[ECL Pro Finals Broadcast - April 25, 20:45 CEST]

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[Several rule infractions by Inter Iceland]

1 minute ago, Volano said:

There's only 1 thing that's wrong here. Since Inter Iceland played so much of the season the usual ruling is not to remove all the result. Yes, remove them from playing anymore. But all the remaining games should be ruled WO. 

They had only played 66% of the entire season. Handing out free wins to a third of the group that got lucky with the scheduling simply isn't the right thing to do. While we understand that it might be upsetting for some to have played all those games for nothing, making sure that everything is fair and that we're not skewing the overall results takes priority.

[ECL 5 - Elite Finals]

On 12/6/2017 at 6:07 PM, SadaPoika said:

LA for playoff MVP!

You're pathetic.

[SJK eSports vs. Written in the Stars - LA Decision]

23 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

Maybe LA needs atleast one member who plays in top elite team. Maybe then I dont have to read about "Sky didnt wanted to play without top 6 players, we have 8 player roster limit" Xddd Who is playing tight semifinal games with y roster. If you want to win something you have to have 6 good/top players. 8 roster limit is good when we are talking about regular season. 

I'm sorry, but you're just being silly. Teams are more than welcome to use their "top 6" lineups for every single game. That said, if teams can't play the games on time, their captains need to reconsider their approach and look for more players.

Here's the thing that's wrong with your statement - if you want to win something, you have to have AT LEAST 6 good/top players.

[ECL 5 - Playoffs, Round 2 [Elite & Pro]]

2 minutes ago, Lauri said:

That if something happens such as an accident or traumatic experience etc something you cant plan beforehand im quite sure LA will give more time

Of course. As I said earlier, we try our hardest to help teams out. That said, it's within reason - we will do it, BUT we also need to keep things fair for everyone and avoid giving anyone preferential treatment. 

We will obviously support anyone If something unexpected happens and if because of it they won't have enough players to complete the games. It's understandable. The thing is - we don't feel that "not being able to ice the best lineup" falls into this category.  

[ECL 5 - Playoffs, Round 2 [Elite & Pro]]

1 hour ago, FlyerKungen said:

But still, it's bullshit. ''Yeee leggo and let's play good regular season so after that we can gain WO losses at first round of PlayOffs.'' Thing what should been never happen. And in my mind, if that happen, It only tells about stupid rules. Staff can always keep crying about how you can have so many backups in roster, bc we got that cute 8 players minimum rule. Fuck that. There is teams who wanna play with one lineup to get best possible result. Respect that first!!! And I don't mean scheduling should be some kinda kinder garden to teams but you got the point I hope.

Maybe staff can think what they can do better with rules and scheduling in future. That 'wannabe strict' what I have seen so far is kinda hilarious sometimes.

I have experience how LA guys can be disrespectful against team Captains so I have full rights here to say directly what I think. And no... I don't need any staff member to answer this. I have other things to do. I just wanted to say. I respect all work you do, but theres a things what I can't really understand. Maybe someday.

Sry & thx, remember to enjoy this awesome PlayOff time! 

We understand that everyone wants to play with their best lineup. Tho it's not always possible and you have to work around it. The deadlines for each round are there for a reason -  everyone has to follow the same set of rules and the same deadlines. There's no preferential treatment.

OK, lets say we indefinitely extend the current round of the playoffs because of a single matchup where both teams couldn't ice their best lineups. Now what? Everyone's forced to wait? What will we do when another team approaches us regarding the same issue? What happens when in the following rounds teams actually can't play their games because of the previous delays (holidays are right around the corner)? What happens when we are forced to push back/cancel the next ECL/Summer Cup? 

We're open to all suggestions and will always try our hardest to help teams to overcome any potential issues.

There are valid reasons for not being able to finish the series and if such cases arise we can possibly try to squeeze in an extension. That said, demanding an extension simply because one of your main players decides to go on a vacation and then the team doesn't want to play the series even though they have enough capable players is just ridiculous.

