[Inside ECL: Interview with Nephenzy]

Great stuff, as expected! Thanks to @Nephenzy for the interview and to the author for the good read!

[Inside ECL: Interview with cHIIMERa]

Good job @FINSeRe and big thanks to @cHIIMEERa for the interview!

[An update on the website status and league format]

Yup, I agree. Seeding the top 20 separately, in order to cause them to spread evenly 5 per group should be even enough. I suggest we use the TOP 20 (6vs6) ALL-TIME-list that @gzell60 posted.

[An update on the website status and league format]

8 hours ago, tokFan said:

I think we should go for @gzell60  "Top 20 results (all games)".

I'm liking the approach as well. Do we want to categorise the teams in the top 20, or just say that #1 is equal to #20, meaning, we can randomise the 20 evenly into the 4 groups.

[An update on the website status and league format]

7 hours ago, Billy44205 said:

And then what? How will you assess the quality of the lists you may receive? How will you justify using them in any way? I know it doesn't matter for this topic as seeding accuracy really doesn't matter much, but in principle I am against trusting people with personal judgment calls. They are all the less trustworthy now as a good third of the PS4 community was not on Playstation before this year. 

Hence I did asked for the findings to be referenced and explained. Also, I asked to do this publicly, so it can be openly criticised. 

 

 

Very happy with the activity here guys - great work! Please keep the discussion going and comment on the different lists that the guys have put great efforts into making!

[An update on the website status and league format]

@gzell60: To be honest, I don't care as long as people are happy.

I would be happy to randomize all, but if we have a fair way to say which teams should be seeded separately, I'm happy to do so.

What ever sort of TOP-list someone would like to compile for this purpose - I'm happy to look at!

[An update on the website status and league format]

Would anyone be interested in compiling a list of the TOP 20 teams that should be seeded evenly, in order to minimize the risk of "groups of death"?

Please do so publicly, for example by writing your findings in this thread with references to why you chose this order.

 

Thank you!

 

Kenneth

[An update on the website status and league format]

49 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

Jimi and I think someone else had already suggested using the 6v6 leaderboard for seeding, then using randomizer. It's not worse than devising seeding based on who you think is better than who.

 

37 minutes ago, Lauri said:

Seeding top 20 6vs6 monthly leaderboard. 

Yes, this might be the best idea. 1/3 of the teams would be seeded based on leaderboards and rest would be randomized.

Any thoughts from others on whether it should be all-time or monthly leaderboards?

[An update on the website status and league format]

Hmm.. guest posts should be disabled. Interesting.

Anyways, I guess partial seeding could be done. Not all teams have played enough games (especially 6vs6) to be able to be measured. But sure, we could consider putting the known top-teams in different groups. Keep the suggestions coming.

[An update on the website status and league format]

I posted a reply to the other blog as I missed a couple earlier comments. Apparently that moved the other blog to #1 position, so this is a bump for this one, so it appears on the front page of the community. Below is also the comment by @VilberttoCarlos and my reply to it, as I assume most people would miss it otherwise:

On 11 Nov 2015 14:11:41, VilberttoCarlos said:

It would be great if you have a opportunity to upload a game (or clip of it) in to the game report.

In PlayStation 4 players can easily save the game with a share button. There is also players who have game capture devices etc including me. I think there is a lot of players who are interested to watch replays.

I also hope a some kind of "shoutbox" or something similar that was in consolehockey. Place where you can promoting your stream when there is a interesting game coming.

Hey @VilberttoCarlos,

Sorry I didn't notice your comment earlier! We won't have an upload option, as you can upload to YouTube, but we will have the option to submit your YouTube-video ID, which allows us to embed your video to our website.

Shoutbox... yes! I was going to say that we already have that, but it's true it's only in the community side at this stage. We'll see how we can implement it. I would prefer to have the same shoutbox everywhere. If we are doing a live stream, then we can embed the Twitch chat.

Thanks to @Enkmanni for chiming in with his opinion too!

[First screenshots of the actual site]

On 11 Nov 2015 14:11:41, VilberttoCarlos said:

It would be great if you have a opportunity to upload a game (or clip of it) in to the game report.

In PlayStation 4 players can easily save the game with a share button. There is also players who have game capture devices etc including me. I think there is a lot of players who are interested to watch replays.

I also hope a some kind of "shoutbox" or something similar that was in consolehockey. Place where you can promoting your stream when there is a interesting game coming.

Hey @VilberttoCarlos,

Sorry I didn't notice your comment earlier! We won't have an upload option, as you can upload to YouTube, but we will have the option to submit your YouTube-video ID, which allows us to embed your video to our website.

Shoutbox... yes! I was going to say that we already have that, but it's true it's only in the community side at this stage. We'll see how we can implement it. I would prefer to have the same shoutbox everywhere. If we are doing a live stream, then we can embed the Twitch chat.

