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    SJK eSports vs. Written in the Stars - LA Decision

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    NHLGamers,

    In the case that occured between SJK eSports and Written in the Stars in the ECL Elite semi-finals, the following outcome has been agreed on:

    • No extra time will be given.

      Before the ECL 5 Playoffs, the Staff took heavy criticism for lack of clarity in terms of deadlines. Not only in ECL 5, but in previous ECLs as well. Since the beginning of the ECL 5 playoffs, extra effort has been made to improve the clarity of that information. Therefore, the statement "Each pairing, Elite or Pro, must be finished within 7 days from today, meaning last evening to play games is December xxth. Don't expect any extensions!" has been included whenever possible (including in all Elite playoff news communication). Furthermore, a notification above the chatbox with the exact information of the last day to play has been visible for the past two rounds. We have not seen any valid arguments as to why extra time should be given.
       
    • Precedent

      Precedent is a legal term that is defined as "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.". In the ECL 5 Playoffs, there is a precedent for this type of case. In the Pro playoff matchup between Gotham Knights and J P T J, Gotham was awarded 2 WO wins due to J P T J not being able to produce a lineup on the assigned day. Ruling to give extra time in this case would suggest that teams are not equal and that the rules do not have the same meaning to all teams. This is not true for the ECL.
       
    • Both Captains were lacking in communication

      The fact that LA received this information on the day of the last scheduled playoff date is the reason for this verdict taking so long. Always remember, if you are experiencing trouble scheduling games, getting in touch with LA as early as possible is not only encouraged - it is also expected as these decisions need to be discussed thoroughly before deciding.
       
    • Availability

      This is LAs understanding of the availability of both teams:
      Wednesday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Thursday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Friday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Saturday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Sunday: SJK unavailable, SKY available
      Monday: SJK available, SKY available - 4 games played
      Tuesday: SJK available, SKY available - but at different times and could not come to an agreement on starting time

      This gives a total of SJK available on 6/7 days and SKY available on 3/7 days for the round. If we look at traditionally scheduled game days (Monday, Wednesday, Thursday) SJK was available on 3/3 days and SKY on 1/3 days.

      The LAs understanding of availability is based on official communication from both teams with regards to this case. In the case of SKY, their extended unavailability is also understood to be due to one of their preferred forwards (Bugimir) being away on vacation until Sunday the 3rd of December - information that was communicated to LA at an earlier point when SKY appealed for more time to play their games in the previous round versus Dynasty. Furthermore, FlyerKungen's (SKY captain) very public comments on a previous news story gave the clear impression that SKY were not interested in playing any playoff games without their top 6 lineup and that leniency in the form of extra days should be given to ensure the integrity of the league. In this context the 8-player roster limit, that has been part of the ECL rules since the first season, was questioned as well.

      LA argues that the integrity of the league is ensured by teams following the deadlines that have been communicated with the utmost clarity throughout the entire playoffs. A key aspect to meeting these deadlines is keeping a healthy roster size, which the vast majority of teams in all divisions have been working on. Running a 6-player core roster accompanied by two "dummy" players turned out to be the main dealbreaker in this case.

     

    RULING
    SJK is awarded 2 WO wins and moves on to the ECL Elite finals. The decision rests heavily on the amount of days both teams were available as that is the only valid parameter this case could possibly be ruled on - once the option of "extra time" was precluded.

     

    CONCLUSIONS
    Walkover wins in the playoffs are never a good thing, no matter what round or division. However, having a League Administration that sticks to rules and announcements and treats all of the teams equally builds trust in the platform. While things still weren't perfect throughout ECL 5, we are adjusting parameters every season to eradicate the remaining hiccups. This means we will need to ask you some questions before the start of ECL 6: Is the 8-player limit a well-deemed rule? Are 7 days enough to complete possibly 7 games in a single playoff round? Do we need to take an entirely different approach to scheduling and enforcing deadlines?

     

    An additional post announcing the Elite finals will be released, but finalists Aapon Taikasauva and SJK can start scheduling their games.

