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    SJK eSports vs. Written in the Stars - LA Decision

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    NHLGamers,

    In the case that occured between SJK eSports and Written in the Stars in the ECL Elite semi-finals, the following outcome has been agreed on:

    • No extra time will be given.

      Before the ECL 5 Playoffs, the Staff took heavy criticism for lack of clarity in terms of deadlines. Not only in ECL 5, but in previous ECLs as well. Since the beginning of the ECL 5 playoffs, extra effort has been made to improve the clarity of that information. Therefore, the statement "Each pairing, Elite or Pro, must be finished within 7 days from today, meaning last evening to play games is December xxth. Don't expect any extensions!" has been included whenever possible (including in all Elite playoff news communication). Furthermore, a notification above the chatbox with the exact information of the last day to play has been visible for the past two rounds. We have not seen any valid arguments as to why extra time should be given.
       
    • Precedent

      Precedent is a legal term that is defined as "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.". In the ECL 5 Playoffs, there is a precedent for this type of case. In the Pro playoff matchup between Gotham Knights and J P T J, Gotham was awarded 2 WO wins due to J P T J not being able to produce a lineup on the assigned day. Ruling to give extra time in this case would suggest that teams are not equal and that the rules do not have the same meaning to all teams. This is not true for the ECL.
       
    • Both Captains were lacking in communication

      The fact that LA received this information on the day of the last scheduled playoff date is the reason for this verdict taking so long. Always remember, if you are experiencing trouble scheduling games, getting in touch with LA as early as possible is not only encouraged - it is also expected as these decisions need to be discussed thoroughly before deciding.
       
    • Availability

      This is LAs understanding of the availability of both teams:
      Wednesday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Thursday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Friday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Saturday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Sunday: SJK unavailable, SKY available
      Monday: SJK available, SKY available - 4 games played
      Tuesday: SJK available, SKY available - but at different times and could not come to an agreement on starting time

      This gives a total of SJK available on 6/7 days and SKY available on 3/7 days for the round. If we look at traditionally scheduled game days (Monday, Wednesday, Thursday) SJK was available on 3/3 days and SKY on 1/3 days.

      The LAs understanding of availability is based on official communication from both teams with regards to this case. In the case of SKY, their extended unavailability is also understood to be due to one of their preferred forwards (Bugimir) being away on vacation until Sunday the 3rd of December - information that was communicated to LA at an earlier point when SKY appealed for more time to play their games in the previous round versus Dynasty. Furthermore, FlyerKungen's (SKY captain) very public comments on a previous news story gave the clear impression that SKY were not interested in playing any playoff games without their top 6 lineup and that leniency in the form of extra days should be given to ensure the integrity of the league. In this context the 8-player roster limit, that has been part of the ECL rules since the first season, was questioned as well.

      LA argues that the integrity of the league is ensured by teams following the deadlines that have been communicated with the utmost clarity throughout the entire playoffs. A key aspect to meeting these deadlines is keeping a healthy roster size, which the vast majority of teams in all divisions have been working on. Running a 6-player core roster accompanied by two "dummy" players turned out to be the main dealbreaker in this case.

     

    RULING
    SJK is awarded 2 WO wins and moves on to the ECL Elite finals. The decision rests heavily on the amount of days both teams were available as that is the only valid parameter this case could possibly be ruled on - once the option of "extra time" was precluded.

     

    CONCLUSIONS
    Walkover wins in the playoffs are never a good thing, no matter what round or division. However, having a League Administration that sticks to rules and announcements and treats all of the teams equally builds trust in the platform. While things still weren't perfect throughout ECL 5, we are adjusting parameters every season to eradicate the remaining hiccups. This means we will need to ask you some questions before the start of ECL 6: Is the 8-player limit a well-deemed rule? Are 7 days enough to complete possibly 7 games in a single playoff round? Do we need to take an entirely different approach to scheduling and enforcing deadlines?

     

    An additional post announcing the Elite finals will be released, but finalists Aapon Taikasauva and SJK can start scheduling their games.

    League Administration

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    Giving out WOs in Elite Semi-finals is a true tragedy for the league. Much shame to both teams that they could not reach an agreement to play all games in time, and forced LA:s hand. Giving extra time has been a focus of much criticism in earlier tournaments - and it seems popular demand made it self heard in the end. I hope every team takes note from this and recruit bigger rosters for coming seasons, beyond the 8 man MINIMUM requirement. 