Please respect other members of this community and their time.

[ECL 5 - All you need to know!]

7 minutes ago, juha96 said:

I Ok. Results will show the sense of this decision.

There was no "decision". We're following rules and previously defined procedures.

[ECL 5 - All you need to know!]

3 hours ago, juha96 said:

What a joke if Sypperstaars is going to Pro as a franchise of Rynnäkköviikset. The rules say that 2 GM:s have to continue new franchise to get their spot and Sypperstaars have only 1 Rynnäkköviikset GM and only 1 other Rynnäkklviikset player. At least 2 other teams have more Rynnäkköviikset players than Sypperstaars.

That is unbelieveable try to circumvent the rules.

That's inaccurate.

 

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The staff will look at each individual case but, as a rule of thumb, the captain is considered the owner of the team.

If a team has disagreements where the captain has lost the faith of his teammates, he will have to explain this case to the staff.

If both assistant captains and at least 3 other members, who played for the team the season before, apply ownership of the team, they will have a strong case to claim the team with all of it's history and current divisional spot - aside of the team name, which remains the captain's property (unless agreed otherwise). 

If a team is completely dismantled so the requirement described above cannot be fulfilled (e.g. the Captain and both Assistant Captains each decide to leave for different teams), nobody will be able to claim ownership. In that case, the team will be removed from ECL Divisions.

 

 

 

As per rules, the default owner of the team is its captain. In this case - FIN_Potilas. During the off-season nobody challenged that and as such he retained the ownership and full control over the said team. A captain doesn't need full support from his assistants in order to make decisions regarding his team (e.g. name change). Rynnäkköviikset > Sypperstaars is considered to be a name change and as such the team kept its spot in the Pro division.

[ECL 4 - Playoff pairs (Round 1), summary of the regular season]

1 minute ago, Egyptologen said:

It has nothing to do with the fact that you as a LA should stand for LA decisions and not blame your fellow LA-colleagues. You can still motivate decisions without excusing yourself. I know, cause I too have been tgma. You can ask @iSvamp if I stood by the rules and decisions or not.

So if I understand you correctly...you had no answer and no arguments to my post, except trying to undermine my credibility by bringing up last playoffs (where you are dead wrong...but I won't baited into a lengthy discussion about that, except I told LA weeks before the situation and got the go ahead which was then retracted) and also declaring I have done nothing for the community?

I see Kenus quality control when bringing in new LAs hade taken a dive lately

I would join...but only if some of you leave. 

I'm not blaming anyone. Am I now not allowed to share my own point of view as someone who has played goalie? People were asking for more insight on the whole ruling. I provided it. I'm more than standing by it.

BTW, I'm still yet to hear a proper explanation for the circus stream Synergy orchestrated during those playoffs. Anyway, it's past. Plenty of people saw the "Synergy" way of handling things. It is what it is.

If it's me who's preventing you from joining - I will quit this very moment. I already considered stepping down few weeks earlier after receiving plenty of shit and toxicity from this community. It sure gave me plenty of reasons to reconsider my further involvement in this project (doesn't really make much sense to devote my free time developing things for these kind of people). I moved past it and continued contributing, but if this is the way you see things - I'm fine with leaving.

[ECL 4 - Playoff pairs (Round 1), summary of the regular season]

1 minute ago, Lauri said:

Bit confused, are this abusing the freeze or you mean in general? Because this judgement will restrict goalies capability to keep his net clear, as there is nothing that restricts skaters similiar way this is very unfair towards goalies. And futhermore saying that if we are not pleased of the judgement we shouldnt voice are opinions but just accept it, thats not acceptable tbh

In general. What's preventing me from sitting in the butterfly and screaming "FREEZE" every single time someone bumps into me?

There are lot of things that are far from fair in this franchise. At the end of the day we can only enforce things up to a certain point. Also we're not preventing goalies from playing aggressively. Everyone's more than welcome to challenge the puck carrier, just understand that some aspects of the gameplay are just "EA Sports".

