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    Introducing - ECL Divisions

    Hello NHLGamers,

     

    It’s been rumored, it’s been talked about… we even hinted at it earlier during the season but tonight we are finally making the official announcement: moving forward after ECL 3, the European Championship League will take on a skill and merit-based divisional format. This is your post to find out everything about this new system and the next step in Online Competitive EASHL gaming before it is launched in ECL 4.


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    Divisions
    First thing’s first, the divisions. The idea behind creating these divisions will be expanded upon in the text but the short version is this:

    We are continually working to improve the site, the leagues and the overall NHLGamer experience for everyone. Some might say this development process is moving too slow and does not reach far enough, some might say the website is expanding in ways that it should not. The community is special in many ways, not just because parts of it has stayed together for years (including previous websites, the community is now more than half a decade old) but also because it is continually expanding. NHLGamer has almost doubled its membership in less than a year while still maintaining its core, which is all of you in the community.

    It creates a tough balancing act when trying to create a fun place for EASHL rookies that want to experience the thrill of playing competitively for the first time while trying to give the hardened tournament veterans what they want, which is the best tournament possible where the stakes are high and winner takes all.

    Still, in an attempt to achieve this, we will be creating a divisions system where the hope is that teams will be better matched against each other – something we hope will lead to tighter games, more fun for everyone involved all the while creating a stronger foundation for the tournament to stand on. Our hope is also that more teams will be inclined to stay together and build longer lasting franchises.

    We’ve structured this post so that we should be able to answer as many of your questions as possible by getting to them one by one – a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) if you will. This FAQ will be available for future reference when the actual division based leagues come around.

    Despite this, if you feel something is unclear or just plain weird, feel free to sound off in the comment section with questions like: “Well, what if this happens..?” and we will do our best and elaborate.

     

    Let’s get to it:


    Q: How many divisions will there be?
    The short answer is 3 – a total of 3 separate divisions. The longer answer is that we set off to create an environment where all the top teams face off in the prestigious ECL Elite, up and coming franchises battle with veteran teams in the competitive ECL Pro and all newly entered or learning teams start off in ECL Amateur to hone their skills.

    This prevents teams with years of experience and chemistry from numerous EASHL competitions,  from facing off with teams new to the site who are just learning what it takes to play EASHL at the ECL level.



    Q: How many teams will there be in each division?
    We are looking at a total of 16 teams for ECL Elite, 16 teams for ECL Pro and, depending on the amount of registrations, 16-24 (or more) teams in ECL Amateur.

    The goal is to keep ECL Elite and ECL Pro consistently the same size (16 teams each), which means if teams completely drop out of the division system or inactive teams return (read on), there will be balancing measures - meaning increased amounts of promotions or relegations. During extraordinary circumstances, ECL Pro can deviate from its 16-team baseline but ECL Elite has a hard cap of 16 teams. This part, much like inactive teams, is specified further down in the text.

    In case ECL Amateur sees an extraordinary amount of registrations, the staff will then decide if the division can be split up into two “conferences” (like ECL 3) or if registrations will have to be closed for the tournament in question. As a rule of thumb, we always do our best to include all registered teams in our leagues, as long as it’s reasonable.


    Q: How many games will there be in a season?
    The amount of games will, as per usual, be 2 games against each opponent – meaning 30 games (15 opponents) each season for ECL Elite & ECL Pro and somewhere around the same for ECL Amateur depending on the amount of teams.

    This ensures lean, hard-fought seasons with what we hope is the perfect amount of games – you get a sense of both the regular season grind while at the same time reaching the playoff threshold in just 5 short weeks: this by playing 3 opponents per week, just like during the last few seasons.


    Q: How will promotion and relegation work?
    First off, we will have promotions and relegations. Having closed divisions is not something we are considering at the moment so we are going with the European hockey model where teams can be both promoted and relegated in the different divisions.

    For ECL Elite:

    • 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Elite Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The teams that finish #15 and 16 in ECL Elite will instantly be relegated and play in ECL Pro the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will not be instantly relegated, but will have to play two teams (one each) from ECL Pro in a Best of 7- ECL Relegation/Promotion Round.
    • Teams that finish in places 9-12 will not play in the playoffs nor be subject to relegation.
    • In summary, this means a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 teams are relegated each season. It also means 10 out of 16 teams will see some form of post-season play and ensure that every team will be fighting all season, either to make the playoffs or avoid elimination.


    For ECL Pro:

    • 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Pro Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Pro Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Pro are instantly promoted and will play the season after in ECL Elite.
    • The teams finishing in spots #3 and 4 (the losers of the semi-final round) will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 (one each) from ECL Elite in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games).
    • As far as relegations go, teams that finish #15 and 16 will be instantly relegated to ECL Amateur for the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will follow the same model mentioned earlier and play two teams from ECL Amateur (one each) in a best-out-of 7 battle.
    • In summary, this means 10 out of 16 teams in ECL Pro sees some form of post-season play.