    That is my take on it.

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    3 minutes ago, Tauri said:

    I would say money

    So that's the problem? We need to pay shitty captains to balls up scheduling. Genius! 

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    1 minute ago, xDoumi said:

    i thought this was competetion of european best 6s teams. Boring to have wo’s in this time if both teams agreed extra day. plzdonthitme

    YES, and also Aapo isn´t even able to play tonight so the extra day wouldn´t have changed anything. This decision is just unbealivable.

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    1 minute ago, MartindalexC said:

    So that's the problem? We need to pay shitty captains to balls up scheduling. Genius! 

    No, did not say that...

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    1 minuutti sitten, Tauri kirjoitti:

    I would say money

    Yes, and everyone needs to follow the rules if people wants to make this professional league someday.

     

     

    15 minuuttia sitten, pelimies80 kirjoitti:

    Good decision. There is rules what need to follow. If LA don't follow the rules why someone is writing the rules then?

    /thread

     

     

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    Just now, Tauri said:

    No, did not say that...

    You said the main difference is money, would captains not be paid in this fantasy? That's not very nice. 

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    1 minuutti sitten, SadaPoika kirjoitti:

    YES, and also Aapo isn´t even able to play tonight so the extra day wouldn´t have changed anything. This decision is just unbealivable.

    Extra would have changed rules..

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    2 minutes ago, jumalpeku said:

    Yes, and everyone needs to follow the rules if people wants to make this professional league someday.

     

     

    Yes. But I mean, we are not there yet. More of a fun thing and if both teams agreed on 1 day extra that would not effect anyone else. I can not see the problem

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    According to the rules admin could give extra day and still following the rules

    I am so glad I don't make any decisions tho:)

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    1 minute ago, MartindalexC said:

    You said the main difference is money, would captains not be paid in this fantasy? That's not very nice. 

    What are you talking about? I just said that a difference between beerleague and professional league is money.

    1 minute ago, Bjono said:

    According to the rules admin could give extra day and still following the rules

    I am so glad I don't make any decisions tho:)

    Exactly 

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    Just now, Tauri said:

    What are you talking about? I just said that a difference between beerleague and professional league is money.

    Musings aren't lost on you are they? 

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    2 minutes ago, Totalii said:

    This scene doesn't have one with this kind of LA.

     

    Just now, JOHTAJAVIRTANEN said:

    I think that all SKY haters including LA enjoys this. They have never liked us and now they got their revenge. GGs gzell666!

    Lol

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    1 minuutti sitten, JOHTAJAVIRTANEN kirjoitti:

    I think that all SKY haters including LA enjoys this. They have never liked us and now they got their revenge. GGs gzell666!

    lol 

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    2 minutes ago, JOHTAJAVIRTANEN said:

    I think that all SKY haters including LA enjoys this. They have never liked us and now they got their revenge. GGs gzell666!

    Boi, with all due respect, what the fuck are you even talking about? 

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    2 minuuttia sitten, JOHTAJAVIRTANEN kirjoitti:

    I think that all SKY haters including LA enjoys this. They have never liked us and now they got their revenge. GGs gzell666!

    And sky hates rules, or?

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    Just now, plee999 said:

    And sky hates rules, or?

    Ask totalii, afterall he's one of the few that has gotten banned for breaking them before. 

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    15 minuuttia sitten, gzell60 kirjoitti:

    Why is the comment section below the actual ruling the first time we hear from you about someone being in hospital? If there's a lot more that isn't told in this post, then it wasn't brought to our attention in the first place.

    Stop it.. You and staff, you don't care. You ASSUME things everytime. You guys dont respect top teams at all. Stop being lazy as shit and ask questions. You dont care if something is 100% true or not. Thats why you didnt ask anything from me after your first message yesterday. You only ask something once and then fill empty holes with your rulebook a.k.a JesusChrist Diary... Cama. 

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    2 minutes ago, FlyerKungen said:

    Stop it.. You and staff, you don't care. You ASSUME things everytime. You guys dont respect top teams at all. Stop being lazy as shit and ask questions. You dont care if something is 100% true or not. Thats why you didnt ask anything from me after your first message yesterday. You only ask something once and then fill empty holes with your rulebook a.k.a JesusChrist Diary... Cama. 

