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It's great that we are getting votes in - but I would love to see some argumentation from both sides of the fence. The alternatives in the article are suggestions and perhaps there are also other alternatives that you might all agree on, so feel free to suggest other ways that you think the Summer Cup might be better/more fun/more even etc. if you believe there should be some changes to the previous format.

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Yeah it's pretty even right now, 19 for 1 and 13 for 2. The rest not commenting dont care, I dunno?

Both are fine because well, the SC is not that serious hockey after all. But personally I'd like to see some change after three, same kind of tournaments. Obviously it's not changing the whole format but I really think that the Elite/Pro/Lite system would bring new taste for the SC and make the tournament even more balanced than before, which would be nice. Some (mostly elite) players reached me during the previous Cups (even though I wasn't in the NG Staff) about the bullshit that happens when he gets drafted to the team where the captain is maybe not that aware of the community.

Result? They saw their team in the draft -> rip moti. And this is no bullshit, this has happened to lots of guys, and you dont have to be even Elite player to get into this situation.

Option #2 is not an end of the world but... it's Summer Cup. Like, it's not hurting anyone to try something new once a year.

If there's any and I mean any kind of new ideas, bring em to the table.

Edited July 29, 2019 by vSilenttio

Elite players vote #2.

Other players vote #1.

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I think a system like in suggestion 1 serves the purpose better, a COMMUNITY event that aims to bring everybody closer to each other. Is it perfect? Maybe not, but big step in the right direction. Some kind of system where you have clear ´divisions´ could be even better for the ultimate goal where as many players get to play as much as possible, lite division and pro/elite together, something like that? Or could just be Lite and the normal SC, users can then choose where they sign up. (Some rules might be needed on who can join the lite version, normal is open to everyone)

´Newer´ players more than likely have a better time - more games, against similar skill level teams/players or at least closer to it. Pro/Elite division players same thing, higher quality games and maybe you see more movement between divisions when new connections are being made.

Unfortunately, kinda pointless at least in my opinion to take part if it´s the same setup as in previous years, it´s more like European Championship - summer edition than something that is made to bring new users into bigger spotlight and promote positive community vibes. Don´t have to take the magic eight ball out to guess what will happen - it´s the top-level players together and rest play the minimum. Of course, there are only so many positions, only so many can play at once and not everybody can play a lot even if they wanted to, but more could be done to make the whole SC experience more enjoyable for all parties involved.

At the moment the idea is great, lets have good time and meet new players from all over and with different experience levels on EASHL, but in reality it´s bit like beer league football on Sunday, you have the group that is all about that - to have fun and just play, maybe new players come in every Sunday to try it out, but then when Sunday comes, the other group you play against is out there running as fast as they can, slide tackling and playing like the championship is on the line. What happened, I thought this was beer league football? ´Oh yea - I can´t hear you, we are winning´.

It´s not that you should not take it seriously and play for the win, but that same ´try hard´ mentality can be seen here on how the teams are built, who plays and how much.

Edited July 29, 2019 by kApollo

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1. So I can pick 2 elite players! CAMA finally my team has the chance to win! 

Alternative options? I have one. 

There are four categories: others(who did no play last ECL), Lite, Pro and Elite. 

First is drafted others and lite. These should be drafted fast using pre-draft orders from captains. Then one by one picking from pro category, the ones relegated from pro and promoted from lite included.  

After this it is turn for ECL Elite players and Pro promoted to Elite.  Noticed there are some players from Elite for example who are away lot or playing "wrong" position. These players are still in their category based on level. Captains duty to make sure who are playing what pos and how much.

This way the whole draft is interesting to follow for majority ofcthe players. No offence on the ones regulary going in last rounds, but in that point everyone is already chatting on whatsapp/discord with their new team mates, not really following draft anymore. 

And this way there would be evenly "top", "middle" and "lower" level players in every team. But still the captains who know what they are doing will be able to gather a good team easily. And less chance to "Fuck up" things. 

 

I dunno, just an alternative idea. 

Well im not going to participate anyways, but from my experience having selected by a captain that plays in lite or nowhere (= having a little to zero knowledge about players) didnt exactly elevate my motivation with their questionable picks.

And having the #1 format would be quite heavily leaning to that happening again. 

So yeah maybe i take this tourney too serious and the SC isnt for me but thats how i think

Edited July 29, 2019 by vatalisti

15 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

1. So I can pick 2 elite players! CAMA finally my team has the chance to win! 

I thought Checkmate got promoted, no?

36 minuuttia sitten, vatalisti kirjoitti:

Well im not going to participate anyways, but from my experience having selected by a captain that plays in lite or nowhere (= having a little to zero knowledge about players) didnt exactly elevate my motivation with their questionable picks.

And having the #1 format would be quite heavily leaning to that happening again. 

So yeah maybe i take this tourney too serious and the SC isnt for me but thats how i think

I feel like summercup is more to have fun and get to know with other players than your own ECL teammates, atleast this is how i have taken it, but also everyone can understand the other side of this, everyone wants to get picked by elite player rather than lite. I do hope that someday we can have all of the captains from 1 division (elite or pro) and then there would be more knowledge about players within captains, but this would require activity from high tier players.

1 minuutti sitten, Crisu_rottis kirjoitti:

but this would require activity from high tier players.

This would solve the problem pretty much but it's understandable why there's not that much Elite captains in Summer Cup. Then again some of the guys are talking about the problem like there's no solution for it - but there is. Read above. I'd be captain this summer but the draft day, well actually the whole weekend, is a huge no for me so :(.

56 minuuttia sitten, janbonator kirjoitti:

I thought Checkmate got promoted, no?