     

    For ECL Amateur:

    • 8 out of 16 teams (depending on the size of the division) will make the ECL Amateur Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Amateur Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Amateur are instantly promoted and will play the next season in ECL Pro.
    • The teams that finish in spots #3 and 4 will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 from ECL Pro in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games).
    • In summary, this means a total of 4 teams in ECL Amateur will be given the chance to advance to ECL Pro, something that we hope will be a welcome addition for all our new members looking to make their way up.

     

     

    Q: What teams will play where when the Divisional system starts up in ECL Season 4?
    We said before ECL 3 that the new format (bigger conferences, more games) was mainly for two reasons; 1. To try out the format and see what the benefits and disadvantages were and 2. To make sure all teams truly got the opportunity to distinguish themselves over a long season before we introduced divisions.

    Therefore, the teams that finish this long, grinding regular season in the Top 4 in each of the ECL 3 conferences will have guaranteed spots in ECL Elite, locking up the first 8 spots.

    The next 8 spots will be decided by the ECL 3 playoffs. This gives the remaining 24 playoff-bound teams (seeds 5-16) a chance to – outside of battling for the title in our biggest tournament yet – use the playoffs to get their hands on the final 8 spots.

    The deciding factor will be wins. Out of the 24 teams who make the playoffs but are not directly qualified for ECL Elite, the 8 who manages to collect the most playoff wins will be the ones to claim the final spots. In a situation where two or more teams have the same amount of playoff wins, the regular season rank will act as a tie-breaker. The third tie-breaker is PPG in the playoffs and the fourth is PPG in the regular season.

    This naturally means the 8 teams who aren’t directly qualified to ECL Elite and make it the farthest in the playoffs are the final 8 to be added to the top division.

    This could theoretically mean that, if there is an upset and a #16 seed beats a #1 seed right away in the first round – they could both be playing in ECL Elite the following season.

    The teams that made the playoffs in ECL 3, but didn’t make the cut for ECL Elite, will start ECL Season 4 in ECL Pro.

    Teams that do not qualify for the ECL 3 playoffs will start in ECL Amateur next season.



    Q: Can a team pause/be inactive for a season?

    In ECL Elite and ECL Pro, teams can apply to “pause” for one season (in ECL Amateur this is not necessary). This turns them into an inactive team, and they will not participate during that season. They cannot be promoted nor relegated. An inactive team is however expected to play during the following season, otherwise they will lose their current divisional spot. A need for a longer inactivity would have to be brought up with the NHLGamer staff and will be handled on a case-by-case basis.

    To fulfill the inactive status, the team needs to keep at least their captain and one assistant captain, as well as 2 other players (for a total of 4) on the inactive roster – these players are not allowed to participate with another team in said season, where the team is marked as inactive. Special cases where, for example, 6-7 players outside of the captaincy squad cannot play and will stay inactive but the Captain wants to play for another team and still keep the divisional spot will be handled on an individual basis by the staff.


    If an inactive team is not able to keep the amount of necessary players on the inactive roster (4), they will lose their inactive status and drop to division 3 for the next season.

     

     

    Q: What if teams split up? Who keeps the divisional spot?

    On NHLGamer, just like in real life, drama is to be expected. Sometimes it even finds its way into individual teams. But if teams split up, who keeps the spot?

    The staff will look at each individual case but, as a rule of thumb, the captain is considered the owner of the team.

    If a team has disagreements where, for example, the captain has lost the faith of his teammates and kicked most of them – he will have to explain his case to the staff. If both assistant captains and at least 3 other members that played for the team the season before applies ownership of the team, they will have a strong case to claim the team (however not the name of the team, unless agreed on with the captain). If a team is completely dismantled, they will not keep their spot in the division.

     


    Q: What about newly created teams that consist of established ECL players from several different teams? Do they have to start in ECL Amateur?

    To have highly skilled, established, experienced EASHL players form a new team only to play in ECL Amateur and be unevenly matched with completely new teams goes against what we’re trying to accomplish with this system. That said, we are aiming to create an environment where longevity, stability and consistency are some of the key factors moving forward. What follows is an attempt to balance these mindsets.

    Let us use a team from this season as an example; Laser HT. Laser, for those of you who don’t know, has been an established franchise in EASHL tournaments for years.

    Yet, they had not played in either ECL season 1 nor 2, but the players that today form Laser had. Many of them had even been a part of teams that made the finals, even won the tournaments. Now, ECL 3 was not based on divisions but if it had been – like in the future – Laser could have applied for Exceptional Team Status.

