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    Introducing - ECL Divisions

    Hello NHLGamers,

     

    It’s been rumored, it’s been talked about… we even hinted at it earlier during the season but tonight we are finally making the official announcement: moving forward after ECL 3, the European Championship League will take on a skill and merit-based divisional format. This is your post to find out everything about this new system and the next step in Online Competitive EASHL gaming before it is launched in ECL 4.


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    Divisions
    First thing’s first, the divisions. The idea behind creating these divisions will be expanded upon in the text but the short version is this:

    We are continually working to improve the site, the leagues and the overall NHLGamer experience for everyone. Some might say this development process is moving too slow and does not reach far enough, some might say the website is expanding in ways that it should not. The community is special in many ways, not just because parts of it has stayed together for years (including previous websites, the community is now more than half a decade old) but also because it is continually expanding. NHLGamer has almost doubled its membership in less than a year while still maintaining its core, which is all of you in the community.

    It creates a tough balancing act when trying to create a fun place for EASHL rookies that want to experience the thrill of playing competitively for the first time while trying to give the hardened tournament veterans what they want, which is the best tournament possible where the stakes are high and winner takes all.

    Still, in an attempt to achieve this, we will be creating a divisions system where the hope is that teams will be better matched against each other – something we hope will lead to tighter games, more fun for everyone involved all the while creating a stronger foundation for the tournament to stand on. Our hope is also that more teams will be inclined to stay together and build longer lasting franchises.

    We’ve structured this post so that we should be able to answer as many of your questions as possible by getting to them one by one – a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) if you will. This FAQ will be available for future reference when the actual division based leagues come around.

    Despite this, if you feel something is unclear or just plain weird, feel free to sound off in the comment section with questions like: “Well, what if this happens..?” and we will do our best and elaborate.

     

    Let’s get to it:


    Q: How many divisions will there be?
    The short answer is 3 – a total of 3 separate divisions. The longer answer is that we set off to create an environment where all the top teams face off in the prestigious ECL Elite, up and coming franchises battle with veteran teams in the competitive ECL Pro and all newly entered or learning teams start off in ECL Amateur to hone their skills.

    This prevents teams with years of experience and chemistry from numerous EASHL competitions,  from facing off with teams new to the site who are just learning what it takes to play EASHL at the ECL level.



    Q: How many teams will there be in each division?
    We are looking at a total of 16 teams for ECL Elite, 16 teams for ECL Pro and, depending on the amount of registrations, 16-24 (or more) teams in ECL Amateur.

    The goal is to keep ECL Elite and ECL Pro consistently the same size (16 teams each), which means if teams completely drop out of the division system or inactive teams return (read on), there will be balancing measures - meaning increased amounts of promotions or relegations. During extraordinary circumstances, ECL Pro can deviate from its 16-team baseline but ECL Elite has a hard cap of 16 teams. This part, much like inactive teams, is specified further down in the text.

    In case ECL Amateur sees an extraordinary amount of registrations, the staff will then decide if the division can be split up into two “conferences” (like ECL 3) or if registrations will have to be closed for the tournament in question. As a rule of thumb, we always do our best to include all registered teams in our leagues, as long as it’s reasonable.


    Q: How many games will there be in a season?
    The amount of games will, as per usual, be 2 games against each opponent – meaning 30 games (15 opponents) each season for ECL Elite & ECL Pro and somewhere around the same for ECL Amateur depending on the amount of teams.

    This ensures lean, hard-fought seasons with what we hope is the perfect amount of games – you get a sense of both the regular season grind while at the same time reaching the playoff threshold in just 5 short weeks: this by playing 3 opponents per week, just like during the last few seasons.


    Q: How will promotion and relegation work?
    First off, we will have promotions and relegations. Having closed divisions is not something we are considering at the moment so we are going with the European hockey model where teams can be both promoted and relegated in the different divisions.

    For ECL Elite:

    • 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Elite Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The teams that finish #15 and 16 in ECL Elite will instantly be relegated and play in ECL Pro the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will not be instantly relegated, but will have to play two teams (one each) from ECL Pro in a Best of 7- ECL Relegation/Promotion Round.
    • Teams that finish in places 9-12 will not play in the playoffs nor be subject to relegation.
    • In summary, this means a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 teams are relegated each season. It also means 10 out of 16 teams will see some form of post-season play and ensure that every team will be fighting all season, either to make the playoffs or avoid elimination.


