is not leading unrealistic goals like golden CQ, golden 1T, big tipper etc. There wasnt any public problems about this season bans during the season so its kinda funny like now there is people crying about same things than earlier. Lets just keep the same rules like ongoing ECL

Edited 1 hour ago by Saviinainen

[Vattuyy]

Can we just enjoy when we finally have good 6s gameplay. Big tipper is only must ban ability and its already banned. There is no need to fix something what is already working. 

[sopulii04]

A little off topic but... It's kind of sad how in the current gameplay it doesn't make sense to sacrifice something like speed for shooting stats. If it was like 5 added points to shooting by losing 1 point in speed I think we would start seeing a lot more variation in builds being used. 

Like a lot of people have said, it's tough to score without shooting abilities... But that is only the case when people are running builds with like 70 shooting stats. In my experience you don't really need shooting abilities if you have 85+ in shooting categories - especially when skill-based one-timers activate! 

Sadly this scene is so boring that if abilities do get banned, I think most people will start using PMD builds on wingers etc. and won't even give a try to a sniper build with like 90 shooting. 

[Jiihooo86]

Im looking this from a goalie perspective. I totally agree with beniitto about rewarding player from getting to good scoring position , but that also should apply goalies when they position them correctly 🤷 i want to ask also this " elite tournament with no xfactors tournament " , did you guys actually try applying the points to shooting and accuracy or hitting and strength so that they were close to 90 or above ? Because if the points really doesnt matter when shooting from the b-line or wristing from slot does nothing , then i agree not to ban all traits. 

U guys say that its almost impossible to score without traits ? So what was your stats when you guys played ?

[Henz86]

7 minuuttia sitten, Jiihooo86 kirjoitti:

Im looking this from a goalie perspective. I totally agree with beniitto about rewarding player from getting to good scoring position , but that also should apply goalies when they position them correctly 🤷 i want to ask also this " elite tournament with no xfactors tournament " , did you guys actually try applying the points to shooting and accuracy or hitting and strength so that they were close to 90 or above ? Because if the points really doesnt matter when shooting from the b-line or wristing from slot does nothing , then i agree not to ban all traits. 

U guys say that its almost impossible to score without traits ? So what was your stats when you guys played ?

Exuse me who said scoring without traits is impossible??? LOL!

[sopulii04]

5 minuuttia sitten, Jiihooo86 kirjoitti:

Im looking this from a goalie perspective. I totally agree with beniitto about rewarding player from getting to good scoring position , but that also should apply goalies when they position them correctly 🤷 i want to ask also this " elite tournament with no xfactors tournament " , did you guys actually try applying the points to shooting and accuracy or hitting and strength so that they were close to 90 or above ? Because if the points really doesnt matter when shooting from the b-line or wristing from slot does nothing , then i agree not to ban all traits. 

U guys say that its almost impossible to score without traits ? So what was your stats when you guys played ?

This. They definitely didn't put 90 in shooting. But the issue is kinda the fact that the top teams all play the same way and rely on having 94/95 speed on everyone 😅

Can't really blame them though, in the current meta I would never trade my 40 point speed attributes for 10-30 point shooting attributes. The gap between the values is F'd up...

1 minuutti sitten, Henz86 kirjoitti:

Exuse me who said scoring without traits is impossible??? LOL!

Most Elite players with their 75 shooting stats 😅

[Jiihooo86]

4 minuuttia sitten, Henz86 kirjoitti:

Exuse me who said scoring without traits is impossible??? LOL!

Well nikkedangles said : Yes we had no abilities tournament with elite teams and the games were boring and almost impossible to score even against weaker teams which is not good

[Henz86]

14 minuuttia sitten, sopulii04 kirjoitti:

This. They definitely didn't put 90 in shooting. But the issue is kinda the fact that the top teams all play the same way and rely on having 94/95 speed on everyone 😅

Can't really blame them though, in the current meta I would never trade my 40 point speed attributes for 10-30 point shooting attributes. The gap between the values is F'd up...

Most Elite players with their 75 shooting stats 😅

So sad for them they dont have 100% shooting with theyre 75 stats and 95 speed .. 😂

I would to hear them backing up that they should score on every opportunity, just like IRL players in NHL... Oh wait.. they dont score on every shot??

10 minuuttia sitten, Jiihooo86 kirjoitti:

Well nikkedangles said : Yes we had no abilities tournament with elite teams and the games were boring and almost impossible to score even against weaker teams which is not good

If the scoring is only based on CQ & 1T, thats sad.. playing without traits makes the game vary more and each goal means more!

It shouldn't be about the Elite guys not been able to score more clitch goals, no traits adds more variation, possibility for goalies to have more saves and players to appreciate each goal more!

Edited 10 minutes ago by Henz86
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