    This term is drawn from the OHL (Ontario Hockey League) where certain special players (lately John Tavares, Aaron Ekblad and Connor McDavid) have been granted Exceptional Player Status where they were allowed to “skip” one year of waiting to be drafted and were approved to be drafted to the OHL at age 15 instead of age 16.

    Similarly, new teams can apply for Exceptional Team Status in the ECL where they will be allowed to skip ECL Amateur and start in ECL Pro. At this point, new teams cannot apply directly for ECL Elite as it would undermine the idea of working your way up the divisions and staying there based on ECL results.


    Anyway, back to Laser. Had Laser applied the Staff would have granted them this status due to a few factors;

    • Longevity and reputation (Several top tournament finishes in their history, always considered a top team when participating)
    • Quality of players (most, if not all, players on the current Laser squad have been leading members and top point producers of teams that finished in the top-4 of both previous tournaments)
    • EASHL 6vs6 ranking (they are ranked in the Top-10 of all European teams)

     

    When deciding Exceptional status, there will always be a subjective factor involved but bullet points like the ones in the example above will form the basis of any decision made on whether to grant exceptional status or not.

     

    Finally, the term “exceptional status” is there for a reason. These applications will only be granted under very special circumstances.

     

     

    Q: Will there be an ECL Season 5? Will it be played during NHL 17? When will the leagues start for NHL 18?

    The below are subject to change, but provide an overlook of our plans and what our suggestions are for

    the upcoming leagues:

     

    NHL 17:

    • ECL Season 3 ends by 29.1.2017
    • ECL Season 4 starts 13.2.2017 and ends 2.4.2017
    • ECL Season 5 starts 24.4.2017 and ends 18.6.2017
    • Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league)

     

    NHL 18: releases 14.9.2017 (estimate)

    • ECL Season 6 starts 16.10.2017 and ends 10.12.2017
    • ECL Season 7 starts 8.1.2018 and ends 4.3.2018
    • ECL Season 8 starts 2.4.2018 and ends 27.5.2018
    • Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league)

     

     

    Q: Are you guys out of your minds? This concept/detail x will never work!

    First of all, this is a proposition that we have set up for the community and we look forward to hearing your feedback. While we have a strong belief in that the plans we propose will be a good step for the community, we don’t blindly believe our plans to be perfect (nor that there is a perfect one-solution-fits-all solution) and we are open to discuss the subject as a whole or the smaller details as long as the discussion and feedback is constructive and respectful. Please elaborate on your own ideas.

    Verbally attacking the staff, or other community members will not be tolerated and may lead to disciplinary actions.

     

     

    That is all for now. Please feel free to share any and all thoughts you might have in the comment section below.

     

    On behalf of the NHLGamer.com Staff,

     

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    10 hours ago, Billy44205 said:

    I don't have a 2-division proposal! Why woud I? My point was NEVER the point Jesus has been trying to make. If I was to implement a 2-division system I would probably implement a separate casual league on the side coz there's too many teams to make only 2 divisions and you'd have to choose to enter the competitive league or the pro league. Happy now?

    But that is NOT my fucking point. I questioned where the cutoff between D2/D3 was made. The system the staff is presenting has division size that go small / small / big and I argued that it would reflect the skill distribution more accurately with small / big / small sizes. THAT was my initial point. Then I offered leads to make the system easier to swallow from the bottom end of things.

    As for dismissing your points, no way man. I ALWAYS respect a well thought out argument. 

    By the way... Your top-guy-centric bias is showing here: You pimp D2 with arguments for disappointed D1 hopefuls. I'm not saying your arguments are not valid but it's only one side of the matter.

    I think the cutoff is fine, because keeping both elite and pro divisions fairly small will make them both competitive. Looking at the teams now Elite division will be fierce, which is fun but as I said, if you get relegated you still have a competitive fun tournament ahead of you with a clear goal of making it back to the elite division. That was my perspective for the elite team player (of which I'm not part of yet). 

    For the pro division clubs you will play in a very good league with several great teams. You have the opportunity to build a great team and charge for the top. I think a lot of pro players would prefer a chance to win that championship with a reward to the elite league instead of trying to get to the playoffs with a small chance of surviving the first round.

    The third division will hopefully be a great introduction to newer teams or teams that perhaps would do better with some practise. The ones who would be unhappy about this are teams that miss this tournament's playoffs and consider themselves a division 2 team, and yeah I can understand the feeling but then again...the whole argument falls on the fact that it's 2 months you spend there if you are good enough.

    Im a bit surprised Billy you are using arguments like I'm a D1 biased guy since you should remember our lengthy discussions back in NHL14 when we played on Xbox360 and my opinions about divisions at that time. It has not changed.

    On the contrary the same can be said about those who argue against the divisions. I bet Peacerich is playing for a team that's barely missing the playoffs. It's not a wild guess, but a fact that people argue their own cause. I wouldn't mind starting in a lower division myself, maybe that's why I find it hard to hear people (not you Billy) who's team we dominated talk about the chance to win championships.