    For ECL Pro:

    • 8 out of 16 teams will make the ECL Pro Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Pro Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Pro are instantly promoted and will play the season after in ECL Elite.
    • The teams finishing in spots #3 and 4 (the losers of the semi-final round) will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 (one each) from ECL Elite in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games).
    • As far as relegations go, teams that finish #15 and 16 will be instantly relegated to ECL Amateur for the following season. Teams that finish #13 and 14 will follow the same model mentioned earlier and play two teams from ECL Amateur (one each) in a best-out-of 7 battle.
    • In summary, this means 10 out of 16 teams in ECL Pro sees some form of post-season play.

     

    For ECL Amateur:

    • 8 out of 16 teams (depending on the size of the division) will make the ECL Amateur Playoffs where the Top 8 teams start off in quarterfinals, then proceed to semi-finals and finally the ECL Amateur Finals where the league winner will be crowned.
    • The top two teams (finalists) of ECL Amateur are instantly promoted and will play the next season in ECL Pro.
    • The teams that finish in spots #3 and 4 will then move on to face teams #13 and 14 from ECL Pro in the Relegation/Promotion Round (7 games).
    • In summary, this means a total of 4 teams in ECL Amateur will be given the chance to advance to ECL Pro, something that we hope will be a welcome addition for all our new members looking to make their way up.

     

     

    Q: What teams will play where when the Divisional system starts up in ECL Season 4?
    We said before ECL 3 that the new format (bigger conferences, more games) was mainly for two reasons; 1. To try out the format and see what the benefits and disadvantages were and 2. To make sure all teams truly got the opportunity to distinguish themselves over a long season before we introduced divisions.

    Therefore, the teams that finish this long, grinding regular season in the Top 4 in each of the ECL 3 conferences will have guaranteed spots in ECL Elite, locking up the first 8 spots.

    The next 8 spots will be decided by the ECL 3 playoffs. This gives the remaining 24 playoff-bound teams (seeds 5-16) a chance to – outside of battling for the title in our biggest tournament yet – use the playoffs to get their hands on the final 8 spots.

    The deciding factor will be wins. Out of the 24 teams who make the playoffs but are not directly qualified for ECL Elite, the 8 who manages to collect the most playoff wins will be the ones to claim the final spots. In a situation where two or more teams have the same amount of playoff wins, the regular season rank will act as a tie-breaker. The third tie-breaker is PPG in the playoffs and the fourth is PPG in the regular season.

    This naturally means the 8 teams who aren’t directly qualified to ECL Elite and make it the farthest in the playoffs are the final 8 to be added to the top division.

    This could theoretically mean that, if there is an upset and a #16 seed beats a #1 seed right away in the first round – they could both be playing in ECL Elite the following season.

    The teams that made the playoffs in ECL 3, but didn’t make the cut for ECL Elite, will start ECL Season 4 in ECL Pro.

    Teams that do not qualify for the ECL 3 playoffs will start in ECL Amateur next season.



    Q: Can a team pause/be inactive for a season?

    In ECL Elite and ECL Pro, teams can apply to “pause” for one season (in ECL Amateur this is not necessary). This turns them into an inactive team, and they will not participate during that season. They cannot be promoted nor relegated. An inactive team is however expected to play during the following season, otherwise they will lose their current divisional spot. A need for a longer inactivity would have to be brought up with the NHLGamer staff and will be handled on a case-by-case basis.

    To fulfill the inactive status, the team needs to keep at least their captain and one assistant captain, as well as 2 other players (for a total of 4) on the inactive roster – these players are not allowed to participate with another team in said season, where the team is marked as inactive. Special cases where, for example, 6-7 players outside of the captaincy squad cannot play and will stay inactive but the Captain wants to play for another team and still keep the divisional spot will be handled on an individual basis by the staff.


    If an inactive team is not able to keep the amount of necessary players on the inactive roster (4), they will lose their inactive status and drop to division 3 for the next season.

     

     

    Q: What if teams split up? Who keeps the divisional spot?

    On NHLGamer, just like in real life, drama is to be expected. Sometimes it even finds its way into individual teams. But if teams split up, who keeps the spot?

    The staff will look at each individual case but, as a rule of thumb, the captain is considered the owner of the team.