In addition, I've never said that people shouldn't voice their opinions. We appreciate your input, it's welcome. Tho as I mentioned - you do need to look at the bigger picture and see that not everything is black and white. We can't please everyone.

[ECL 4 - Playoff pairs (Round 1), summary of the regular season]

Just now, Egyptologen said:

You have got to be f-ing kidding right?

How can you say you wont stand for the decision that LA made. Saying it was a majority and you are not part of the blame. Spineless imo. 

STOP writing shit like "there was contradicting opinions" etc. We are not children, we do not need to know that decisions are not always black or white and we really really don't care if you are 5-0 or 3-2 in the decision making. 

Sorry but its pathetic to excuse yourself...and even worse to blame your fellow LA-mates.

You know what's pathetic? You screaming from the top of your lungs about how shit everything is without providing any actual contribution to this community. That wonderful circus stream you decided to do during the previous playoffs sadly doesn't count. Creating that circus truly was spineless.

 

People were asking for an explanation, I gave it to them. Whilst you may be able to see everything clearly via your crystal ball, some people aren't aware of the way things work. This ruling could've easily gone either way. Period.

Another thing some of you are overlooking - the potential way for goalies to exploit and abuse the game mechanics in similar situations.

As always - I'm pretty sure there's plenty of space for more staff. Welcome to join.

[ECL 4 - Playoff pairs (Round 1), summary of the regular season]

1 hour ago, Lauri said:

So goalies need to avoid certain things because its more likely to get a freeze? Are you serious? 

That was the decision by the majority of the LA. Again, as I previously noted, there were contradicting opinions on the incident. I personally thought that the goal wasn't valid and should be called off.

At the end of the day it's not a black and white situation - it could've easily gone either way. That's something people just have to accept.

[ECL 4 - Playoff pairs (Round 1), summary of the regular season]

21 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

So its ok if NL scored against us when ur goalie was frozen ? Wtf didnt even mentioned that in this article. Why should I report these cases where is action against rules if u LA obviously dont care... 

I'm sorry if you didn't get a clear message of the ruling. The LA had contradicting opinions on the incident, but the majority deemed the goal to be valid as the goalie made an aggressive play in order to counter the partial breakaway.

We do care, it's just that not every minor incident (that turns out to be within the current rule book) warrants creating a news article.

[ECL 4 - Playoff pairs (Round 1), summary of the regular season]

11 minutes ago, Nahkatoteemi said:

Best of seven? 

10 minutes ago, Hennisch said:

Playoffs are best of Seven I assume, or? Cause I can't see anywhere the mode mentioned. 

Yes, as in the previous seasons, every match-up is best of seven.

[Season 4 - Violation of rules: Transfer of Kefleri (RTL -> SSG)]

10 minutes ago, selänne8 said:

Why you try to blame me all the time. I dont have any idea about something kefleris unborn child? How it includes to this or hc checkmate? And if you wanna talk more about last season ok: We tried book matches against you like 2 weeks(i wasnt A or C in last season remember also that). You had like one good day when you can play in that timeline. We accept that and we were ready to play with mixed roster. Our games was 21:00 if i remember right. We got message 30min before games that your C cant play. Ok i understand that bad luck or something. You said youre not going to play, even you had 8-9 players online? Very difficult get someone to backup. So dont blame us, example we had games against northern stars. I noticed 45min before the games that my Fifa cd is stuck in ps4. What we did? We didnt cancelled games, i called to my friend, who hadnt any games played can he play? And yes we lost both games but atleast we try to play. And yes i did mistake because i didnt message to all your captains, sorry for that. 