    Edit: And no matter who's point of view you take its all just speculation. We don't know for sure a 3 or 2 division system works best and if one fail, you can switch to the other. 

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    On 12/5/2016 at 10:47 PM, Sandstrom said:

    This is interesting. I have not yet decided if I like the idea or not. But I have a question..

    Is there a though behind making it a 3 tier/3 divisions system - elite (1), pro (2) and amateur (3) instead of a 2 tier/3 divisions system - elite (1) and 2x pro (2.1 and 2.2)?

    I think that a 2 tier/3 divisions system has more benefits. The top teams can compete against each other in the top division but you shorten the way for the bottom teams to reach the top league by placing them one tier below elite. This will also make the new teams facing some better teams instead of just facing "amateurs" thus letting them grow better and faster. It would also let teams like CoG that Jesus are talking about above skip playing in the amateur league with a non amateur team.

    I do see cons with this system as well, of course. I just wanted to know the thoughts behind the decision.

    /H. Sandström

    I like this suggestion, not only because you are my teammate. = )
     

    • Keep ECL Elite division as it is
    • Scrap the ECL Amateur division
    • 2 divisions instead of 3 (ECL Elite and 2 or more groups in Pro division(should not be more than 16 teams/group))
    • Scrap the "Exceptional Team Status"(new teams need to start in Pro division instead)
    • Pro division: 16 teams in playoff instead of 8
    • Keep this one: "The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Pro are instantly promoted and will play the season after in ECL Elite."
    • Keep this one: "The teams finishing in spots #3 and 4 (the losers of the semi-final round) will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 (one each) from ECL Elite in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games)."
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    12 hours ago, Egyptologen said:

    I think the cutoff is fine, because keeping both elite and pro divisions fairly small will make them both competitive. Looking at the teams now Elite division will be fierce, which is fun but as I said, if you get relegated you still have a competitive fun tournament ahead of you with a clear goal of making it back to the elite division. That was my perspective for the elite team player (of which I'm not part of yet). 

    For the pro division clubs you will play in a very good league with several great teams. You have the opportunity to build a great team and charge for the top. I think a lot of pro players would prefer a chance to win that championship with a reward to the elite league instead of trying to get to the playoffs with a small chance of surviving the first round.

    The third division will hopefully be a great introduction to newer teams or teams that perhaps would do better with some practise. The ones who would be unhappy about this are teams that miss this tournament's playoffs and consider themselves a division 2 team, and yeah I can understand the feeling but then again...the whole argument falls on the fact that it's 2 months you spend there if you are good enough.

    Im a bit surprised Billy you are using arguments like I'm a D1 biased guy since you should remember our lengthy discussions back in NHL14 when we played on Xbox360 and my opinions about divisions at that time. It has not changed.

    On the contrary the same can be said about those who argue against the divisions. I bet Peacerich is playing for a team that's barely missing the playoffs. It's not a wild guess, but a fact that people argue their own cause. I wouldn't mind starting in a lower division myself, maybe that's why I find it hard to hear people (not you Billy) who's team we dominated talk about the chance to win championships.

    Edit: And no matter who's point of view you take its all just speculation. We don't know for sure a 3 or 2 division system works best and if one fail, you can switch to the other. 

    Fact of the matter is that a casual league covers all the points you make about division 3. In fact, it will be even more fun for casual teams. How fun will it be for newcomers to battle expierenced teams who have started over in division 3? If I understod you correctly, you also wanna get rid of the exceptional status-thingy since it destroys the idea of fair play (I agree with you). That means you wanna introduce new teams by letting them play against for example Unknown. Even teams like CoG or other teams on that level will not be a pleasent expierence for newcomers. Already established teams will always be in the top of division 3, and top division 3 teams will most likely always beat the bottom division 2 team.

    It's better for them to join a casual league and play lots of EASHL and then join div 2 when they feel ready. Division 3 will give them nothing.

    Btw, stop accusing "none playoff"-teams of pushing their own agenda. You were not happy about Billys point of only div 1 guys expressing their opinion, so don't send back the exact same message.

    I hope the staff test out the 2 division system. If the community grows and the quality gaps gets wider and more clear, then we can give 3 divisions a shot. As it is now 3 equally large divisions, don't reflect the community. It divides and punish to many teams.

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    4 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    Fact of the matter is that a casual league covers all the points you make about division 3. In fact, it will be even more fun for casual teams. How fun will it be for newcomers to battle expierenced teams who have started over in division 3? If I understod you correctly, you also wanna get rid of the exceptional status-thingy since it destroys the idea of fair play (I agree with you). That means you wanna introduce new teams by letting them play against for example Unknown. Even teams like CoG or other teams on that level will not be a pleasent expierence for newcomers. Already established teams will always be in the top of division 3, and top division 3 teams will most likely always beat the bottom division 2 team.