    If a team has disagreements where, for example, the captain has lost the faith of his teammates and kicked most of them – he will have to explain his case to the staff. If both assistant captains and at least 3 other members that played for the team the season before applies ownership of the team, they will have a strong case to claim the team (however not the name of the team, unless agreed on with the captain). If a team is completely dismantled, they will not keep their spot in the division.

     


    Q: What about newly created teams that consist of established ECL players from several different teams? Do they have to start in ECL Amateur?

    To have highly skilled, established, experienced EASHL players form a new team only to play in ECL Amateur and be unevenly matched with completely new teams goes against what we’re trying to accomplish with this system. That said, we are aiming to create an environment where longevity, stability and consistency are some of the key factors moving forward. What follows is an attempt to balance these mindsets.

    Let us use a team from this season as an example; Laser HT. Laser, for those of you who don’t know, has been an established franchise in EASHL tournaments for years.

    Yet, they had not played in either ECL season 1 nor 2, but the players that today form Laser had. Many of them had even been a part of teams that made the finals, even won the tournaments. Now, ECL 3 was not based on divisions but if it had been – like in the future – Laser could have applied for Exceptional Team Status.

    This term is drawn from the OHL (Ontario Hockey League) where certain special players (lately John Tavares, Aaron Ekblad and Connor McDavid) have been granted Exceptional Player Status where they were allowed to “skip” one year of waiting to be drafted and were approved to be drafted to the OHL at age 15 instead of age 16.

    Similarly, new teams can apply for Exceptional Team Status in the ECL where they will be allowed to skip ECL Amateur and start in ECL Pro. At this point, new teams cannot apply directly for ECL Elite as it would undermine the idea of working your way up the divisions and staying there based on ECL results.


    Anyway, back to Laser. Had Laser applied the Staff would have granted them this status due to a few factors;

    • Longevity and reputation (Several top tournament finishes in their history, always considered a top team when participating)
    • Quality of players (most, if not all, players on the current Laser squad have been leading members and top point producers of teams that finished in the top-4 of both previous tournaments)
    • EASHL 6vs6 ranking (they are ranked in the Top-10 of all European teams)

     

    When deciding Exceptional status, there will always be a subjective factor involved but bullet points like the ones in the example above will form the basis of any decision made on whether to grant exceptional status or not.

     

    Finally, the term “exceptional status” is there for a reason. These applications will only be granted under very special circumstances.

     

     

    Q: Will there be an ECL Season 5? Will it be played during NHL 17? When will the leagues start for NHL 18?

    The below are subject to change, but provide an overlook of our plans and what our suggestions are for

    the upcoming leagues:

     

    NHL 17:

    • ECL Season 3 ends by 29.1.2017
    • ECL Season 4 starts 13.2.2017 and ends 2.4.2017
    • ECL Season 5 starts 24.4.2017 and ends 18.6.2017
    • Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league)

     

    NHL 18: releases 14.9.2017 (estimate)

    • ECL Season 6 starts 16.10.2017 and ends 10.12.2017
    • ECL Season 7 starts 8.1.2018 and ends 4.3.2018
    • ECL Season 8 starts 2.4.2018 and ends 27.5.2018
    • Summer Cup specifics to be determined. (This is a draft-type league)

     

     

    Q: Are you guys out of your minds? This concept/detail x will never work!

    First of all, this is a proposition that we have set up for the community and we look forward to hearing your feedback. While we have a strong belief in that the plans we propose will be a good step for the community, we don’t blindly believe our plans to be perfect (nor that there is a perfect one-solution-fits-all solution) and we are open to discuss the subject as a whole or the smaller details as long as the discussion and feedback is constructive and respectful. Please elaborate on your own ideas.

    Verbally attacking the staff, or other community members will not be tolerated and may lead to disciplinary actions.

     

     

    That is all for now. Please feel free to share any and all thoughts you might have in the comment section below.

     

    On behalf of the NHLGamer.com Staff,

     

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    "Hello my name is Jesus. Do you want to come and play RW with our division 3 club?"

    Will be quite the challenge to find some good players for CoG lol

    OTP-free agent market it is, I guess ...

    Not a fan

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    Hello, me again.

    I have a question. In what way will having 3 divisions empowering new or lesser teams to become better? 

    How are division 3 team suppose to get better from this? I'm afraid that it will be really hard to find good players in division 3. And even if you find one, it will be hard to keep them with the argument "play with us ... you get to play competitive in half a year".

