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    Introducing - ECL Divisions

    Hello NHLGamers,

     

    It’s been rumored, it’s been talked about… we even hinted at it earlier during the season but tonight we are finally making the official announcement: moving forward after ECL 3, the European Championship League will take on a skill and merit-based divisional format. This is your post to find out everything about this new system and the next step in Online Competitive EASHL gaming before it is launched in ECL 4.


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    Divisions
    First thing’s first, the divisions. The idea behind creating these divisions will be expanded upon in the text but the short version is this:

    We are continually working to improve the site, the leagues and the overall NHLGamer experience for everyone. Some might say this development process is moving too slow and does not reach far enough, some might say the website is expanding in ways that it should not. The community is special in many ways, not just because parts of it has stayed together for years (including previous websites, the community is now more than half a decade old) but also because it is continually expanding. NHLGamer has almost doubled its membership in less than a year while still maintaining its core, which is all of you in the community.

    It creates a tough balancing act when trying to create a fun place for EASHL rookies that want to experience the thrill of playing competitively for the first time while trying to give the hardened tournament veterans what they want, which is the best tournament possible where the stakes are high and winner takes all.

    Still, in an attempt to achieve this, we will be creating a divisions system where the hope is that teams will be better matched against each other – something we hope will lead to tighter games, more fun for everyone involved all the while creating a stronger foundation for the tournament to stand on. Our hope is also that more teams will be inclined to stay together and build longer lasting franchises.

    We’ve structured this post so that we should be able to answer as many of your questions as possible by getting to them one by one – a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) if you will. This FAQ will be available for future reference when the actual division based leagues come around.

    Despite this, if you feel something is unclear or just plain weird, feel free to sound off in the comment section with questions like: “Well, what if this happens..?” and we will do our best and elaborate.

     

    Let’s get to it:


    Q: How many divisions will there be?
    The short answer is 3 – a total of 3 separate divisions. The longer answer is that we set off to create an environment where all the top teams face off in the prestigious ECL Elite, up and coming franchises battle with veteran teams in the competitive ECL Pro and all newly entered or learning teams start off in ECL Amateur to hone their skills.

    This prevents teams with years of experience and chemistry from numerous EASHL competitions,  from facing off with teams new to the site who are just learning what it takes to play EASHL at the ECL level.



    Q: How many teams will there be in each division?
    We are looking at a total of 16 teams for ECL Elite, 16 teams for ECL Pro and, depending on the amount of registrations, 16-24 (or more) teams in ECL Amateur.

    The goal is to keep ECL Elite and ECL Pro consistently the same size (16 teams each), which means if teams completely drop out of the division system or inactive teams return (read on), there will be balancing measures - meaning increased amounts of promotions or relegations. During extraordinary circumstances, ECL Pro can deviate from its 16-team baseline but ECL Elite has a hard cap of 16 teams. This part, much like inactive teams, is specified further down in the text.

    In case ECL Amateur sees an extraordinary amount of registrations, the staff will then decide if the division can be split up into two “conferences” (like ECL 3) or if registrations will have to be closed for the tournament in question. As a rule of thumb, we always do our best to include all registered teams in our leagues, as long as it’s reasonable.


    Q: How many games will there be in a season?
    The amount of games will, as per usual, be 2 games against each opponent – meaning 30 games (15 opponents) each season for ECL Elite & ECL Pro and somewhere around the same for ECL Amateur depending on the amount of teams.

    This ensures lean, hard-fought seasons with what we hope is the perfect amount of games – you get a sense of both the regular season grind while at the same time reaching the playoff threshold in just 5 short weeks: this by playing 3 opponents per week, just like during the last few seasons.


    Q: How will promotion and relegation work?
    First off, we will have promotions and relegations. Having closed divisions is not something we are considering at the moment so we are going with the European hockey model where teams can be both promoted and relegated in the different divisions.