And why i cancelled that first schedule? Im sorry about that too, but it was good day for ak47 and it was our default day, so i think its priority one. And i dont have nothing than bigger to do with hanssonni, i just only asked from him that did he accept keflers transfer. So stop blaming me, youre whole team are trying to make this looking that im prick, but thats ok i dont care. This whole discussion resemble more like nursery. If you have something against me, fine. But please can we now stop this bullshit talking. And one more thing, dont lie im available every day almost every time. I got ps messages to my phone and nhlgamer messages too. And we have also two more captains if i dont answer in same second.

 

yes i agree

I already explained my reasoning. The insults I mentioned are directly connected to this case as they were the main reason Kefleri left RTL. FYI LA didn't include this information out of the common courtesy, but at this point I don't care. To add further insult after the way RTL treated Kefleri, Hanssonni declined the initial "transfer confirmation". He only accepted it after being informed that further bullying and abuse of his powers could be interpreted as breach of the "Fair Play" section of the rule book. Classy.

As for the previous season - the default game date for the games between Silver Sword Griffins and HC Checkmate was December 14th - the last day of the regular season. Attempts to play games in-advance are admirable, but not always possible due to the ongoing schedule. The start time has no importance in this. The fact is, after SSG was not able to play on the default game date, you and your team took advantage of it and decided to take a break from the game in order to secure two WO wins. The staff even extended the regular season, only for you to continue on with your charade. Also the claim of "not going to play, even you had 8-9 players online" is false. Few hours before the planned games they lost their center and as a result couldn't get the required 6 players. Simply put, there was no chance of playing the games(last time I checked you can't start ECL games in a 5v6 format). Again - you avoided SSG for the remaining part of the season just so you could get 2 WOs. Fact.

I'm not trying anything. I'm just tired of this bullshit(excuse my French). Also I wasn't talking about your personal availability, it's about how HC Checkmate has very limited availability.

 

Making sacrifices for this... Eh, not even worth wasting more breath. I've already lost all the motivation and interest I had in helping this community grow.

[Season 4 - Violation of rules: Transfer of Kefleri (RTL -> SSG)]

 

5 hours ago, selänne8 said:

I love you too mate <3 Dont quit from stuff if you did only one mistake(again). And whats the point why you blame me? What i have done to you? And very respectful behavior from staff member to blame someone without reason.

Again - I've seen the "nice" side of this community. Everyone shit talking, insulting girlfriends and threatening to rape ones unborn child. I've reached a point where I genuinely don't think it's worth my personal time to help improving the community for people like you. It's just not worth it, especially seeing how my fellow teammates get ridiculed every single time as well(even if at times they aren't the only ones at fault).

Like last season - SSGs C got his console banned few hours before the scheduled games. They didn't get replacement in time. What happens next? The C buys a new console the very next day, they are basically ready to play the games at any time. What about the other teams? Oh, they have decided to take a break from the game(cue Entti's comment where he shows how "interested" you were into playing those games). And then I read in the chatbox insulting comments about SSG how they can't finish the season. And then the FR and SYN fiasco. I joined them and took a role in staff, in an attempt to help improve this community. Now I've come to realization - why bother? I personally don't enjoy getting shit on and dealing with people who's main purpose is to fuck with others.

Yes, we made a mistake. I'm not arguing about it. Nor am I against the current punishment(even tho point deductions would be a more sensible approach since no serious sport just "replays" their events). But you also made a bunch of mistakes by contacting the wrong people. You simply could've refused to play. Also, lets be real, don't try to hide how you orchestrated this little play together with your friend Hanssonni.

Sorry, but I do have a very good reason for being upset at you after what you've done this and the previous season. Plus, scheduling games with you - we made the sacrifices and adapted. You're not available 80% of the time, can't make the default dates, won't play two opponents during the same day. Oh, and the cherry on top - when I come back to you after talking with my teammates and agree to play the games during one of the few days you previously purposed and noted as being free - you say that it's not gonna happen. Wonderful.

Yes, I am pissed. Especially after hearing how someone threatened to rape Kefleri's unborn child. Sorry, but I don't take those things lightly.