    What is your thoughts? To me, this more looks like you want to close the league.

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    I wrote a reply regarding this in the old thred. 

    In a world where we got paid doing this and it was a PRO community it would be one thing, for the super teams I guess it will not matter at all but for the teams that are top 25 and worse I just cant see what is good with this.

    If this was something that "we" had to do I would have wanted to see a playoff system were every team, regardless of division, could win the whole torunament. For example that the playoff winner in ECL Pro and ECL Amateur would clash in a best of 7 qualifier to get playoff spot number 8 in ECL Elite. 

    Pretty sure we will see way more teams breaking up mid season and so on due to this, especially when its free to play, which is insane to begin with.

     

     

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    This is interesting. I have not yet decided if I like the idea or not. But I have a question..

    Is there a though behind making it a 3 tier/3 divisions system - elite (1), pro (2) and amateur (3) instead of a 2 tier/3 divisions system - elite (1) and 2x pro (2.1 and 2.2)?

    I think that a 2 tier/3 divisions system has more benefits. The top teams can compete against each other in the top division but you shorten the way for the bottom teams to reach the top league by placing them one tier below elite. This will also make the new teams facing some better teams instead of just facing "amateurs" thus letting them grow better and faster. It would also let teams like CoG that Jesus are talking about above skip playing in the amateur league with a non amateur team.

    I do see cons with this system as well, of course. I just wanted to know the thoughts behind the decision.

    /H. Sandström

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    In general - quite happy about the overall look of the upcoming division system.

    I'm glad that you didn't ignore the feedback on the promotion/relegation system and the fact that new teams simply can't fast-track their way straight to the Elite without playing a single season. Also whilst I'm not a big fan of making such delicate decisions come down to personal opinions, I understand the need for such exceptions and the fact that looking at it on case-by-case basis is probably the best approach to the whole situation.

    Bring on ECL 4!

    Edit: Also to the people who are concerned about teams dropping out - there have always been multiple teams abandoning the tournaments mid-season, regardless of the regulations. It's safe to say that some will also drop with the new rules in place. Does that mean they're a failure? In my opinion - not at all. With this system in place there will be less blowout games and pretty much everyone participating will have something to fight for against teams of similar skill.

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    55 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    What is your thoughts? To me, this more looks like you want to close the league.

    Wait. There's big chance to earn your place in the better league - not only once a year but three times per one NHL-game and you use word "closed". Uhh...

    Dont get me wrong. I understand your point of view here but these arguments you're trying to build around it are not matching with the ultimate point. 

    Great news for our growing community. C'mon boys!

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    3 minutes ago, vSilenttio said:

    Wait. There's big chance to earn your place in the better league - not only once a year but three times per one NHL-game and you use word "closed". Uhh...

    Dont get me wrong. I understand your point of view here but these arguments you're trying to build around it are not matching with the ultimate point. 

    Great news for our growing community. C'mon boys!

    This is not only about me. Only representing someone who isn't part of a div 1 team. But yes of course. It dosen't feel very nice to be able to play div 1 hockey until october 2017. That is, if there isn't any setbacks and if one can assamble a team. Because like I said earlier, how easy will it be for new teams in div 3 to build something for the future with all the good players going to higher divisions? 

    Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of divisions in a sense. However, I don't see why we need 3 divisions. If bad teams wanna play against other bad teams, why not open up a casual league for them to join? Problem solved. Why punish a lot of ok teams? Division 3 will not be enjoyable for anyone.

    If we wanna raise the bar for division 2 even further, we can have "play ins" to the division. That way we only get ambitious teams. Point is. There is a lot of good suggestions to use, instead of this pointless system that only takes up peoples time and energy.

     

     

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    Do not name the third division "amateur". A whole lot of experienced players will have to start out in that div. Spare them some dignity, they're not amateurs :P

    Regarding the division system: Not a day to soon. Great news!

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    Can someone explain the pros of division 3, that a casual league for anyone who just want to have a fun time can't deliever? You can of course have a playoff and a winner in a casual league, but don't see the point of making this part of the division system.

    In fact. A free league would benefit bad teams even more since they would have more fun and more even competetion.

    I'm happy to listen, but I haven't heard any good arguments yet, to be honest.