    For ECL Elite:

    • 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Elite Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The teams that finish #15 and 16 in ECL Elite will instantly be relegated and play in ECL Pro the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will not be instantly relegated, but will have to play two teams (one each) from ECL Pro in a Best of 7- ECL Relegation/Promotion Round.
    • Teams that finish in places 9-12 will not play in the playoffs nor be subject to relegation.
    • In summary, this means a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 teams are relegated each season. It also means 10 out of 16 teams will see some form of post-season play and ensure that every team will be fighting all season, either to make the playoffs or avoid elimination.


    For ECL Pro:

    • 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Pro Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Pro Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Pro are instantly promoted and will play the season after in ECL Elite.
    • The teams finishing in spots #3 and 4 (the losers of the semi-final round) will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 (one each) from ECL Elite in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games).
    • As far as relegations go, teams that finish #15 and 16 will be instantly relegated to ECL Amateur for the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will follow the same model mentioned earlier and play two teams from ECL Amateur (one each) in a best-out-of 7 battle.
    • In summary, this means 10 out of 16 teams in ECL Pro sees some form of post-season play.

     

    For ECL Amateur:

    • 8 out of 16 teams (depending on the size of the division) will make the ECL Amateur Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Amateur Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Amateur are instantly promoted and will play the next season in ECL Pro.
    • The teams that finish in spots #3 and 4 will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 from ECL Pro in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games).
    • In summary, this means a total of 4 teams in ECL Amateur will be given the chance to advance to ECL Pro, something that we hope will be a welcome addition for all our new members looking to make their way up.

     

     

    Q: What teams will play where when the Divisional system starts up in ECL Season 4?
    We said before ECL 3 that the new format (bigger conferences, more games) was mainly for two reasons; 1. To try out the format and see what the benefits and disadvantages were and 2. To make sure all teams truly got the opportunity to distinguish themselves over a long season before we introduced divisions.

    Therefore, the teams that finish this long, grinding regular season in the Top 4 in each of the ECL 3 conferences will have guaranteed spots in ECL Elite, locking up the first 8 spots.

    The next 8 spots will be decided by the ECL 3 playoffs. This gives the remaining 24 playoff-bound teams (seeds 5-16) a chance to – outside of battling for the title in our biggest tournament yet – use the playoffs to get their hands on the final 8 spots.

    The deciding factor will be wins. Out of the 24 teams who make the playoffs but are not directly qualified for ECL Elite, the 8 who manages to collect the most playoff wins will be the ones to claim the final spots. In a situation where two or more teams have the same amount of playoff wins, the regular season rank will act as a tie-breaker. The third tie-breaker is PPG in the playoffs and the fourth is PPG in the regular season.

    This naturally means the 8 teams who aren’t directly qualified to ECL Elite and make it the farthest in the playoffs are the final 8 to be added to the top division.

    This could theoretically mean that, if there is an upset and a #16 seed beats a #1 seed right away in the first round – they could both be playing in ECL Elite the following season.

    The teams that made the playoffs in ECL 3, but didn’t make the cut for ECL Elite, will start ECL Season 4 in ECL Pro.

    Teams that do not qualify for the ECL 3 playoffs will start in ECL Amateur next season.



    Q: Can a team pause/be inactive for a season?

    In ECL Elite and ECL Pro, teams can apply to “pause” for one season (in ECL Amateur this is not necessary). This turns them into an inactive team, and they will not participate during that season. They cannot be promoted nor relegated. An inactive team is however expected to play during the following season, otherwise they will lose their current divisional spot. A need for a longer inactivity would have to be brought up with the NHLGamer staff and will be handled on a case-by-case basis.

    To fulfill the inactive status, the team needs to keep at least their captain and one assistant captain, as well as 2 other players (for a total of 4) on the inactive roster – these players are not allowed to participate with another team in said season, where the team is marked as inactive. Special cases where, for example, 6-7 players outside of the captaincy squad cannot play and will stay inactive but the Captain wants to play for another team and still keep the divisional spot will be handled on an individual basis by the staff.


