Private Game Passwords for Competitive Training

Thats the nice idea but unfortunately we have seen it like that doesnt work. So many under level teams has used wrong password. There should be some kind of report system like teams are able to report teams and their players who are using wrong password, first they will get warning from that and if that happens again then whole team and players would be banned for next Sportsgamer tournament

13 minuuttia sitten, Saviinainen kirjoitti:

Thats the nice idea but unfortunately we have seen it like that doesnt work. So many under level teams has used wrong password. There should be some kind of report system like teams are able to report teams and their players who are using wrong password, first they will get warning from that and if that happens again then whole team and players would be banned for next Sportsgamer tournament

Thank you for your message, good point, and the intention here was perhaps to remind people about this and bring up the issue. It may also be that there are some who were not aware of this, but there are certainly those who have ended up playing with the ECLPro password because they couldn't find any others. But whatever the reason, let's try to activate all three passwords so that everyone can find games at their own level. But let's monitor the situation after this reactivation ☺️

I wouldn't mind having atleast actual ECL teams instead of 6 drunk russian guys with 500ms ping

18 tuntia sitten, Saviinainen kirjoitti:

Thats the nice idea but unfortunately we have seen it like that doesnt work. So many under level teams has used wrong password. There should be some kind of report system like teams are able to report teams and their players who are using wrong password, first they will get warning from that and if that happens again then whole team and players would be banned for next Sportsgamer tournament

This is a good idea. The ECLPro password has been abused for most of the time it's been around. Enforcement is the only way to make it work as intended.

If your team is legitimately good enough to play against Pro teams, climb into Pro/Pro qualifiers with your team and then search with the password intended for those teams. If you don't enjoy playing against teams below that level, join a team that plays in Pro/Pro qualifiers.

Top Lites still should be able to use ECLPro, because lites and cores is too easy for them and its not challange.
This year i play Lite, but i can easy hold against pro and elites team and my team is strong enough to play ECLPro search, so i dont see reason to not search ECLPro. Also - You can always dodge if you dont like something or they gonna leave game if they see that you are to strong.just stop crying all the time - this is not that big problem how you think it is..

if you have issues just book bo3 with teams what you want to go against and play. If you search public be aware there gonna be different type of guys. Also look at roster and see if guys play pro even if mixed team with wierd name.

Also - lot of pro teams is not even capable to play in pros. so its make no sense to give warnings to teams who abuse ECLpro search and ruining experience for pros, because a lot of this pro teams is not even capable to play in pros and hold up against true pro teams who actualy made pros by skill and experience not money. All the time have this problems in PRO, long time PRO Level is not only Proffesionals in game, its just guys who can pay up license and go trough qualy. But like we saw last year, everyone went in even last places, so its not qualy tournament at all, its again - money. So make nonsense to cry about experience.

Edited 20 hours ago by saaggssy

Every team has earned their spot in each division, so if top lite team think they are better than some teams in PRO, just prove it and get promoted from lite to pro next season, then you are able to use that pro division password 😊 until that they should use own division password which is ECLLite or then they should arrange some private BO3 games but not ruining other pracs using wrong division password. Also you can always use public search

What if you play with/in a club that's not in a league. A club like Nightbot.👀😎

I understand both saaggssy and Karlzzzon's perspective for sure. And I've played countless good games against Nightbot and saaggssy (many of which my team lost).

So it gets more complicated with teams that could compete in Pro and are thus well matched against Pro teams. And as saaggssy pointed out, some Pro teams are actually worse than some Lite teams.

I still support Saviinainen's idea of enforcing the passwords, however. This would make it clearer and fairer. If you make all these exceptions, even if they're based on teams' skill levels, the line gets blurred and people start asking why one team is supposedly good enough to use the password while another isn't. The slippery slope eventually returns us to this same situation.

I'm personally not even in a Pro team now, I just like the idea based on a lot of experience with matchmaking using the ECLPro password.

 

Enforcing this would be an overreach and teams will still use the most widely used password if they can’t find a game.

So while it’s a nice idea, the community will carry on doing what they’re doing.

The reason why Lite-Neo teams search with ECLPro is simply because the public matchmaking is so bad you have to dodge non-competitive & bot-filled teams multiple times. That’s on EA, don’t blame the teams for just trying to find a damn game. I represent these teams and I have never found an opponent with ECLLite.

How about one password for all competitive practice games, the team who dodges waits a bit before searching again to avoid re-matching. This way we could a) increase matchmaking pool, b) filter the matchmaking to competitive human-filled teams only, and lastly c) teams can dodge if they don’t want to play. Current system is never going to work without mods and who has time for that?

Can you have two captains from different divisions in a team?

1 tunti sitten, markalla2 kirjoitti:

The reason why Lite-Neo teams search with ECLPro is simply because the public matchmaking is so bad you have to dodge non-competitive & bot-filled teams multiple times. That’s on EA, don’t blame the teams for just trying to find a damn game. I represent these teams and I have never found an opponent with ECLLite.