    League Administration

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    Oh well, ggs. I will start by saying that this wasn't in any way Flyerkungen's fault. Guy's getting all the shit thrown at him even though he was busting his ass off trying to get the games played. Did all he could and does not deserve any of this shit. (Martindale, eat shit)
    I arrived from my infamous trip to Miami on Saturday/Sunday night(was great!) and we were ready to play from Sunday onwards. Btw Johtajavirtanen took my spot on LW against Dynasty. So we missed two potential gamedays in semi-finals first week(Wednesday/Thursday) because come on, no one plays on weekends. TWO DAYS. Then we were available on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. At this point unfortunate scheduling things got into play as SJK:s goalies couldn't play before 22cet on couple nights and we had some workshift problems aswell. Everything was negotiated peacefully and both teams had zero problem on agreeing to play today. I understand that it is over the deadline and a punishable action on some situations. But seriously. In ECL semi-finals, when both teams have no problem with the situation and have ABSOLUTELY no desire for walkovers. This was clearly LA:s attempt to brush their soft imago, which is understandable and NEEDED to get people respect the rules. But in my personal opinion this was not the right circumstance to make that move.
    Yeah, I can take the blame on myself for missing 2 gamedays while sipping pina coladas. I thought we had appropriate amount of time left to finish the series which was 4 _potential_ gamedays. There's just always unfortunate surprises. 
    I won't argue that this wasn't the right call according to the rulebook. I just believe that this was not the right call according to the circumstances. Good luck SJK

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    2 minuuttia sitten, Bugimir kirjoitti:


    Yeah, I can take the blame on myself for missing 2 gamedays while sipping pina coladas. 

    You are too young to drink pina coladas in USA..

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    4 minutes ago, Bugimir said:

    Oh well, ggs. I will start by saying that this wasn't in any way Flyerkungen's fault. Guy's getting all the shit thrown at him even though he was busting his ass off trying to get the games played. Did all he could and does not deserve any of this shit. (Martindale, eat shit)

    ...

     

    So it was his fault? Since he couldn't ice a lineup consistently and consequently had to forfeit games. You can't really not blame him since it's his fucking job. 

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    Just now, MartindalexC kirjoitti:

     

    So it was his fault? Since he couldn't ice a lineup consistently and consequently had to forfeit games. You can't really not blame him since it's his fucking job. 

    Fuck you're trying to get it sound like he refused to play every time SJK suggested. If two teams schedule games and one can play at 21 latest and the other 23 onwards how can you blame the captain? This was the case more often than not during those 4 potential gamedays. 

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    @gzell60 I'm not blaming SJK from anything. But how LA counted those days when teams were available, I dont get it? 

    SJK didnt even try to get games on Wednesday so that day should not be counted right? Thursday they were online, we were not. Friday and saturday, as I said, should not be counted either? Sunday we were there, SJK didn't. Situation 1-1. Monday we played and tuesday both were online but in different times. So in my eyes situation is tied in what comes to days when you were able to play.

    At the end, that "day race" should not be even one of the reasons to give a WOs. But maybe LA see this is our fault in some kinda way. You are not punishing only us, you punish SJK too. Taste is shit on both sides. GGs. 

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    Just now, Tuukka.R said:

    There isnt really a case what Sky could win at LA. For real. Sky's g got frozen opponent scored, goal was allowed by LA. 

    Yes yes. There's a deep state conspiracy here at NHLGamer that the LA have a grudge against Written and are secretly trying to break them down through a series of decisions, rip.

     

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    1 minuutti sitten, Totalii kirjoitti:

    LA hate's Written In The Stars players, maybe?:)

    LA doesn't hate Written players. Everyone does.

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    @Bugimir Thx buddy. I know how things went, Im not blaming myself. We did everything. SJK as well. All respect to our opponent too. @Leksa94 @hooneli Great work on your side, I hope you guys very best on finals...

    In last couple of weeks I have been maybe be a dick. I know that. Sorry for everyone. I dont hate people of here, I dont wanna be hated. I know, I act too heavily sometimes. Its my temperament. I think you can imagine my feelings atm... At the end, nothing personal.

    Theres a many guys out there who knows Im good guy. Im not very best to show my real personality on internet. 

    And @plee999 Much feelings, much passion. Im showing them. U know. Sry and thanks, Im out for this time.

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    Obviously I'm very sad about this result. It would have felt way more better to try to reach finals by yourself, not by staff decision.

    Both teams agreed to play today, if we get permission from staff. They didn't gave it for us and it feels very bad and kinda wrong in this situation,  but I also understand it. If they would have given us permission, every team in the future would have used this as an example to get extra time. 

    I'm glad I didn't have to make this decision.  Staffs would have received hate anyway, whatever they would have decided. What an ungrateful job to have right now.

    In the end I feel really bad for SKY, I know how big thing this is for them and how much they have trained.

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    Just now, MartindalexC kirjoitti:

    10/10 comeback 

    Thx I was planning it for while. Great performance again. But anyway WO's at this point of playoffs makes me sick. Yes you are complaining about rules. Rules says this and this. Are we here to play or get WO's. Cheapest way to get in finals. I know this is just a videogame but access to final is huge thing. Should we give WO's on finals as well ? Wheres the silver line. I personally have lost my trust to LA decisions. 