    If an inactive team is not able to keep the amount of necessary players on the inactive roster (4), they will lose their inactive status and drop to division 3 for the next season.

     

     

    Q: What if teams split up? Who keeps the divisional spot?

    On NHLGamer, just like in real life, drama is to be expected. Sometimes it even finds its way into individual teams. But if teams split up, who keeps the spot?

    The staff will look at each individual case but, as a rule of thumb, the captain is considered the owner of the team.

    If a team has disagreements where, for example, the captain has lost the faith of his teammates and kicked most of them – he will have to explain his case to the staff. If both assistant captains and at least 3 other members that played for the team the season before applies ownership of the team, they will have a strong case to claim the team (however not the name of the team, unless agreed on with the captain). If a team is completely dismantled, they will not keep their spot in the division.

     


    Q: What about newly created teams that consist of established ECL players from several different teams? Do they have to start in ECL Amateur?

    To have highly skilled, established, experienced EASHL players form a new team only to play in ECL Amateur and be unevenly matched with completely new teams goes against what we’re trying to accomplish with this system. That said, we are aiming to create an environment where longevity, stability and consistency are some of the key factors moving forward. What follows is an attempt to balance these mindsets.

    Let us use a team from this season as an example; Laser HT. Laser, for those of you who don’t know, has been an established franchise in EASHL tournaments for years.

    Yet, they had not played in either ECL season 1 nor 2, but the players that today form Laser had. Many of them had even been a part of teams that made the finals, even won the tournaments. Now, ECL 3 was not based on divisions but if it had been – like in the future – Laser could have applied for Exceptional Team Status.

    This term is drawn from the OHL (Ontario Hockey League) where certain special players (lately John Tavares, Aaron Ekblad and Connor McDavid) have been granted Exceptional Player Status where they were allowed to “skip” one year of waiting to be drafted and were approved to be drafted to the OHL at age 15 instead of age 16.

    Similarly, new teams can apply for Exceptional Team Status in the ECL where they will be allowed to skip ECL Amateur and start in ECL Pro. At this point, new teams cannot apply directly for ECL Elite as it would undermine the idea of working your way up the divisions and staying there based on ECL results.


    Anyway, back to Laser. Had Laser applied the Staff would have granted them this status due to a few factors;

    • Longevity and reputation (Several top tournament finishes in their history, always considered a top team when participating)
    • Quality of players (most, if not all, players on the current Laser squad have been leading members and top point producers of teams that finished in the top-4 of both previous tournaments)
    • EASHL 6vs6 ranking (they are ranked in the Top-10 of all European teams)

     

    When deciding Exceptional status, there will always be a subjective factor involved but bullet points like the ones in the example above will form the basis of any decision made on whether to grant exceptional status or not.

     

    Finally, the term “exceptional status” is there for a reason. These applications will only be granted under very special circumstances.

     

     

    Q: Will there be an ECL Season 5? Will it be played during NHL 17? When will the leagues start for NHL 18?

    The below are subject to change, but provide an overlook of our plans and what our suggestions are for

    the upcoming leagues:

     

    NHL 17:

    • ECL Season 3 ends by 29.1.2017
    • ECL Season 4 starts 13.2.2017 and ends 2.4.2017
    • ECL Season 5 starts 24.4.2017 and ends 18.6.2017
    • Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league)

     

    NHL 18: releases 14.9.2017 (estimate)

    • ECL Season 6 starts 16.10.2017 and ends 10.12.2017
    • ECL Season 7 starts 8.1.2018 and ends 4.3.2018
    • ECL Season 8 starts 2.4.2018 and ends 27.5.2018
    • Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league)

     

     

    Q: Are you guys out of your minds? This concept/detail x will never work!