1 hour ago, selänne8 said:

Haha nice try man, pelimies80 contact me before the games. So i answered back to him with whatsapp. And i sent messages to oxtree before the games (your captain!!!) and what? He didnt answer anything

What message? The one with "Everything OK?"? Because that's the only message I received from you on the game day. Do I need to have a crystal ball to understand what you're meaning with that? Also, as you probably noticed, I wasn't playing that evening. Hell, my PS4 wasn't even turned on.

What you should've done is contact the other two captains(especially since they both WERE playing, one of them being the actual captain of the team). It's common sense - if you have something urgent to discuss and you can't reach someone - message the other captains. But I guess that's too complicated for some people. As they say - common sense isn't that common.

[Season 4 - Violation of rules: Transfer of Kefleri (RTL -> SSG)]

1 hour ago, Billy44205 said:

@OxtreeLAT Ewww.... Dude, you're part of League administration. You gotta be above these things, even when it concerns your team. Just have one of your clubmates comment on it in your place or something.

I still have a role in SSG captaincy. If I see bullshit, I'm gonna call it out.

BiggestEight(@selänne8) has been one of the slimiest people around here(as proven in the previous posts).

As far as my current role in staff - at this time I'm reconsidering my further involvement into the development and administration of the tournament.  

[Season 4 - Violation of rules: Transfer of Kefleri (RTL -> SSG)]

I never would've thought that a team could be so desperate to get another ass whooping. Two blowout loses for HC Checkmate... Guess they are different. Well played BiggestEight and Hanssonni. You got another chance! 

Same exact slimy way that HC Checkmate used to get WO wins in the last season after purposely avoiding the other team and taking a break from the game. Truly fits your name. 

 

As for Kefleri - I'm glad that he joined our team and we would do it again if we had to. Being abused by his Refuse To Lose teammates and captain, spouting disgusting insults about his girlfriend and unborn child - that's unacceptable. Shame on you Hanssonni, shame on you Refuse To Lose.

Shame, shame, shame. 

 

As for the game suspensions - when you contacted us, they were issued for the games against the next default opponent. As such, we acknowledged that and iced a suboptimal lineup for those games. If you plan to enforce them in the games against Nemesis, effectively punishing the two players for no reason, we'll appeal for a replay of our games against CAT. After all you seemingly have already set the ridiculous precedent for replaying games.

 

- Ox, assistant captain of Silver Sword Griffins

[Staff Rulings and ECL - Season 3 Playoff Pairs - Round 2]

7 hours ago, MonkeyHead_AF said:

I never understood why SSG made such a big "noise" after that glitch issue earlier in games against FR. Rules were what they were and it didn't even happen in playoffs.

That glitch directly benefited Finnish Roosters, allowing them to score the GWG. The response? A recommendation from the staff to disallow the goal. The result? The goal stayed valid and turned out to be the GWG. I'm sorry, but how exactly is it fair when a team gets punished due to an oversight from the staff? Did you just expect them to sit there and take the punishment even though they had done nothing wrong? Also whenever it's a regular season or playoff game is irrelevant. All games should receive the same amount of attention and it definitely shouldn't affect the final ruling from the staff. 

8 hours ago, MonkeyHead_AF said:

However, in this second issue would be difficult to decide what to do. Difficult case. I would still have waited for some other kind of solution. I'm only wondering how's it possible for both clubs to not get 6 on ice in the given time if there's no maximum club size. Can't be so that only best 6 players of team are playing.

It's been already said multiple times, but I'll repeat it again - throughout those two weeks Synergy pretty much wasn't able to play any games. If you looked at their club's recent games on Monday - they hadn't played a single EASHL game for 12 days. Hard to schedule something against a team that simply isn't there. It's mind-boggling that the more active team that also had held the lead of the series throughout the first 5 games is the one who gets WO loses(especially when there's a rule that stipulates the more active team getting WOs). It wasn't because of SSG that the games were pushed back to the very last day... Again, staff decides to schedule first round right in-between the holidays and now because another team isn't available for most of it, SSG gets fucked over. Amazing.

