Player Ability Bans - ECL '25 Season Discussion

[Pawetzki]

11 minuuttia sitten, Sokkelo__ kirjoitti:

Yea I agree that it is possible to score onetee without the perk, it just doesn’t happen very often. But you said that pass doesn’t affect that, it is incorrect, it has an big effect. And I’ve also seen many onetees with perfect positionings miss the net or fumble some other way.

With all that being said, I think the biggest thing is that onetee does no longer pose any threat, so it does not have to be defended (outside the slot) almost at all. This means that teams can collapse in front of the net. When there is a significant onetee threat a bit further out from the slot as well, teams need to move more on defence which opens more opportunities around the offensive zone, which makes the game more enajoyable to play and watch.

I of course respect you opinion about weather or not perks should be in the game but the ”with perks goalies have no chance to carry their team” is simply not true. There are many goalies who can save most of the onetees outside the slot with perks and that is a fact, not opinion.

The last sentence in your text can be said like you did, or it can be said like this also ”people want perks be gone from the game to keep defending and goaltending easy and no need to put effort on…” etc.

If you ask me, I don’t want perks to be in the game so the scoring would be easier, I want scoring to be diverse, goals with different plays, close and further from the net, and so on. Perks, they make it possible. I think only silver abilities could be the best option which most people could get what they want😊

Ofc you will not score not so often if goalie is good enough to read onetees so why punish us for getting better for them. And yea sometimes my typing can sound bit attacking or something cuz i like to type straight how things are but in good spirit😂

[WeDuX_]

30 minuuttia sitten, pappeen- kirjoitti:

bad rage bait

but yea i guess so

Im just bad. Not complaining tho

[pappeen-]

3 minuter sedan, WeDuX_ säger:

Im just bad. Not complaining tho

Am i complaining? I don't care if its with or without abilities or even silver ones. No need to be toxic tho, or am i wrong?

[antoniomannen004]

6 minuter sedan, WeDuX_ säger:

Im just bad. Not complaining tho

We are not complaining either you are the ones not happy with the rules atm!

You didnt see us out with pitchforks saying that all abilites must be banned!

Now they got banned i have enjoyed gameplay more and find that more fun

[WeDuX_]

True, I am complaining about the change bc the game has been really good and fair. But you or someone complained and it got changed so no i have to complain.

[Jnmxxx]

1 minuutti sitten, WeDuX_ kirjoitti:

True, I am complaining about the change bc the game has been really good and fair. But you or someone complained and it got changed so no i have to complain.

How its unfair now?

[antoniomannen004]

3 minuter sedan, WeDuX_ säger:

True, I am complaining about the change bc the game has been really good and fair. But you or someone complained and it got changed so no i have to complain.

Change that "but you or someone complained" 

to

"someone complained"

I have not complained that i want it banned, but i am happy it became that way

[Jiihooo86]

Couple of things

1 tunti sitten, Sokkelo__ kirjoitti:

With all that being said, I think the biggest thing is that onetee does no longer pose any threat, so it does not have to be defended (outside the slot) almost at all.

Disagree , we have made lots of goals with one tee without perks from the blue line , and yes they werent tip ins or bouncers. Direct one tee in to the net. Many factors affect there i think , how you create that one tee chance , is it a low or high shot , is opponent misplaced , how accurate is your shot , how you make opponent goalie to move... That is the whole point in this. You have to earn that one tee goal by making the play fast , not just shooting shooting shooting from those angles where you cant make powerfull onet's ever , that golden onet allows. Also when people complain about fumbling the one tees , maybe try not to hold the Right stick up but actually time it like it supposed to be done correctly. Skill based timing u know.

[WeDuX_]

17 minuuttia sitten, Jnmxxx kirjoitti:

How its unfair now?

Did i say it is so unfair? But in my opinion it is not so fair anymore because defending so much easier right now and makes it more boring to play. In my opinion and not wanting to be toxic just shooting same kind of dumb things and rage baits like some guys here

Edited 13 hours ago by WeDuX_

[WeDuX_]

17 minuuttia sitten, antoniomannen004 kirjoitti:

Change that "but you or someone complained" 

to

"someone complained"

I have not complained that i want it banned, but i am happy it became that way

mb. Lets say some guys complained

[Sokkelo__]

10 minuuttia sitten, Jiihooo86 kirjoitti:

Couple of things

Disagree , we have made lots of goals with one tee without perks from the blue line , and yes they werent tip ins or bouncers. Direct one tee in to the net. Many factors affect there i think , how you create that one tee chance , is it a low or high shot , is opponent misplaced , how accurate is your shot , how you make opponent goalie to move... That is the whole point in this. You have to earn that one tee goal by making the play fast , not just shooting shooting shooting from those angles where you cant make powerfull onet's ever , that golden onet allows. Also when people complain about fumbling the one tees , maybe try not to hold the Right stick up but actually time it like it supposed to be done correctly. Skill based timing u know.

Skill based one tees are whole another thing, yes those go in. Those don’t have anything to do with the ability bans tho😅 And at the moment, those timed ones are not showing in most of the games so you don’t know which player has the timed one tee option. And like I said, maybe the best options is to keep the golden traits banned and allow the silvers, so the golden trait animations would not be in the game🤔

[Jnmxxx]

6 minuuttia sitten, WeDuX_ kirjoitti:

Did i say it is so unfair?

It sure did sound like that.

 

7 minuuttia sitten, WeDuX_ kirjoitti:

Did i say it is so unfair? But in my opinion it is not so fair anymore

And right after you did say it again.

 

I just dont get it. How its so unfair if its the same for everybody?

Personally i dont even care x-factors or not. Hell, i dont even mind if the tipper is there.