    First of all, this is a proposition that we have set up for the community and we look forward to hearing your feedback. While we have a strong belief in that the plans we propose will be a good step for the community, we don’t blindly believe our plans to be perfect (nor that there is a perfect one-solution-fits-all solution) and we are open to discuss the subject as a whole or the smaller details as long as the discussion and feedback is constructive and respectful. Please elaborate on your own ideas.

    Verbally attacking the staff, or other community members will not be tolerated and may lead to disciplinary actions.

     

     

    That is all for now. Please feel free to share any and all thoughts you might have in the comment section below.

     

    On behalf of the NHLGamer.com Staff,

     

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    10 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:

    So instead you want that next season, 2 of elite category teams destroy pro division and 2 pro division teams are punchbags in elite division? I for example dont believe that would be the case since #15-#18 teams skill gap isnt that wide but you seem to think so?

    Just speculating here, picking 16 teams with the best PPG for Elite right now:

    Written in the Stars
    Northern Stars
    Finnish Roosters
    X Factor
    Dynasty
    Nordic Blizzard
    Refuse to Lose
    White Trash
    Aapon Taikasauva
    Laser HT
    SIKA
    MUKIMIEHET
    Synergy Hockey
    Northern Ascendancy
    Nordic Lightning
    Nordic Nightmare

    Pro teams looking for promotion would include Sjukstugan, Fat Cats, Alliance HT etc.

    Looking through the teams, the skill gap between the worst teams in Elite and the best teams in Pro is minimal and in some cases might even favor the Pro teams. Again, I'm just speculating here, but going through that list I could definitely pick at least two teams that - barring some big transfers - would get relegated 99% of the time. So I guess what i'm saying is that the promotion/relegation without a playoff is fine, but I would like to see that kind of qualification round implemented anyhow.

     

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    4 minutes ago, BUM3R said:

    Can u imagine that some top players wouldnt re-create a teams so they would have to battle from 3rd division?! Just an opinion

    Some of "top players" seem to create team after every tournament, either way.

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    3 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    Well since your asking me for my opinion.  I dont believe there are more than 12 truly elite teams. Bottom 4 Elite and Top 4 Pro doesnt have much of a skillgap. Which is why it makes sense having all of those 8 teams involved in promotion/demotion.

    Well, looks like Viktor said what I was trying to say while I was typing my message. :D

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    10 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:

    For example i wouldnt. I play in a team with full of players i want to play with. If we get promoted to elite division i wouldnt change a thing and to be honest, who would? Isnt that sign of good players and team play if you manage to reach the elite division?

    But maybe that is difference between me and you, you like to sell your friends for "succes".

    And is it any different if they get promoted straight or through series?

    I'm the perfect example of someone who dosen't sell his friends for "succes" lol.

    Dude. Reality is. Most division 1 teams will have gigantic rosters. Most of these players will be inactive during seasons. But when a new div 2 team arrives, they will see their chance to get some playing time.

    This is what will happen. Of course new div 1 teams will add a lot of new good players to their team. You live in this fantasy world, where you think good players wanna play in div 2 or 3.

    Already today we can see it. Most teams active haven't sticked together from the begining. It's teams consisting of different constellations.

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    1 minute ago, Jesus said:

    I'm the perfect example of someone who dosen't sell his friends for "succes" lol.

    Dude. Reality is. Most division 1 teams will have gigantic rosters. Most of these players will be inactive during seasons. But when a new div 2 team arrives, they will see their chance to get some playing time.

    This is what will happen. Of course new div 1 teams will add a lot of new good players to their team. You live in this fantasy world, where you think good playerswanna play in div 2 or 3.

    Already today we can see it. Most teams active haven't sticked together from the begining. It's teams consisting of different constellations.

    I still cant see how it would be different if teams get promoted straight or through series?

    I get your point and i agree with you but this has nothing to do with my posts whatsoever.

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    11 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:

    I still cant see how it would be different if teams get promoted straight or through series?

    I get your point and i agree with you but this has nothing to do with my posts whatsoever.