Yes but it didnt change the fact I played in pro so thats why I should be able to have pro status. Or am I wrong?

1 minuutti sitten, Tuukka.R kirjoitti:

Yes but it didnt change the fact I played in pro so thats why I should be able to have pro status. Or am I wrong?

"(In the case of the captain representing a team that was relegated from or promoted to Elite at the end of ECL 8, the captain will be interpreted as an Elite captain)"

C'mon King.

Edited July 29, 2019 by vSilenttio

4 minuuttia sitten, vSilenttio kirjoitti:

"(In the case of the captain representing a team that was relegated from or promoted to Elite at the end of ECL 8, the captain will be interpreted as an Elite captain)"

C'mon King.

Wtf thats totally bs, its common sense that if you dont play even single game in elite you cant be considered as elite player, cmon nhlgamer this aint so hard.. #RIPKesäkulta

1 timme sedan, vatalisti säger:

Well im not going to participate anyways, but from my experience having selected by a captain that plays in lite or nowhere (= having a little to zero knowledge about players) didnt exactly elevate my motivation with their questionable picks.

And having the #1 format would be quite heavily leaning to that happening again. 

So yeah maybe i take this tourney too serious and the SC isnt for me but thats how i think

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6 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

Wtf thats totally bs, its common sense that if you dont play even single game in elite you cant be considered as elite player, cmon nhlgamer this aint so hard.. #RIPKesäkulta

Well, if you're not Elite level, then I guess you are not fit for Elite in season 9. 🤷‍♂️😅

Joking aside, feel free to suggest otherwise - this was just the way we thought it should be, as you will be playing Elite or did play Elite depending on the scenario. This helps make the pool of Elite players bigger as well.

1 tunti sitten, vatalisti kirjoitti:

 

having the #1 format would be quite heavily leaning to that happening again. 

If we have played the SC with the same rules for three years in a row and there have clearly been some issues, how the change is going to "heaviny lean" into that same result again?

The number one reason for the new draft format was the exact same you guys are writing about. Teams being unbalanced because of captains of some teams might not be that aware of the level of players he can draft. Now for an example, with this format the Lite captain is forced to draft one guy from Elite and one guy from Pro. In the previous drafts there have been lots of cases where the "Lite captain" has ruined his team in the first three rounds of the draft -> rip moti for those guys who know little bit more about the game and community than his future captain.

Now all teams will start from the same line, having certain basic structure for the draft. Atleast it will be closer to that than before. Obviously you can't say it's going to be 100% that way but in my eyes, this new format should help with this problem compared to the old format where the captain could do whatever he ever wanted. The result with that format was too many saunakaveri picks in the first rounds of the draft.

In the end it's not going to be that much different, really. It's just about having atleast three different level players in every team when the 3rd round of the draft starts.

Oh and by the way if it means anything to anyone - I've enjoyed the previous tournaments. But it can't hurt to try something new, to make it even more balanced and fun tournament for every player. 

Edited July 29, 2019 by vSilenttio

14 minuuttia sitten, vSilenttio kirjoitti:

If we have played the SC with the same rules for three years in a row and there have clearly been some issues, how the change is going to "heaviny lean" into that same result again?

The number one reason for the new draft format was the exact same you guys are writing about. Teams being unbalanced because of captains of some teams might not be that aware of the level of players he can draft. Now for an example, with this format the Lite captain is forced to draft one guy from Elite and one guy from Pro. In the previous drafts there have been lots of cases where the "Lite captain" has ruined his team in the first three rounds of the draft -> rip moti for those guys who know little bit more about the game and community than his future captain.

Now all teams will start from the same line, having certain basic structure for the draft. Atleast it will be closer to that than before. Obviously you can't say it's going to be 100% that way but in my eyes, this new format should help with this problem compared to the old format where the captain could do whatever he ever wanted. The result with that format was too many saunakaveri picks in the first rounds of the draft.

In the end it's not going to be that much different, really. It's just about having atleast three different level players in every team when the 3rd round of the draft starts.

Oh and by the way if it means anything to anyone - I've enjoyed the previous tournaments. But it can't hurt to try something new, to make it even more balanced and fun tournament for every player. 

Well i enjoy more playing with better players so idk does it help that teams would be more equal to eachother but worse overall considering what i prefer. 

But anyways thats why i dont participate

Edited July 29, 2019 by vatalisti

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I won't participate mostly for same reasons as l_loimu_l, but if you want even tournament you single out tier 1 and 2 players and distripute them to teams by choice made by a group

3 minuuttia sitten, vatalisti kirjoitti:

Well i enjoy more playing with better players so idk does it help that teams would be more equal to eachother but worse overall considering what i prefer. 

But anyways thats why i dont participate

Well yeah if that's the case, the Summer Cup and it's meaning for this whole community, is not built with that kind of mindset. Maybe having two different kind of Summer tourneys next year could for help for this, but it's just a fact that majority of SC players are thinking the whole playing in summer different way. 

3 minuuttia sitten, vSilenttio kirjoitti:

Well yeah if that's the case, the Summer Cup and it's meaning for this whole community, is not built with that kind of mindset. Maybe having two different kind of Summer tourneys next year could for help for this, but it's just a fact that majority of SC players are thinking the whole playing in summer different way. 

Yeah i get SC's purpose.

Since Kenu asked opinions i thought to tell mine. Like i said SC doesnt seem to be a tournament for me

8 minuuttia sitten, vatalisti kirjoitti:

Yeah i get SC's purpose.

Since Kenu asked opinions i thought to tell mine. Like i said SC doesnt seem to be a tournament for me

Yeah, It's great to even see few guys here sharing their thoughts. It's good to know what people think and not just voting yes or no .