    We have now finals where one team get there by winning and one who staff decided to play there. Sounds good right ? (Sjk has putted on shitty situation not their fault.) 

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    2 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

    Thx I was planning it for while. Great performance again. But anyway WO's at this point of playoffs makes me sick. Yes you are complaining about rules. Rules says this and this. Are we here to play or get WO's. Cheapest way to get in finals. I know this is just a videogame but access to final is huge thing. Should we give WO's on finals as well ? Wheres the silver line. I personally have lost my trust to LA decisions. 

    We have now finals where one team get there by winning and one who staff decided to play there. Sounds good right ? (Sjk has putted on shitty situation not their fault.) 

    Why dont you be the reasonable adult and write better rules for those you think are faulty so we wont have this situation in future tournaments and stop complaining when things arent going the way you like them to

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    3 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

    Thx I was planning it for while. Great performance again. But anyway WO's at this point of playoffs makes me sick. Yes you are complaining about rules. Rules says this and this. Are we here to play or get WO's. Cheapest way to get in finals. I know this is just a videogame but access to final is huge thing. Should we give WO's on finals as well ? Wheres the silver line. I personally have lost my trust to LA decisions. 

    We have now finals where one team get there by winning and one who staff decided to play there. Sounds good right ? (Sjk has putted on shitty situation not their fault.) 

    Alright calm down with the slippery slope shit. No the admins aren't going to fix the results. And how has this made you lose trust in them? They followed the rules and applied them correctly to the information they were given, nothing more, nothing less. 

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    3 minuuttia sitten, Lauri kirjoitti:

    Why dont you be the reasonable adult and write better rules for those you think are faulty so we wont have this situation in future tournaments and stop complaining when things arent going the way you like them to

    1. Teams can ask 1-2 days extra to play games during playoffs. If playoffs are on second round -> 

    Thx it was so hard. 

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    2 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

    1. Teams can ask 1-2 days extra to play games during playoffs. 

    Thx it was so hard. 

    For any reason whatsoever? Good job man you are amazing

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    3 minutes ago, Tuukka.R said:

    1. Teams can ask 1-2 days extra to play games during playoffs. 

    Thx it was so hard. 

    So under what scenario should it be granted? How do you deal with teams scheduling with that in mind? How do you work around the fact that it could mean later rounds could be pushed into the holidays? et cetera, et cetera. There's more to rules than just randomly suggesting something. 

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    6 minuuttia sitten, MartindalexC kirjoitti:

    So under what scenario should it be granted? How do you deal with teams scheduling with that in mind? How do you work around the fact that it could mean later rounds could be pushed into the holidays? et cetera, et cetera. There's more to rules then just randomly suggesting something. 

    In this case games would be played before holidays even if sky-sjk get 1-2 extra days. And Aapo couldnt play tonight so its kinda same if sjk-sky get one more day as they were planned. Ofc situation would be different if even 1-2 games arent enough then maybe WO's but my suggestion was all about to give teams more opportunitys to play that cant be so bad ? Maybe this wont work on pro and lite because more teams on poffs. All what I want that teams have all possibly help to play those games. LA shouldnt punish teams they should support. Ofc sometimes there are cases that you need to punish teams. This isnt the case. (Ok rules says this shit atm but it shouldnt maybe next season we have uppraded rules).

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    "everyone hates players from SKY" 

    COMMOOOOOOOOOON! Bitch please. 
    Welcome to my world

    xD:ph34r:

    Just wait 7-8 more years, you will get over it. 
    noob. 

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    I want to say my thanks to my Captain and best friend @FlyerKungen . Its seems easy to hate him here because of his way to talk about things in public but to me he has always been such a wonderful person and hard working captain.

    You guys here can keep hating and rising your name here by talking negative words about us, but...

    To me this NHL competing is just loving the game and challenge what opponents gives on the road.

    Like Niki Lauda said in movie called Rush: ''Wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends.''

    And that being said I want to give all my love and respect to the greatest enemies in this game (as teams SJK and GRR)

    and (as players @Dominointi  and @Penatski). Even though this thing happend, both of you have earned my respect and admiration for winning the cup.

     

    So keep working, keep improving see you in the next season.

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    Guys, I'm pretty sure nobody hates you. You're great team, hell, one of the best teams of nextgen and NHLGamer era. That just doesn't give you any special treatment when such things needs to be decided. It's nothing personal - unless you want it to be like that. 

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    Maybe LA needs atleast one member who plays in top elite team. Maybe then I dont have to read about "Sky didnt wanted to play without top 6 players, we have 8 player roster limit" Xddd Who is playing tight semifinal games with y roster. If you want to win something you have to have 6 good/top players. 8 roster limit is good when we are talking about regular season. 

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