    A series is unfair, since division 1 teams have a better pool of players to choose from. This does also apply to div 2 and 3. How is my team filled with otp-player suppose to compete against a higher division team in a series on a fair level?

    I think that is reason enough to skip the idea of a series. If you win or get second in your division, you have earned your spot in a higher division. The natural progression of this, is that you also will be able to attract better players in the new division.

    This is not a problem. However, it is a problem for a lot of for example, div 2 players. Many players taking part in the sucess of a div 2 team reaching the highest division, will not get any playing time in the highest division. They will get replaced and stop playing. The same goes for new div 2 teams.

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    14 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:

    This is something i can agree with you. And by the way if we would put those 12 "elite" teams in regular season, there would still be few punching bags who would most likely finish the tournament only with few wins.

    earlier when i mentioned punching bags i ment teams that suffer one blowout loss after another. i Doubt that will be the case here. 

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    22 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    A series is unfair, since division 1 teams have a better pool of players to choose from. This does also apply to div 2 and 3. How is my team filled with otp-player suppose to compete against a higher division team in a series on a fair level?

    I think that is reason enough to skip the idea of a series. If you win or get second in your division, you have earned your spot in a higher division. The natural progression of this, is that you also will be able to attract better players in the new division.

    This is not a problem. However, it is a problem for a lot of for example, div 2 players. Many players taking part in the sucess of a div 2 team reaching the highest division, will not get any playing time in the highest division. They will get replaced and stop playing. The same goes for new div 2 teams.

    Unfair? Is it fair to #15 and #16 teams that they go straight to lower division without the chance to prove that they are infact better and more suitable to elite division than pro division #1 and #2?

    If you cant win the damn series your team doesnt belong with the big dogs.

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    Gigantic rosters? Just because they would have chance to part of Elite team's roster, with playing 0 games? 8-10 is normal roster, what is gigantic?

    The problem here is not that huge. It'll be just like it is today. Feels like the problem is that you (or other bottom teams) dont have easy road no more to the Top league, to play in the league where everyone wants to play.

    Most of your arguments around your point of view (low tier team) dont convince me at all.

    @Jnmxxx has a fair point here but I think playing 30 regular season games (5 week time period) would be enough to solve that where you belong to. @cHIIMEERa said it well: that would bring Divisions more closed than they will be with this system. This brings more hunger and victory feeling to teams who go far in Div2 & Div3 playoffs.

    I mean seriously, if you're last in 30-game season, it's time to give someone else the chance.

    For an example, if SIKA plays very bad Elite season and Sjukstugan plays big in Div2 by winning the whole Pro league, I'd say they deserve the place in the Elite and we would need to shake things up to be better next season.

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    I'm not going to argue on this subject anymore since i feel that we are not going anywhere in this conversation. I'm sure everybody got my point and i understand your point so i guess we just have to agree to disagree.

    Once more, its stupid :)

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    4 minutes ago, Jnmxxx said:

    Unfair? Is it fair to #15 and #16 teams that they go straight to lower division without the chance to prove that they are infact better and more suitable to elite division than pro division #1 and #2?

    If you cant win the damn series your team doesnt belong with the big dogs.

    Look at the bigger picture here. You will not be able to build a good team in division 3. Yet to get the hell out of there, you have to not only win the division but also win a bo7-series, only to be able to start building your team. 

    If your #15 or #16 you don't belong with the big dogs. 

    People have to understand what the consequence of divisions is. It means a divided league with most players flocking to the top division. The lowest division will be completely dead of talent. A wasteland, if you so will. 

    I want two divisions because a lot of talent will stay in both divisions since instead of huge rosters in div 1, many players will start over in division 2. That way new teams and new collaborations will emerge. 

     

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    3 minutes ago, Jesus said:

     

    If your #15 or #16 you don't belong with the big dogs. 

     

    I exited this conversation already but i have to ask, what makes you think that #17 and #18 belongs with big dogs more?

    Because thats what they are. Pro division 1 and 2 really are just #17 and #18 unless proven otherwise = relegation series.