    It's better for them to join a casual league and play lots of EASHL and then join div 2 when they feel ready. Division 3 will give them nothing.

    Btw, stop accusing "none playoff"-teams of pushing their own agenda. You were not happy about Billys point of only div 1 guys expressing their opinion, so don't send back the exact same message.

    I hope the staff test out the 2 division system. If the community grows and the quality gaps gets wider and more clear, then we can give 3 divisions a shot. As it is now 3 equally large divisions, don't reflect the community. It divides and punish to many teams.

    Im not sure Im following you completely. You want the casual league to be separated from the elite and pro divisions? Who wants to play in the casual league? Maybe 5-8 teams? Eashl is the casual league imo. And new teams who wants to play competitive will automatically be placed in division 2? Which is gonna make that division pretty huge and uncompetitive. Sure you can make a pro division A and B. It's not a bad idea except there are lot of complications bound to arise such as what if 3 teams from elite gets relegated, in which division (group) will they play? Do you switch the teams up after each season because some ppl will definitely consider one group tougher?

    Billy deserved that message since he know me and my views and yet called me biased :) It's a manipulative argument. 

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    1 hour ago, Egyptologen said:

    Im not sure Im following you completely. You want the casual league to be separated from the elite and pro divisions? Who wants to play in the casual league? Maybe 5-8 teams? Eashl is the casual league imo. And new teams who wants to play competitive will automatically be placed in division 2? Which is gonna make that division pretty huge and uncompetitive. Sure you can make a pro division A and B. It's not a bad idea except there are lot of complications bound to arise such as what if 3 teams from elite gets relegated, in which division (group) will they play? Do you switch the teams up after each season because some ppl will definitely consider one group tougher?

    Billy deserved that message since he know me and my views and yet called me biased :) It's a manipulative argument. 

    The #14 ranked div 1 team that lost against the 3# ranked div 2 team, will take their place in div 2. The other two nailed spots will be divided 1+1. It's not a problem!

    There are several ways of forming the casual league. But the main point is that I think NHLgamer should focus on competing with EASHL in the casual gaming department. I do believe there is a market for new teams consisting of 8 irl friends who like to hang out, drink beer and have a fun time. Why not play EASHL through NHLgamer?

    But if you really want 3 divisions, why do we make the third division so big? Maybe I didn't understand things correctly, but if we for example have 60 teams for the next tournament will the spread be 16/16/28? If you ask me, since most teams in europe can compete in div 2, would it not be smarter to go with 16/32/12 or 16/32/7 if we only have 55 teams? That to me, reflects the community much more. I think the idea of having a large div 2 makes the most sense. It also makes it easier for relegated div 2 teams to get back to div 2. If you ask me, a div 3 season don't have to be as long as the season in the other two divisions. Div 3 is all about getting back to div 2. The fewer games, the better. We all know that div 3 teams usually are the first ones to leave the tournament.

    Anything else just seems like a waste.

     

     

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    1 hour ago, Egyptologen said:

    Who wants to play in the casual league? Maybe 5-8 teams?

    Well, yeah. For the first season, the turn out of teams in the casual league will probably not be that great. But compare that to the huge division 3 where no one wants to play.

    The upside with a casual league is the fact that it don't risk hurting the community the way division 3 might do.

    Also. Tokfan made a great point about a bigger division 2. 16 teams in the playoff is way more exciting than 8 playoff teams. There we have something special that makes division 2 unique in its own right. 

    Dynamic!

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    1 hour ago, Jesus said:

    The #14 ranked div 1 team that lost against the 3# ranked div 2 team, will take their place in div 2. The other two nailed spots will be divided 1+1. It's not a problem!

    There are several ways of forming the casual league. But the main point is that I think NHLgamer should focus on competing with EASHL in the casual gaming department. I do believe there is a market for new teams consisting of 8 irl friends who like to hang out, drink beer and have a fun time. Why not play EASHL through NHLgamer?

    But if you really want 3 divisions, why do we make the third division so big? Maybe I didn't understand things correctly, but if we for example have 60 teams for the next tournament will the spread be 16/16/28? If you ask me, since most teams in europe can compete in div 2, would it not be smarter to go with 16/32/12 or 16/32/7 if we only have 55 teams? That to me, reflects the community much more. I think the idea of having a large div 2 makes the most sense. It also makes it easier for relegated div 2 teams to get back to div 2. If you ask me, a div 3 season don't have to be as long as the season in the other two divisions. Div 3 is all about getting back to div 2. The fewer games, the better. We all know that div 3 will be the first to leave the tournament.

    Anything else just seems like a waste.