    Will stop spamming now

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    10 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    Dont name the third division "amateur". A whole lot of experienced players will have to start out in that div. Spare them some dignity, they're not amateurs :P

    Regarding the division system: Not a day to soon. Great news!

    Haha.

    Well, thing is no experenced player will play in division 3. This is a great miscalculation from the staff.

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    @Jesus, I get it mostly, but how it's going to be different with top players playing only in top divisions. When this have happened before? When some superstar player has just decided to get some low tier team to the playoffs, or anything like that? Unknown did it with NOR but Unknown didn't have full team that season, and "half" of them got NOR to next level. Cool story but not the one we're looking for here. They could still make stories like this happen though.

    When I think these things, I always think how this and that guy from that team would feel about this.

    I just see big opportunity here to other teams earn their spots with the big boys, and make name for themselves by playing. Building the team - if they're new - learning the game and still playing against better teams in EASHL. That's how you get better, that's how you practice. Playing two league-games per season against some good teams is nothing compared to grinding EASHL - odds are pretty bad for the new team anyways if they would play in the Div2 with second biggest dogs in the world.

    C'mon guys. For once, try to think three divisions positively. These days there are so many good teams around that there will be tough teams and players in Div2 next season, for sure.

    Why we shouldn't have everybody abroad? I cant see the big problem here. Sure, bad teams will play in Div3, okay, so what, thats logical right? If/when some "good" team gets relegated to 3div, I think they are in the right spot then as some other more hungry teams have battled for spot in the 2div, and earned it.

    Less scaring of things changing and more competing. Period.

    And @cHIIMEERa, I think they have amateur leagues, teams and players in real life as well and they're not mad about what their called of.

    How about Platinum, Gold and Silver championships? I know right... :ph34r:

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    Jesus, I like you...but common, you guys havent been playing for a long time. Cog used to be a top team, but you're not anymore and its because you havent been playing the game. This system benefits the ones who put time and effort into playing. I dont see what is wrong with that. I don't know if Synergy will be in the Elite division, but if not, Im looking forward to getting there. 

    I also dont get this idea that you need to recruit top players to become a top team. I bet you didnt consider Drunken Rebels a top team when we stepped onto the scene? Well Synergy is a merge between old synergy and Drunken and I dont think the Drunken players are worse. You get better by practising and playing. You also get worse by not playing which your team is a perfect example of. Sorry that sounded more harsh than I meant...but you get the point.

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    I hope we could get some new opinions here. C'mon everyone, now it's your time to say something if you're not happy with things that NHLGamer is doing. 

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    16 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    Haha.

    Well, thing is no experenced player will play in division 3. This is a great miscalculation from the staff.

    You will most likely play in div 3. Would you say you're not experienced? 

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    14 minutes ago, vSilenttio said:

    How about Platinum, Gold and Silver championships? I know right... :ph34r:

    Cmon man we're not playing Mobas here. Släpp sargen ;)

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    6 minutes ago, Egyptologen said:

    Jesus, I like you...but common, you guys havent been playing for a long time. Cog used to be a top team, but you're not anymore and its because you havent been playing the game. This system benefits the ones who put time and effort into playing. I dont see what is wrong with that. I don't know if Synergy will be in the Elite division, but if not, Im looking forward to getting there. 

    I also dont get this idea that you need to recruit top players to become a top team. I bet you didnt consider Drunken Rebels a top team when we stepped onto the scene? Well Synergy is a merge between old synergy and Drunken and I dont think the Drunken players are worse. You get better by practising and playing. You also get worse by not playing which your team is a perfect example of. Sorry that sounded more harsh than I meant...but you get the point.

    It's not like I'm here suggesting CoG should be in Div 1. Believe or not, but i'm being objective here and I do want this community to do well. However, I fear few new teams will have the energy to go through div 3 only to reach div 2.

    This is a monumental problem in many ways. For example. We have many div 1 teams that will stop playing together after one or two tournaments. Some members of those teams will of course find new div 1 teams. But some members of those teams gonna wanna start something new and fresh from scratch.

    Now. If they only had to go back one division, that would be a possibility. But now with 3 divisions in place, what will happen instead is the fact that they will stop playing all together.

    3 divions is not good for activity. Not even for top teams.