    Then fucking give him all the details?? How can they make a decision if you seemingly hold pertinent information from them, dear fucking jesus christ on a bike, for the love of god never go near a court-room. 

     

    (Fade in)

    Interior: Court-room somewhere in Helsinki

    [F=Mr Kungen, J=Judge]

    -----

    J: So is that everything?

    F: Yes

    J: Okay, well in that case I'm sentencing you to two years imprisonment for being useless.

    F: Ohhhh myyyyy godddddddddddd you dumb Judge.... why didn't you ask me this question? I would've told you this information that could've changed your outlook on this situation.

    J: Are you kidding me?

    F: No, stop being incompetent and do your job

    J: ???????????

     

     

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    What is this shitstorm?

    Stop crying, i can understand the fact that this case has different opinions.

    You forced LA to make the call, live with it.

    Next time make sure you have enough players in your roster so you are capable of playing the games.

    Last thing you should do is to attack against LA, theyre here to enforce the rules, and its the shittiest "job" you can do here, but someone has to do it.

    If you want improvements to rules, do pass them on privately.

    You aint getting anything done better for next time by talking bullcrap.

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    2 minuuttia sitten, FlyerKungen kirjoitti:

    Stop it.. You and staff, you don't care. You ASSUME things everytime. You guys dont respect top teams at all. Stop being lazy as shit and ask questions. You dont care if something is 100% true or not. Thats why you didnt ask anything from me after your first message yesterday. You only ask something once and then fill empty holes with your rulebook a.k.a JesusChrist Diary... Cama. 

    So you mean top teams should have different rules compared to pro-lite teams. Wake the fk up.

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    1 minuutti sitten, MartindalexC kirjoitti:

    Then fucking give him all the details?? How can they make a decision if you seemingly hold pertinent information from them, dear fucking jesus christ on a bike, for the love of god never go near a court-room. 

    You again, omg. :D This was first time for me working with LA and ofc I waited them to ask me some questions if something was unclear. I see there was unclear things, but they never came back with questions. They only assume. 

    But you dont understand, its not surprise at all. 

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    Just now, FlyerKungen said:

    You again, omg. :D This was first time for me working with LA and ofc I waited them to ask me some questions if something was unclear. I see there was unclear things, but they never came back with questions. They only assume. 

    But you dont understand, its not surprise at all. 

    So you told them your backup player (s) were unable to play because of a sickness? 

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    2 minutes ago, FlyerKungen said:

    You again, omg. :D This was first time for me working with LA and ofc I waited them to ask me some questions if something was unclear. I see there was unclear things, but they never came back with questions. They only assume. 

    But you dont understand, its not surprise at all. 

    You fucking....

    Their job isn't to ask you questions, you go in, say what you need to say and let them deliberate on their decision. How did you 'think' this worked, some sort of back and forth series of messages? No one has time for that shit, get in, say what you need to say and get out.

    "But you dont understand, its not surprise at all. "

    Oh dear child, I believe it's you that doesn't understand :) 

    Just now, Lauri said:

    So you told them your backup player (s) were unable to play because of a sickness? 

    Nah bro, they didn't ask so he didn't say. Incompetent LA, incompetent I say!

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    1 minute ago, FlyerKungen said:

    You again, omg. :D This was first time for me working with LA and ofc I waited them to ask me some questions if something was unclear. I see there was unclear things, but they never came back with questions. They only assume. 

    But you dont understand, its not surprise at all. 

    Actually, I asked you to post the conversation your team had with SJK captains, as that usually helps in finding a more educated decision. I don't know how this leads you to believe that crucial information like someone being in hospital is not relevant to the outcome.

    In this case, both stories (SKY and SJK) were very coherent, so it was easy to understand what happened during the past few days. Information about availability matched, that's why we made our decision based on that.

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    25 minutes ago, SadaPoika said:

    YES, and also Aapo isn´t even able to play tonight so the extra day wouldn´t have changed anything. This decision is just unbealivable.

    :(
    Well we could have played tonight if we knew the verdict earlier of course. 
    It's not easy to schedule your games when you don't get the info until the afternoon on the possible game day. And then you also hear the rumors that SJK - SKY will be given an extra day. 

    WO's should never happen in this league :/ But rules are rules also. It surely must have been a hard decision to make for LA. 
     

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    LA show now right way at they control the things in this tournament. This is a good notice/sign in the future ECL tournaments

    too at LA can make difficult but right decisions. 

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