How about one password for all competitive practice games, the team who dodges waits a bit before searching again to avoid re-matching. This way we could a) increase matchmaking pool, b) filter the matchmaking to competitive human-filled teams only, and lastly c) teams can dodge if they don’t want to play. Current system is never going to work without mods and who has time for that?

I think the suggestion is identical to the current situation, only with a different password. The non-competitive teams would start using the new password as soon as they got wind of it, which would be soon enough.

Also, the dodging team waiting before searching again is already the unwritten rule. Not everyone adheres to it though, as a lot of teams just dodge and search again right away. This would also not change.

The public matchmaking system is definitely broken, but ECLPro was created by a Pro team for the purpose of practicing with other Pro teams. It was basically just a shortcut around Pro teams having to set up private games on Discord or wherever. Now it's rare for a Pro team to find another Pro team using the password. It's not on these teams to fix the matchmaking system. The reason it's next to impossible to find a decent competitive game without using this password is exactly because everyone is using it.

Honestly, I don't mind the password games including any teams from the lower divisions that are actually good enough for the game not to be a complete waste of time. We all know these teams exist, and we all know Pro has teams that are worse than some in the lower divisions. The problem is that everyone thinks their team is good enough to compete with Pro teams, which is obviously not the case. This is why limiting each password to teams in its corresponding division would be the solution. It removes any ambiguity around who "deserves" to use a specific password.

Enforcing the passwords is probably not realistic, so I agree with you and tbnantti on that point. My posts go back to all the wasted time against teams that any Pro team would beat with their hands tied behind their backs.

Rally english, here I come.

I see here 2 options.

Option 1: All teams (Lite, Pro) , (Elite?) can search Pro-password. If you dont like your opponent, dodge it and try find a new one. If you want play more competetive games, then you need arrange private game.

Option 2: We must force ALL Lite teams (Core?) use Lite-password. And all teams need to know this. If all Lite teams uses it like pro-password, games will find easy. But there is "what if" problem always...(mixed teams, last season in Pro/Elite. etc...) Again, if you dont like your opponent, dodge it and find a new one. 

"just arrange bo3 games" is not an option for Lite teams if they cant use pro-password. Lite-password need to be popular. If Lite-password are not popular, then all the teams search with Pro-password...

 

So far, my team havent found any games with Lite-password...

Also late night games; If clock is like 23.00 (fin time) and Lite (Core?)team is going to search with Lite-password and games not found. Its very stupid, if Lite team must go to normal broken search and cant try with pro-password. At the time, most of teams are mixed and its good for everyone, if you can find an opponent elsewhere than in normal broken search...

I think a solution could be to have a new password for Elite and Pro teams and keep ECLPro as is where every team can search games with ECL rules if they can't find games in their own division.

1 hour ago, j23191 said:

Can you have two captains from different divisions in a team?

I'm not sure if I understood your question correctly, but if you mean what I think you mean, see Page 13 in the ECL Rules for section 5.3 “Backer” role.

If that's not what you meant, please explain in more detail and we'll do our best to help out.

32 minuuttia sitten, Awesome_Zone_ kirjoitti:

Rally english, here I come.

I see here 2 options.

Option 1: All teams (Lite, Pro) , (Elite?) can search Pro-password. If you dont like your opponent, dodge it and try find a new one. If you want play more competetive games, then you need arrange private game.

Option 2: We must force ALL Lite teams (Core?) use Lite-password. And all teams need to know this. If all Lite teams uses it like pro-password, games will find easy. But there is "what if" problem always...(mixed teams, last season in Pro/Elite. etc...) Again, if you dont like your opponent, dodge it and find a new one. 

"just arrange bo3 games" is not an option for Lite teams if they cant use pro-password. Lite-password need to be popular. If Lite-password are not popular, then all the teams search with Pro-password...

 

So far, my team havent found any games with Lite-password...

Also late night games; If clock is like 23.00 (fin time) and Lite (Core?)team is going to search with Lite-password and games not found. Its very stupid, if Lite team must go to normal broken search and cant try with pro-password. At the time, most of teams are mixed and its good for everyone, if you can find an opponent elsewhere than in normal broken search...

Good points.

Lite has what, 64 teams? If they actually used the password for Lite teams, a Lite team finding another Lite team would be easier than any other way of matchmaking in the game.

We have been using ECLLite password lately and there has been games .. not long waiting periods in lobby. I also like to play quite activilely so I visit another teams also and sometimes ECLPro games so its bit different when playing with mixed teams. Maybe easiest way is just dodge if you dont want to play against some team, it might be frustrating and  take some time to find you actually want to play against. Sometimes teams dont play even if they are in same level in ECL... so its not always so easy to find game.