Thanks to @Enkmanni for chiming in with his opinion too!

[An update on the website status and league format]

Thanks for your comments all. We will do our best to start earlier.

@gzell60: I would prefer to do it with a random generator, while I do understand the dramatic "names drawn from a hat" aspect. With a random generator it's truly random and I can try to make some functionality so we can still do a live stream or something while we do it and announce the teams in group name by name. Of course there might be people yelling "rigged" then, but to be honest, I wouldn't even know how to rig it, as I don't know most of the teams.

I definitely see the drama aspect of it and would like to have some tension and anticipation instead of just a list that we spit out.

[An update on the website status and league format]

26 minutes ago, gzell60 said:

I think we could start a week earlier, that's 3 days to setup your team then. Should be enough time for everyone.

I agree, if all teams are on their toes despite this little silent period in between.

[An update on the website status and league format]

If you voted that the 14th is too late, can you please write in the comments what date you would prefer and how long of a time do you think we should give the teams to get accustomed with the site and adding their roster?

How are you finding the blog posts btw - are they easy to find, or is it hard to notice when there is a new post?

Edit: I can see that the screenshots look pretty low quality. I literally used MS Paint to crop and save them, as I wasn't on my own computer. That may be the reason.

[First screenshots of the actual site]

46 minutes ago, gzell60 said:

Just a reckless imagination on my side:

I've heard before there are ways to 'extract' information from images if the pattern of said image stays the same. Now when you take a screenshot of the end result, all numbers (e.g. goals, shots on goal...) are in the same position each and every time. Wouldn't it be possible to create a tool that allows you to upload that screenshot, so these stats can be extracted and filled into the game report automatically?

I'm quite sure this requires a ton of work and more advanced programming skills, though.

We've been discussing this, actually, but haven't had the time to look into it more than some initial tests.
If anyone can suggest some good software for this, I'm all ears.

 

[First screenshots of the actual site]

@MartindalexC: I have been working on a goal tracker thing (optional), where you can click where the goal was scored from. Shot tracking sounds very time consuming. The same concept can be used of course, but I doubt many would use it for shot tracking. Definitely something that can be considered adding as a super optional feature at a later time, but at this point, there are no plans to have it available during the first tournament.

[First screenshots of the actual site]

As always, I appreciate your opinion and I understand where you're coming from.

I can understand that not everyone is willing to share their real name and we will not force them. I would like to see people at least use names that appear like legitimate names and hopefully we can find a way not to have people use the same names.

Our database will keep track of name changes on a league basis, so even if you play in three tournaments with three different names, it will all link back to the same user and is traceable for anyone viewing your profile. You will not be able to change your name during a league (unless you have a typo or something).

In the end, when listing stats and what not, we're always referring to a user ID, so if we were to decide to change our mind or display Name + gamertag, that's totally doable. The site will see many changes during it's development, some will be good, some will perhaps be a step in the wrong direction and the community will have to help us by providing the feedback on what is loved and what is not. :)

[First screenshots of the actual site]

7 hours ago, Billy44205 said:

I did complain lol. 

Also one more thing I'm gonna complain about even though I don't really care, I think using player names in all those things is stupid. It's better to use gamertags and PSN ID's. It's one of the things I always found stupid on CH, and I think it's one less table to record in your database maybe? I dunno... 

I couldn't disagree more Billy. In my opinion using full names makes things more authentic and a simulation of real life. That's why I play - cause I failed at real life. 

[First screenshots of the actual site]

4 minutes ago, gzell60 said:

Sounds as ambitious as I hoped this project would be. Great ideas right there.

And that's why I hope you make us record more stats than Consolehockey did. It's not like anyone will complain if submitting a result takes 8 instead of 5 minutes.

I'm glad you like it.

I'm sure a lot of people might complain if you cross a certain line, but I hope we can find a balance between awesome and fast. :)

[First screenshots of the actual site]

I don't think that's up to you to decide @Billy44205, but of course these are things that are up for discussion.

We will tell you more about the stats side soon. I am hoping people would be fine with recording the penalty times for the penalty their team takes. While it might feel useless, it opens up a whole new world of analysis. What if we could tell you when your team takes the most penalties, how your penalty kill is working and if there's a certain time-frame when things are going worse than others? We're not quite there yet with the analysis part, but by collecting the relevant data, we are able to do a bunch of cool stats in the future.

Of course analysis is not everyone's cup of tea and we are building the features so that we can choose what fields are must fill and what fields are optional. I'm hoping the penalty times is not something people are against reporting, but as I mentioned, it will of course be taken into consideration.

[First screenshots of the actual site]

1 hour ago, Basstian23 said:

Looks good Kenu! Btw that guy Samuli Sela plays alot in the penaltybox 

Thanks!

Samuli spends more time in the box than he does on the ice.