     

     

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    I think that if the expansion of ECL teams follows that of NHLGamer users in any sort of way, you'll soon get half of the teams in the "amateur" division. I myself am not necessarily against the 3 division system but I think the middle division should have the most players, not the bottom division. Now yuou can discard my observation as trying to get myself into Division 2, and I guess it's also true, but I really do feel that there is a small-ish amount of top teams, a small-ish amount of bad teams, and the majority is average and so if the goal of division is to separate teams by playing ability the middle should be biggest.

    Also, I certainly don't speak for the whole community by any means but at least if, in the event that we try to bring back CoG, we're slotted in the bottom division, what is likely gonna happen is we won't be able to recruit good players and as a result we will not take part in the tourney. Maybe Jesus can join some team but I'm pretty sure Raixor and I will just "retire". To be honest I'm thinking about quitting this ECL given the unlikelyhood of my current club reaching playoffs because what's the point anymore? If I'm gonna retire anyway after this why would I suffer through the end of this fucking grind of a tournament we are currently playing? So while the jury is still out on whether this division system will grow the community, there will be at least one casualty of the system...

    ...Which is ironic since I've been championning a division system since forever ago. Oh well, you know what they say... FML.

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    13 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    You will most likely play in div 3. Would you say you're not experienced? 

    Don't think so to be honest. It will be impossible to build a team in div 3. And this goes for a lot of ok teams. Instead, what will happen is that some members of these teams will find new teams in div 1 or 2.

    The rest will stop playing.

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    @Jesus, @Billy44205 you're dissapointed, i get it. To be fair though, your record in ECL3 is currently 16-27-1  and the line has to be drawn somewhere. All you can do is show the community and mostly yourselves where you belong by getting promoted in the first go of division 3. Like i said earlier, its not like you will be alone in this situation

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    1 minute ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    @Jesus, @Billy44205 you're dissapointed. i get it. To be fair though, your record in ECL3 is currently 16-27-1  and the line has to drawn somewhere. All you can do is show the community where you belong by getting promoted in the first go of division 3. Like i said earlier, its not like you will be alone trying.

    You don't seem to get the point tho. CoG should be in the lowest division. The point is, there should only be two divisions.

    Also, div 3 will die in a couple of seasons, mark my words. No teams will start over, and the teams relegated to div 3 will stop playing and it will also be harder to attract new teams.

    Get rid of it. Let's play with 2 divisions, and a free standing league for teams who just want to have a fun time.

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    Also.

    Would it not be easier to get rid of division 3 so there's no need for this exceptional status-thingy? I don't get it.

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    19 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    The point is, there should only be two divisions.

    This is where our opinion differs mate.

    A whole lot of mediocre teams will more or less always be the punching bags of the tournament as the format is now.

    A 3 division format would give all these teams some sort of realistic yet still very much competetive meaning and purpose.  Heck i would even  watch a BO7 series between a top div 3 team and a bottom div 2 just to see what team gets promoted. Man that shit is thrilling :).  Those same 2 teams playing against eachother in a "bigger division 2" groupstage (Billy mentioned grind)? Not nearly as interesting. Oh well, im not trying to talk anyone over. Of course people are gonna have different opinions about this. Im sure it will turn out fine in the end. PISS OUT!

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    This is a bit ridiculous. People who havent been playing the game are now saying -No I cant do two months in division 3, I'll retire.

    Its not the end of the world if you are placed in a lower division. Play for 2 months and move up.

    Anyone who are not willing to build their franchise for more than 2 months don't really get what Kenu and the straff is trying to build. And those of you who end up in division 3 and feel you don't deserve to be there. Im sure the problem is not that you cant recruit players but the fact that you havent played the game enough...which luckily has a quick fix :) 

     

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    2 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    This is where our opinion differs mate.

    A whole lot of mediocre teams will more or less always be the punching bags of the tournament as the format is now.

    A 3 division format would give all these teams some sort of realistic yet still very much competetive meaning and purpose.  Heck i would even  watch a BO7 series between a top div 3 team and a bottom div 2 just to see what team gets promoted. Man that shit is thrilling :).  Those same 2 teams playing against eachother in a "bigger division 2"? Not as interesting. Oh well, im not trying to talk anyone over. Of course people are gonna have different opinions about this. Im sure it will turn out fine in the end

    Well, it may sound exciting. But the punching bags will also be the punching bags in div 3. They will not be able to compete. You can see it today. Teams placed 16-22 in each group crush the so called punching bags. If division 3 was smaller, then yes perhaps we could get some excitment going.