Hell, at the very beginning of the first round Synergy basically came out flying with ultimatums that they simply wouldn't play any games till January 2nd. What?! When you look at it, SSG was very understanding, trying to make things happen (SSGs GM - "Let us know if you manage to gather 6 in any of the upcoming days... we'll stay on standby"). STANDBY. Yes, standby. It was that bad. SSG ends up not being able to play on two occasions due to some of their players having work(mind you, the scheduling of one of those days was very much a "last-minute" thing). Synergy? They weren't there for the majority of the days and now they advance. The team who tried to make things work and adapt to the other side, giving in and making compromises, got the short end of the stick.

With this ruling the staff has set a very ugly precedent and from what I've heard, if by some miracle SSG decides to join next season, there will be significantly less sportsmanship and adapting to opponent's needs and schedule. After all with this latest case we've all seen how a team throwing tantrums and ultimatums gets their way. Props to Synergy for figuring out the way to abuse the system and get further ahead. Guess some teams had too much class, integrity and didn't have the guts to go straight for the jugular. Tho that's about to change.

2 hours ago, Billy44205 said:

Not to be a dick, but I could see giving SYN some kind of punishment for this debacle as well, since both teams are more or less equally to blame and yet ony SSG is suffering conséquences right now. Not to mention, the conséquences are extra-huge since it's the difference between division 1 and division 2 for next ECL season. Anyway, how about something like giving WO losses to begin the next round for SYN? Not necessarily this time around, but next tournaments, can we add a rule for that?

Note to staff: Guys... Don't Schedule games during Xmas holidays. And don't extend deadlines. (Also overhaul the power structure like I said here..)

Not surprising. It's "we do believe both teams have made mistakes in this series", yet the more popular Swedish team gets their way and the underdog is punished for all the mistakes. Not the first time and definitely won't be the last. What was the saying? It pays to have friends in high places...

[Staff Rulings and ECL - Season 3 Playoff Pairs - Round 2]

Another instance that shows this tournament is very much about personal relations and being buddies with certain people. At this point it very much looks like everything revolves around Finns and Swedes, anyone else is here just so this whole farce could be called "European" Championship League. Tho I truly hope I'm wrong on that.

An underdog who had the lead of the series gets the short end of the stick while a very popular team advances with WO wins. An underdog who was available for the majority of the allocated days for the first round. Popularity contest... Especially when you look at Synergy's "show" yesterday to stream themselves waiting for SSG in challenge room. Pathetic.

That's two incidents in a row where SSG ends up getting screwed by staff's oversight - case against FR with missing rules and now this... Maybe scheduling round 1 during holidays wasn't such a good idea after all. Wonder how long it will take for someone to realize it...

I truly hope SSG continues, but after this bullshit... Can't really blame them if they were to decide in favor of abandoning this mess.

I'll leave you with this...

"In case there are any unplayed games after this deadline, the administration will investigate the issue and hand out walkover wins for the team that was more active in trying to get the games scheduled and played in time."

A team that didn't play a single game for 12 days advances to the next round!

Bravo, Synergy! Bravo!

[Introducing - ECL Divisions]

In general - quite happy about the overall look of the upcoming division system.

I'm glad that you didn't ignore the feedback on the promotion/relegation system and the fact that new teams simply can't fast-track their way straight to the Elite without playing a single season. Also whilst I'm not a big fan of making such delicate decisions come down to personal opinions, I understand the need for such exceptions and the fact that looking at it on case-by-case basis is probably the best approach to the whole situation.

Bring on ECL 4!

Edit: Also to the people who are concerned about teams dropping out - there have always been multiple teams abandoning the tournaments mid-season, regardless of the regulations. It's safe to say that some will also drop with the new rules in place. Does that mean they're a failure? In my opinion - not at all. With this system in place there will be less blowout games and pretty much everyone participating will have something to fight for against teams of similar skill.