    But now, please dont quote me on subject. It's harder than i thought to stop arguing this and to be honest its not even that big of a deal if theres straight promotions or not.

    And i agree with you, 3 divisions is too many at this current state of the community. Maybe in future.

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    @Jnmxxx The auto-relegated spot raises the stakes of the points race in the regular season for bottom teams in higher divisions. Can't you trade a little bit of competitiveness (and really as has been exposed, that bit is so little that it might not even exist at all) for some extra excitement? It's also a reward for teams that suffer through entier lower division reason and playoffs win. I think it's fine to give a guaranteed spot (or 2 as it is described but I think 1 would be better, anyway same principle).

    On a side note I quite dislike the top-player-centric turn this discussion seems to be taking. Also, I feel like the valid points I make are being drwoned in petty quarrels, that's not cool.

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    3 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

    @Jnmxxx The auto-relegated spot raises the stakes of the points race in the regular season for bottom teams in higher divisions. Can't you trade a little bit of competitiveness (and really as has been exposed, that bit is so little that it might not even exist at all) for some extra excitement? It's also a reward for teams that suffer through entier lower division reason and playoffs win. I think it's fine to give a guaranteed spot (or 2 as it is described but I think 1 would be better, anyway same principle).

    On a side note I quite dislike the top-player-centric turn this discussion seems to be taking. Also, I feel like the valid points I make are being drwoned in petty quarrels, that's not cool.

    Well it took only about 10 posts that somebody could give me a valid reason why the auto relegation is a good thing. Thanks for that and maybe 1 spot would do the trick?

    I haven't thought it that way

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    14 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

    On a side note I quite dislike the top-player-centric turn this discussion seems to be taking.

     

    Please do elaborate.

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    35 minutes ago, vSilenttio said:

    Gigantic rosters? Just because they would have chance to part of Elite team's roster, with playing 0 games? 8-10 is normal roster, what is gigantic?

    The problem here is not that huge. It'll be just like it is today. Feels like the problem is that you (or other bottom teams) dont have easy road no more to the Top league, to play in the league where everyone wants to play.

    Most of your arguments around your point of view (low tier team) dont convince me at all.

    @Jnmxxx has a fair point here but I think playing 30 regular season games (5 week time period) would be enough to solve that where you belong to. @cHIIMEERa said it well: that would bring Divisions more closed than they will be with this system. This brings more hunger and victory feeling to teams who go far in Div2 & Div3 playoffs.

    I mean seriously, if you're last in 30-game season, it's time to give someone else the chance.

    For an example, if SIKA plays very bad Elite season and Sjukstugan plays big in Div2 by winning the whole Pro league, I'd say they deserve the place in the Elite and we would need to shake things up to be better next season.

    It's not about creating a easy road. It wouldn't be easier for us to reach division 1 even if we were placed in division 2. However, it would be easier to build a team. And it would also save a lot of time and energy.

    I think that every member of a division 3 team, with some sort of ambition to become better will agree with me.

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    Top team (JUST 1 - Winner of Pro div) are going to play in Elite Div! 2nd team playing with 15th(if there is 16) from Elite div - Best of seven!

     

    Simply -

    Winner secures their place in Elite division, others have to battle!

    PS - Motivation ;)

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    1 hour ago, Jesus said:

    Dude. Reality is. Most division 1 teams will have gigantic rosters. Most of these players will be inactive during seasons. But when a new div 2 team arrives, they will see their chance to get some playing time.

    This is what will happen. Of course new div 1 teams will add a lot of new good players to their team. You live in this fantasy world, where you think good players wanna play in div 2 or 3.

    Already today we can see it. Most teams active haven't sticked together from the begining. It's teams consisting of different constellations.

    Dont you think divisions is a good incentive for teams to stick together?