But to make it sound like its somewhat unfair now is just something different…

[Vattuyy]

1 minuutti sitten, Jnmxxx kirjoitti:

It sure did sound like that.

 

And right after you did say it again.

 

I just dont get it. How its so unfair if its the same for everybody?

Personally i dont even care x-factors or not. Hell, i dont even mind if the tipper is there.

But to make it sound like its somewhat unfair now is just something different…

Gameplay without abilitys allows teams to play passive defence and just counter attack. Its so hard to score without abilities so we see more goals from forces and when u just throw puck to the net and hope. Yes its same for everyone but it helps worse teams to have better chance to win against better teams. So imo its more RNG and make gameplay unfair for better teams.

[pappeen-]

42 minuter sedan, WeDuX_ säger:

In my opinion and not wanting to be toxic just shooting same kind of dumb things and rage baits like some guys here

You literally just did to me earlier? 

[Fin_black485]

I think removing X-Factors was a good idea. I personally enjoy playing without them [X-Factors] more than with them. I hope ECL will be played without them too🤝

[Jiihooo86]

3 tuntia sitten, Sokkelo__ kirjoitti:

Skill based one tees are whole another thing, yes those go in. Those don’t have anything to do with the ability bans tho

If you read my answer i said we have made many goals without golden one tee from the blue line without perks... That surely got something to do with perks. Skilled one timer works even if there is no visual but u just need to try it. Its your responsibility to learn it. And also you can use timing without skill based timing 🤷

3 tuntia sitten, Sokkelo__ kirjoitti:

And like I said, maybe the best options is to keep the golden traits banned and allow the silvers, so the golden trait animations would not be in the game

Yeah maybe , but still i like much more playing without perks just because it makes much more important that you position yourself correctly and be a threat on ice without a puck. Somebody said that you can play passive defence , yes you can play but it doesnt take away the fact that you have to be creative to make plays and scoring opportunities. My vote still goes to ban them all , its much more fun to play like this

[WeDuX_]

27 minuuttia sitten, Jiihooo86 kirjoitti:

And also you can use timing without skill based timing 🤷

Mitäs tää meinaa?

[Jiihooo86]

1 minuutti sitten, WeDuX_ kirjoitti:

Mitäs tää meinaa?

Siis että sen ajoittamisen voi tehdä vaik ei ois sitä skilled paikkaa... Eli ihan vaan niin että ajoittaa sen tatin ylös päin laiton eikä pidä back skatea ja tattia ylhäällä koko ajan ku odottaa sitä syöttöä 

[J0HTAJA]

Stop crying And just play +1

[Ollizhki]

5 tuntia sitten, Fin_black485 kirjoitti:

I think removing X-Factors was a good idea. I personally enjoy playing without them [X-Factors] more than with them. I hope ECL will be played without them too🤝

Agreed. 

Most fun i've had in years when it comes to 6v6 gameplay. As a goalie and as a skater. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Ollizhki

[saaggssy]

goalie is realy bad without abilities, its realy hard to catch this one timers. i was thinking abilities dont change goalies, but now i think its helps a lot to  goalies, yeah skaters abilities is overpowered but goalie without abilities is just redicilously worse. like game is designed that one timers timed right gonna be powerfull, so its makes us goalies let in easy onetimers just because we dont get this extra boost from no timer, and if we dont use xray we get blocked vision by players in front realy easy. game without abilities is slower, is more bs happening because its was not made to play like that, about goalies you can realy tell they was build to be balanced from EA view when they forced to use this abilities, so if you dont use it, you not complete goalie ready to game and he is making lot of bs. Also now you dont build goalie like standup or hyb to get this extra boost to help you save games, you just us one build doesnt matter, gonna happen this to skaters also, because abilities was making your builds individual like you need to take that give there points to get this.

Edited 7 hours ago by saaggssy

[Pawetzki]

3 minuuttia sitten, saaggssy kirjoitti:

goalie is realy bad without abilities, its realy hard to catch this one timers. i was thinking abilities dont change goalies, but now i think its helps a lot to  goalies, yeah skaters abilities is overpowered but goalie without abilities is just redicilously worse. like game is designed that one timers timed right gonna be powerfull, so its makes us goalies let in easy onetimers just because we dont get this extra boost from no timer, and if we dont use xray we get blocked vision by players in front realy easy. game without abilities is slower, is more bs happening because its was not made to play like that, about goalies you can realy tell they was build to be balanced from EA view when they forced to use this abilities, so if you dont use it, you not complete and make lot of bs.

Just little move when you are screened fixes your problem

[tkantola]

Without X-factors thats feels like a crap. 
If you want ban something to ECL, ban golden abilities and keep silver open. 
 

1/10 1T goes in now -> you can just play passive def. Idk and don't care about it but can't understand who feel that's " fair " or "good" gameplay now. Only nice part of the gameplay is the hitting so....
 

 

[bottiHarden]

buff truculence

[Jiihooo86]

This is good example that we are not gonna have balanced game if EA is going to stay with perks... There is allways people that like to play with perks , like to play eithout perks or something between. Like i have said millions of time throughout years , we need to bring back the old system with freedom to spend point anywhere we like. And that also needs to affect the gameplay , player abilities , chance to score , etc.

Im so fed up with this " what we should do , how about we do this , what about this and that and those"... We shouldnt be the ones to try to change things , thats EA's job. Back in the days we had the point system to build players , yes there were problems also but at least we had freedom to make a player that we wanted. I dont miss the opportunity to BUY +3 with real money , but that was then.

NO PREMADE BUILDS , NO LIMITING POINTS , NO XFACTORS , NO BUFFS.

Edited 6 hours ago by Jiihooo86