     

     

    Its not a problem if the groups are set. But if they are uneven...or even considered uneven then it will be a problem because then you have to switch up teams

    Assuming no more teams quit this ECL we have 16/16/19. Ofc if there are 80 teams in the future then the cutoffs need amendments.

    43 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    Well, yeah. For the first season, the turn out of teams in the casual league will probably not be that great. But compare that to the huge division 3 where no one wants to play.

    The upside with a casual league is the fact that it don't risk hurting the community the way division 3 might do.

    Also. Tokfan made a great point about a bigger division 2. 16 teams in the playoff is way more exciting than 8 playoff teams. There we have something special that makes division 2 unique in its own right. 

    Dynamic!

    So the 2nd division would not have a limit of teams? Anybody can join? So a top team thats regulated will go from fierce competition to playing these 15-0 games again. Not very good imo. 

    I really dont see the problem, sorry Jesus. If you get placed in division 3 where you "don't belong" its 2 months before you are up a division. Having 32 teams in div 2 pretty much includes all the remaining teams in this tournament. If that is the case then div 1 should be bigger but then again, no real point in divisions at all. 

     

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    6 hours ago, Egyptologen said:

    Its not a problem if the groups are set. But if they are uneven...or even considered uneven then it will be a problem because then you have to switch up teams

    Assuming no more teams quit this ECL we have 16/16/19. Ofc if there are 80 teams in the future then the cutoffs need amendments.

    So the 2nd division would not have a limit of teams? Anybody can join? So a top team thats regulated will go from fierce competition to playing these 15-0 games again. Not very good imo. 

    I really dont see the problem, sorry Jesus. If you get placed in division 3 where you "don't belong" its 2 months before you are up a division. Having 32 teams in div 2 pretty much includes all the remaining teams in this tournament. If that is the case then div 1 should be bigger but then again, no real point in divisions at all. 

     

    Right now it will be 16/16/18. However, assuming that all the remaining teams will take part in the next tournament, there will still be at least additional 5 teams. That means we will play 16/16/23. Many of the teams out of these 23 teams in divsion 3, will in fact be consisting of former div 1 and div 2 players. Because, fact of the matter is that all teams in the current top 32 will not stick together for the next tournament. Instead, lesser teams 32-40 will step in and fill in those gaps only because they decided not to form a new team. You mess things up from the gecko with such a wide divison 3 since it will be so hard to reach division 2 in the first season. Many ok team will stop trying.

    However. In a couple of tournaments, division 2 will be uneven in numbers of teams even with todays format, not least due to the exceptional status-rule since many expierenced teams will start over and ask for that status. If the staff don't want the community to die, they will have to grant more and more teams. So whether you like it or not, division 2 will be the division that grows the most. On the same note,  Division 3 will get smaller by each tournament since most people don't have the time or energy of taking part in that wasteland.

    Why not make division 2 bigger from the gecko? Whether that means 24 or 32 teams can be discussed. That way, we don't risk missing out on many teams in the craddle. This tournament had almost 60 teams from the start. We have to cherrish each and every team. Otherwise, it will be really hard to rebuild this community. It will be even harder with 3 divisions.

    I tell you dude. Division 3 will die. In the end it will be the smallest division by far, if it even will exist at all. Why not make things right from the start? I'm not a big fan of 3 divisions. However, since the staff already made up their mind about this matter, I focus on telling them this one thing. Right now, division 3 only makes sense if it's really, really small.

    Division 3 should focus on giving teams like Terrific Tigers, Elänäm Kiekko or West Coast Wasps a chance of reaching division 2.

    Not focus on teams like Company of Geeks, Baltic Sea Eagles, Ducktales or a expierenced xbox-team (this will be a missed market) that want to try out the ps4 community (pelikirja for example etc) a chance to reach division 2.

       

     

     

     

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    2 hours ago, Jesus said:

    Many of the teams out of these 23 teams in divsion 3, will in fact be consisting of former div 1 and div 2 players. Because, fact of the matter is that all teams in the current top 32 will not stick together for the next tournament. Instead, lesser teams 32-40 will step in and fill in those gaps only because they decided not to form a new team. You mess things up from the gecko with such a wide divison 3 since it will be so hard to reach division 2 in the first season. Many ok team will stop trying

    Hmm, earlier you said that div 1 and 2 players wont play in division 3, but now they will?

    Saying OK teams will give up if they fail to reach division 2 in their first try is imo just speculation. it sounds to me like division 3 will be pretty competitive, so thats nice for those teams that fail to make the playoffs this ECL. Everyone can't be successful in a competition but you make it sound like if teams are not successful they will quit. Im sure this rings true for some ppl/teams and not for others. 

    I think I've exempted my pool of arguments and I think we could go on and on back and forth, but it all comes down to in which direction you want to take this community. If you want to offer a more competitive experience for those who want it and still offer a tournament for newer or more laid back teams then I think the admins proposition is good. If you want to keep things as they have always been then I think divisions altogether is a bad idea. Some people like change, some people want things as they are, its human nature. 