    If what you are saying is true then a two division system would be fatal since ALL the top players would play in division 1 and it would be even more impossible for a division 2 club to attract players. ECL is a competitive tournament but with 3 divisions hopefully new clubs will find it easier to approach the tournament and doesn't get discouraged so easily and teams that don't "belong" there needs 2 months. I don't get why you say a year.

    I know every club is different and maybe our problem is specific to Synergy but we have huge problems playing these tournaments with 30 teams in the group. I'm not even sure we would be able to continue playing ECL if the group stage was this long every tournament. It kills the activity for regular eash-nights.

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    @cHIIMEERa Ok. Well for the last few posts the discussion was about how best to decide the bottom 2 spots in Division 1. Also, the great majority of contributions to the discussion comes from D1 bound teams and that's less than representative of what the community thinks (although I have always suspected that this is a big gathering of sheep so maybe you are indeed the only guys who care about anything, but I digress...). It's too easy to promote a system where you don't suffer from any of its downsides. It's too easy to say "I get it you're mad" and leave out the "but please bite the bullet so I can have the best time for my top guy self". It's too easy to discard comments as coming from bitter low division people. Look at Silenttio's  reply to Jesus it reads like "You wanna be in D1, tough shit dude".

    I have never mentioned agreeing with Jesus's crusade here but I do agree with him that some voices from the bottom would be welcome. They will make out the biggest portion of the new league after all. And I'm repeating myself, but the bottom guys should NOT be the biggest portion, it should be the middle guys. Whatever, FML.

    @Jnmxxx You're welcome.

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    6 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

    Also, the great majority of contributions to the discussion comes from D1 bound teams and that's less than representative of what the community thinks (although I have always suspected that this is a big gathering of sheep so maybe you are indeed the only guys who care about anything, but I digress...). It's too easy to promote a system where you don't suffer from any of its downsides. It's too easy to say "I get it you're mad" and leave out the "but please bite the bullet so I can have the best time for my top guy self". It's too easy to discard comments as coming from bitter low division people. Look at Silenttio's  reply to Jesus it reads like "You wanna be in D1, tough shit dude".

    Huh...interesting. You are pretty much dismissing the arguments based on what teams we belong to.

    We know we are not representing the whole community and we know Jesus is not either. But it's up to anyone to discuss the matter no one here can force other members to voice their opinions although I also would like to hear them. 

    We are also mostly discussing your point of view. We have barely discussed the fact that it is boring for those of us who keep spending a lot of time with this game to be faced with newly started teams (veterans or newcomers) every tournament. In my opinion I think the Pro division will be competitive...this is important to make teams stick. If you fail to reach the elite or gets relegated you will still have a very competitive tournament/season ahead of you.

    I would like to hear your proposition for the two division system though

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    I still haven´t quiet figured out why we need this change to begin with?

    Why not just keep it the way it is with most teams having something to play for the entire season and were every single team at least in theory has got the chance to win the cup?

    Having a league like this you will, when its free, have quiet alot of teams dropping out and not being serious enough, and this is how it is right now. I just dont get how we could ever get rid of this or make this problem less of a problem by making a division system. I´ve said this a few time but I´ll say it again, make us pay to be in the league if anything, this would probably solve 90% of the problems with teams leaving WO, not showing up etc.

    Just have a look at the current standing, 52 teams total and like 45 teams still have something to play for. With this division system I just cant see how it will be possible to be anywhere near those numbers.

    How motivated will like 10 out of the 16 teams in the pro division be to play when they cant win the whole thing, not even in theory? How motivated will the punching bags in elite and pro be to play the last 10 games when they cant stay up? How motivated will the middle teams in pro be to play when they not that its very unlikely that they will get promoted? How motivated will people be to play when the best thing that can happen is that they get promoted and has got a chance to win by starting from scratch in a higher division in several months? We are simply just cutting the community down quiet alot, most teams in the league will never have the chance to go up and take a swing at the absolute best out there. Most teams and players are more or less getting exluded. Would FIFA (they actual fifa) lose or benifit from going from a 32 team world cup to a world cup of only 8 teams? Sure, that tournament would be fucking amazing but it more or less excludes everyone from participating which more or less kills they whole thing.