    Fact of the matter is that more than half the teams in division 3, will be good enough to play in division 2. To me, for these teams to play in div 3 just sounds like a giant waste of time. Also dangerous because these teams will lose interest.

    Not good for the community.

    But yeah, we have different opinions of course and we see things in different ways. However, in this case, I do believe my prediction are correct. For me, the only exciting thing about divisions is the gap between div 1 and 2 - just as in real life.

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    16 minutes ago, Egyptologen said:

    This is a bit ridiculous. People who havent been playing the game are now saying -No I cant do two months in division 3, I'll retire.

    Its not the end of the world if you are placed in a lower division. Play for 2 months and move up.

    Anyone who are not willing to build their franchise for more than 2 months don't really get what Kenu and the straff is trying to build. And those of you who end up in division 3 and feel you don't deserve to be there. Im sure the problem is not that you cant recruit players but the fact that you havent played the game enough...which luckily has a quick fix :) 

     

    Fact of the matter is that every team that today don't have a complete roster and are placed in divison 3, will be forced to trade mediocre players to the team and hope for the best.

    First when you reach division 2, will one be able to start building something consistent.

    I think this a weird way of playing in a tournament.

    Also to be honest. I think it's weird that some teams will get a pass based on a subjective opinion from the staff, while other will be forced to go the long way. This wouldn't be the case with only two divisions. It would be fair competition.

    Also, I wanna make it clear that this is not about CoG. Even if we were placed in div 2, I wouldn't be happy about this system.

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    @Egyptologen Spare me your patronizing speech. I don't owe this website anything, and disagreeing is not the same as not understanding. I thought you of all people would know that I have the highest level of understanding of what Kenu is going for, I just disagree with him on a fundamental level, and on a technical level.

    My point is not even the same as Jesus's so what about my point? Are there more bad teams than average teams?

    Anyway, I'm still mildly glad a division system is tried. As I said before I've been one of the most vocal proponents of this. It's just bittersweet how things turn out for my personal case. It's like  when Frodo says at the grey haven "We set out to save the Shire and it has been saved, but not for me". That's a Lord of the Rings reference, kids. Goodnight.

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    37 minutes ago, Jesus said:

    Fact of the matter is that every team that today don't have a complete roster and are placed in divison 3, will be forced to trade mediocre players to the team and hope for the best.

    Also to be honest. I think it's weird that some teams will get a pass based on a subjective opinion.

    Or practise. If you are a division 3 club then maybe you are right that it will exclude some players from joining...but will also open up spots for newcomers. Teach them, practise, get better. 

    I don't like subjective opinions at all when it comes to placing teams in divisions, seeding groups or whatever so I agree with you.

    55 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

    @Egyptologen Spare me your patronizing speech. I don't owe this website anything, and disagreeing is not the same as not understanding. I thought you of all people would know that I have the highest level of understanding of what Kenu is going for, I just disagree with him on a fundamental level, and on a technical level.

    My point is not even the same as Jesus's so what about my point? Are there more bad teams than average teams?

    I didn't mean to patronize but you guys sound like its an eternity to be placed in division 3. When the fact is that neither you or Jesus have been very active for a long time. So 2 months is nothing. 

    And we are still just debating your side of it as one of the better division 3 teams. When creating divisions someone will feel they deserve to be higher up in the rank. And in that case they get to prove it during 2 months :)

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    You can do everything what you  want in these "division" or no divisions the endresult wouldbe same as last tries, but if you go while a back "EHL" and there was a 2x20teams group and 16 did go to playoffs in both sides it was actually pretty nice in that way and all played to the end. (yeah i understand that we need still division),You dont have to be a sherlock if you guys thinked that this 30teams group willwork and  all teams would play to end off regular season.. well i gues you were wrong  again. Then we go to the this new(old) division system 16 teams and 8 goes to Poffs = is total hit to the face of this community. Still dont get why you have to make it all new systems to this after all a little community and now i think you just make it  more little. Were are not even a close of those biggames like CS:GO, etc.  and still you trying to make this something like that in this system. its not possiple with this community side. I think you guys just make a idiotic choise and you make this "ecl" community just smaller and we all will see that again. My conclusion  = this will falldown hard and you wrecked half of this year game. (i hope im wrong)

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