    I think NHL has the potential to become a serious e-sport and not just the hobby it is today. It's a long way, but I believe the first step towards that is offering more competitive leagues. Something is not right when your average eashl game is way tougher then ECL.

    Edit: Again, just to be clear. Im not saying 16/16/infinity is the correct cutoff. Personally If I could do my own picking it would be be 12 (8 to playoffs) in Elite then 2x12 (16 to playoffs) in Pro and the rest in Div 3. 

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    Exceptional team status. Exceptional.

    Wondering how this will work. Now after this tournament you have 16 teams for elite division and 16 for pro division yet you have unknown coming in with exceptional team status. You have set elite and pro division to have 16 teams each, teams has fought hard for these spots for over 40 games. Are you going to drop one of these teams for unknown? I reckon similar things are bound to happen alot.

    Whole exceptional team status is kind of controversy. Where you are going to draw a line? Who gets accepted and who doesnt?

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    I'm not saying that unknown shouldnt be let in. Ofc they should but these things cant be decided by few people behind closed walls. There has to be rules. Is it enough that you have 1 player that has won the cup? 2 players from runner up? 4 players from semi-finalists? And in what time span? I have won 1 EHL championship in 2012(?) and if we would re-form exact same team would you let us in? I wouldnt since the game has gone a long way since then. 

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    1 hour ago, Jnmxxx said:

    Exceptional team status. Exceptional.

    Wondering how this will work. Now after this tournament you have 16 teams for elite division and 16 for pro division yet you have unknown coming in with exceptional team status. You have set elite and pro division to have 16 teams each, teams has fought hard for these spots for over 40 games. Are you going to drop one of these teams for unknown? I reckon similar things are bound to happen alot.

    Whole exceptional team status is kind of controversy. Where you are going to draw a line? Who gets accepted and who doesnt?

    The same question applies to a team taking a break for a season and returning for the next one: Will the next season be played with 17 teams or will less teams get promoted?

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    If you fear gigantic rosters then limit the roster size, i think most of the div 1teams dont want "freeloaders" in their roster 

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    14 hours ago, Egyptologen said:

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    I think NHL has the potential to become a serious e-sport and not just the hobby it is today. It's a long way, but I believe the first step towards that is offering more competitive leagues. Something is not right when your average eashl game is way tougher then ECL.

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    You're right in it being a long way, but the 'way' in this case may as well be the circumference of the earth, truly, it is that far fetched.

    No, the first step is the game actually being competitively geared. Just because you can setup up 'comp' leagues, doesn't mean it's somehow on it's way to being an esport. Why are people so hung up on this? Seriously, look at other esports and tell me with a straight face that nhl is in any way similar.

    When EA actually adds things that raise the skill ceiling, stuff like actually being able to consistently control your dude and not having the game decide to dictate where you can skate to. On top of that they should atleast attempt to punish rng based plays, then and only then can you begin to talk about esports. At the moment anyone that talks about this trash game becoming an esport just seems as though they're deluding themselves into thinking this game is something that it's not. 

     

    Edit: 'Serious esport' would put it on par with CS, LoL and Dota since they're the main ones being discussed in the general public, right? You're telling me that nhl has a chance to compete on a stage that large? You cannot be serious. 

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    48 minutes ago, MartindalexC said:

     

    You're right in it being a long way, but the 'way' in this case may as well be the circumference of the earth, truly, it is that far fetched.

    No, the first step is the game actually being competitively geared. Just because you can setup up 'comp' leagues, doesn't mean it's somehow on it's way to being an esport. Why are people so hung up on this? Seriously, look at other esports and tell me with a straight face that nhl is in any way similar.

    When EA actually adds things that raise the skill ceiling, stuff like actually being able to consistently control your dude and not having the game decide to dictate where you can skate to. On top of that they should atleast attempt to punish rng based plays, then and only then can you begin to talk about esports. At the moment anyone that talks about this trash game becoming an esport just seems as though they're deluding themselves into thinking this game is something that it's not. 

     

    Edit: 'Serious esport' would put it on par with CS, LoL and Dota since they're the main ones being discussed in the general public, right? You're telling me that nhl has a chance to compete on a stage that large? You cannot be serious. 

    *sigh*

    I did not say it was on the way of becoming an e-sport. Your rant was a waste of time. Im saying it has the potential in the future and creating a base for competitive gaming is one step among a thousand others...like the game itself getting better. 

    The game or tournaments for that matter doesnt get better by just stating everything is shit. 

    Send EA a pm instead...

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    15 hours ago, Egyptologen said:

    Hmm, earlier you said that div 1 and 2 players wont play in division 3, but now they will?