    I doubt I dont speak for myself when I say that my personal intrest for this community more or less crashed overnight due to this.

    Its not like we have 1000s of teams were the difference is huge between the best and the worst. 

    If we for some reason want this division top division system just make a short tournament in the end of every NHLXX with the top teams from that year (all ECL incl) and play last tournament for the best teams only or something if its so damn important to rank teams.

     

     

     

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    42 minutes ago, Egyptologen said:

    We are also mostly discussing your point of view. We have barely discussed the fact that it is boring for those of us who keep spending a lot of time with this game to be faced with newly started teams (veterans or newcomers) every tournament. In my opinion I think the Pro division will be competitive...this is important to make teams stick. If you fail to reach the elite or gets relegated you will still have a very competitive tournament/season ahead of you.

    I would like to hear your proposition for the two division system though

    I don't have a 2-division proposal! Why woud I? My point was NEVER the point Jesus has been trying to make. If I was to implement a 2-division system I would probably implement a separate casual league on the side coz there's too many teams to make only 2 divisions and you'd have to choose to enter the competitive league or the pro league. Happy now?

    But that is NOT my fucking point. I questioned where the cutoff between D2/D3 was made. The system the staff is presenting has division size that go small / small / big and I argued that it would reflect the skill distribution more accurately with small / big / small sizes. THAT was my initial point. Then I offered leads to make the system easier to swallow from the bottom end of things.

    As for dismissing your points, no way man. I ALWAYS respect a well thought out argument. 

    By the way... Your top-guy-centric bias is showing here: You pimp D2 with arguments for disappointed D1 hopefuls. I'm not saying your arguments are not valid but it's only one side of the matter.

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    In my opinion this would be a big step forward. Good job! Only thing that I've been wondering would it be better if that draft cup would be organized as the first tournament after release of each new NHL game because it would be possibly easier to find new players at that time. 

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    Another thing I would like to add is I don't get the love for the longevity of teams. Sure, I guess it has a certain romantic aspect to it, but players create new teams to up their competitiveness, and to leave teams with bad chemistry either on or off the ice. I'm not sure how implementing a system where creating a new team is discouraging is supposed to increase the competitiveness of the league. Just something to keep in mind. :ph34r:

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    What if team that finish in spot 1..4 but refuses to go up to next Division ?  I mean if there may be some teams that will rather be a big fish in a small pond.

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    @tbnantti If I could like your post 10 times I would. Encouraging team longevity is at the core of the division system presented here and I have never believed in that thing. This is the fundamental point of contention I have with Kenu's vision.

    That's the second time I like a post of yours today, after the ECL wishlist post about fearing that the division system would cater only to top guys.

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    44 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

    @tbnantti If I could like your post 10 times I would. Encouraging team longevity is at the core of the division system presented here and I have never believed in that thing. This is the fundamental point of contention I have with Kenu's vision.

    That's the second time I like a post of yours today, after the ECL wishlist post about fearing that the division system would cater only to top guys.

    Yes, I know, I am very smart. 

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    Great to see that you're limiting season length to 8 weeks in the future =)

    Becouse I think that actually matters the most when our goal is to reach enjoyable and competive leagues for as many as possible.

    IMO ecl 2 was way better format than ecl3 this year. Since ECL2 was such an intense tournament and not many did walk away during it.

     

    I don't really have an strong opinion about them divisions but I do hope that them players who still want to compete against them best will get their shot for it.

    I also wish that casual gamers/teams could have their own tournaments if they're not even trying to reach the Elite division.

     

    And big thanks for NHLgamer staff and whole community of these tournaments that already have been played.

    NHLgamer is doing great job by offering NHL EASHL scene platform like this to establish teams to faceoff each other on the ice in league games =)

     

    Sincerely,

    kjkj

     

     

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