    Saying OK teams will give up if they fail to reach division 2 in their first try is imo just speculation. it sounds to me like division 3 will be pretty competitive, so thats nice for those teams that fail to make the playoffs this ECL. Everyone can't be successful in a competition but you make it sound like if teams are not successful they will quit. Im sure this rings true for some ppl/teams and not for others. 

    I think I've exempted my pool of arguments and I think we could go on and on back and forth, but it all comes down to in which direction you want to take this community. If you want to offer a more competitive experience for those who want it and still offer a tournament for newer or more laid back teams then I think the admins proposition is good. If you want to keep things as they have always been then I think divisions altogether is a bad idea. Some people like change, some people want things as they are, its human nature. 

    I think NHL has the potential to become a serious e-sport and not just the hobby it is today. It's a long way, but I believe the first step towards that is offering more competitive leagues. Something is not right when your average eashl game is way tougher then ECL.

    Edit: Again, just to be clear. Im not saying 16/16/infinity is the correct cutoff. Personally If I could do my own picking it would be be 12 (8 to playoffs) in Elite then 2x12 (16 to playoffs) in Pro and the rest in Div 3. 

    It's two different discussions. One about not having 3 divisions and one about having 3 divisions. If we do, the third division must be the smallest because to few teams will have the energy of trying to reach division 2. We can't either let already established names start over in division 3. I think there is a chance of there being quite many teams in division 3 for the first season, but after that the growth will be zero. 

    What we can learn from e-sport is that new teams emerge, often in form of a colleberation of two old teams. I have no idea how making most teams starting over in division 3 will gain competition. Every e-sport depends on new talent and new teams emerging. The system that is proposed is working against this purpose.

    Not good for competition. 

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    Hello,

    I hope I am not too late to discuss divisions. I spent some time reading all the comments here and think about this, these are my toughts. First division 3 amateur:

    I don't think 3 divisions will stop teams falling apart, drama is always there in this league as in life. And it does not stop teams from quitting before the tournament ends. It might even engourage to that in div3. All of the teams aim to go in div2? Think about teams that have worked for months to get in div2 from div3 and if they think in the middle of the tournament they won't make it. So much furstration, try next time in 3 months to play in the division they want to play? Why even try to finish? What they have to lose in div3 they dont even want to play in? I think there will be highest amount of quits in div3 that has ever been in a tournament. Who wants that? Let's be honest here, nobody wants to play in div3 and I think that is a huge problem as we can't stop the drama in teams. New teams will always come and go. Why punish them? Why is a new team so bad thing, if they want to make a new team let them. Why kill their ECL dreams by putting them in div3, where nobody wants. It will be really hard to create a new team if you have to start from div3, who wants to go play there if you have option to go in higher div as free agent. Divisions will create more drama in teams because now when some teams players want to go different ways, there will be fights who keeps the team in higher div, who has to go free agency and who has to create new team in div3, which might mean quitting ECL rather than playing in div3. I think every team who wants to play ECL wants to play competitive and play against better teams. If not I think EASHL is the right place for them, not ECL. We should not change ECL to be more pleasant for teams that do not want to play against the best teams.

    Division 2 pro:

    I think divisions 2 and 3 should be combined as div2. New teams start always from div2. Teams would be in groups, every season groups would be divided evenly by last season standings. There would be as many groups as needed. For example 30 teams in div2 = 2 groups, 45 teams = 3 groups. Total of 16 best teams from groups would go in the playoffs. After playoffs #1 goes to div1 elite and #16 of elite relegation to div2. #2-4 of div2 would play best of 7 series against elite #13-15 for elite spots for next season.

    Division 1 elite:

    It's good to have division 1. #16 straight relegation and #13-15 has to play best of 7 against relegation.

    I personally play for Kattiautomaatti and we have to play in div2 in next ECL and I think we deserved it. We did not play as good as we should or as good as we can play. We will try to get back in div1 elite playoffs. So I am not playing in div1 and I am not against divisions. I am not playing in div3 amateur but I am still strongly against div3. I only see more cons than pros in it. We can't stop players making new teams and we should not punish players for that. I think it is only bad for this community. Feel free to comment this post.

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    I like the 3 divisions system

    Elite - 16 teams, 8 to playoffs
    Pro - 20 teams, 16 to playoffs
    Challengers - X amount of teams and 16 to playoffs.

    16 to playoffs in pro is better than 8 imo because then you have to fight till the very end of the season. Adding 4 slots to pro encourages that. Also there's more than 16 "pro" teams. There's just enough room for 20 in my opinion.

    Other than that I like the whole idea of 3 division and I much rather play against opponets on my level than huge Pro division with walkover opponents.
    I'm going to play in the 2nd or 3rd division depending on my team so I'm not really biased on this. Elite should stay as it is.

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