ECL 12 Qualifiers Info

Thought it would be obvious that ALL free Pro spots would be in qualifiers. Part of the reason i was okay giving away my teams Pro spot was that someone who actually deserving it would get it through qualifiers. RIP. (No offence to any team getting a free spot, all are great, but still🤷‍♂️)

The idea of qualifications was good and it is necessary, but the execution for this season fails and I understand that a lot of it has to do with what was originally said to be the rules. I understand that you have stick with those for this season even though it would be clear already that those rules need a lot of fixing.

I agree with Mikka on many parts. I do not think that any unforeseen spots caused by teams disbanding should be filled automatically. Those should be filled by qualification. Also I dont think that announcing this midlastseason is any kind of a real issue even though it stings some teams, but everyone was surely trying to finish their best anyway? I dont see an issue with new wildcard teams getting a chance for qualification. Do we really wanna throw new teams created by elite and top pro players end up in Core or Lite? Who does that benefit, it would only ruin those divisions for everyone.

I agree though that it looks bad that some teams fire everyone except the captain to get to a higher qualification. Would be hard to enforce any rule to prevent that though because any rule could be circumvented by simply the captain changing the name of the team and making someone else the captain and then its a whole new team.
 

There was no mention originally about wildcard teams having to qualify for the qualifiers and I believe information about this was given to the teams at a very late moment and with a very short notice and that should be handled a lot better.

There were different demands to apply for ecl12 lite qualifiers than ecl13- lite qualifiers which were way tougher for ecl12. I found that very puzzling when considering that the number of the wildcard teams are the same for both. Ecl12 lite qualifiers actually has way more teams than starting ecl13-. And now only 44 teams participate in the lite qualifiers even though it was supposed to be 64. So many teams will disband from lite and higher every season that I wonder how messy will that make the current rules look in the future lite qualifiers.

The biggest thing for the future is definitely not filling the spots of disbanded teams automatically.

  

3 hours ago, Bjono said:

What about the wildcards then? Have a club for a week and play the same qualification as 12th seed in PRO. 
is that unfair? 
 

promote the teams that do a good season instead of holding on to the ones who didnt made it. Its just the open spots. And then we still have the qualification.

As I stated in the last article about ECL 12 - Imo, there is no fairness in having wildcard teams. If you disband, then you officially give up your spot and automatically fall down the ladder. It's that simple. But then there is the question of how far you shall fall? Well, since Elite and Pro are the most competitive tiers, would it be strange to fall down to Lite/Core/Neo? Imo, not at all. I think that disbanding teams is a huge issue for the divisional system since it disrupts the "flow" of the relegations and promotions quite a lot and thus needs repercussions. With disbanding, I mean officially stating that you are not going to compete in a tournament with that particular team or it ceases to exist. Changing names and most of the roster is another issue for another day. No disrespect to the teams duking it out in the wildcard battle, many of them are highly skilled and would give even the best of teams a run for their money. But it's just not fair that you can scrap together a team (hypothetically) on a weeks notice and just run into a Pro-qualifier when you already have teams in line, that has had decent seasons in the lower tier. As I also earlier said, by doing it this way, the communitys feeling of a teams skill seems to outweigh the performance of last season. Promoting the next eligible teams in line from the lower tier? Well, that's like pissing on someone and pretending that it's raining. Why not just place them in the qualifiers? If this logic continues to the next season, a bottom Pro-team would have an equal chance of qualifying to Pro just by not playing this tournament and get a Wildcard-spot for the next tournament. No schedualing issues or playing during the summer, ez game ez life. But as stated in previous articles, this is a one-time deal with the qualifiers so this can't happen right?

3 hours ago, MaciPapi said:

We understand if the timeline as per now is too short but there are some options still and there is still time for some changes that would result in more fairness with less frustration and dissatisfaction.

A. Add these Lite teams to the Qualifier and put them to a fair test. A 25 team Qualifier would take maybe 1 week extra than planned. This would mean 12 spots to Pro out of the 25 team Qualifier.

B. If 25 team Qualifier is to big and take too long time. Let the highest Pro seeded teams from the Qualifiers get those open Pro spots and replace them in the Qualifiers with the 5 Lite teams. This would feel more fair and you'd have time until next ECL to overhaul these Qualifer rules and it's flow.

Thank you!

And if we had more time:

C. No wildcards and Qualifiers for bottom Pro and all eligible Lite-teams (including the ones that are now promoted). Wildcards placed in Lite

2 hours ago, Mikka said:

Also I don't personally get the complaints about how this was announced mid-season, I mean I'd like to think that everyone wants to achieve the highest finish possible no matter what, so I don't see how an earlier heads-up would've solved anything. I do understand that the teams affected might feel upset about getting this unpleasant surprise so late, but be honest if you would've finished higher due to the fear of a relegation battle instead of the hunger to get into the playoffs, you're doing something wrong.

Fair point and I agree to some extent, but imo I think you should't change the pre-conditions of a tournament when there is merely 3 rounds left, it's just poor judgement.

But as I search around for the divisional framework and in particular the info regarding relegation in ECL 11, I only see this side note:
*Note: The divisions are still a work-in-progress and NHLGamer reserves the right to adjust the divisions as necessary.

Is that referring to this upcoming qualifier or have I missed some info in any of the previous articles?

Edited April 12, 2021 by minokin

2 hours ago, Mikka said:

Lite teams being higher seeded than the Pro teams also means that at least I, personally, would in the "real" qualifier format prefer to be the 13th rank in Pro instead of 12th. "Why is that?", you may ask. Well, in the format that's going to be in use starting next season, the only difference to the seedings I posted above is that Pro bottom4 will be directly replaced with top4 of core. --> the 12th and 14th placed Pro teams will be in the same group with each other, meanwhile the 13th place teams will be the lone Pro teams in their groups, as seen below.

I haven't had enough sleep to think about how this could be solved or even if I'm the only one thinking like this, but I'll just drop this here. I thought I commented about this on the original article but it appears I didn't, so sorry for the late feedback

Thanks for this @Mikka.

For clarity, the below discussion concerns ECL 13 - not the upcoming season.

Also, the below are my own interpretations that have not been verified and represent only my personal thoughts.

My interpretation of the groups would be as follows, with the 12th Pro teams being the ones not to have other Pro teams in the groups.

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ECL 13 hypothetical Pro Qualifier groups based on current structure:

Group 1

#1 Pro 12th

#8 Lite 5th

#12 Lite 9th

#16 Core 4th

#20 WILDCARD

Group 2

#2 Pro 12th

#7 Lite 4th

#11 Lite 8th

#15 Core 3rd

#19 WILDCARD

Group 3

#3 Pro 13th

#6 Pro 15th

#10 Lite 7th

#14 Core 2nd

#18 WILDCARD

Group 4

#4 Pro 13th

#5 Pro 14th

#9 Lite 6th

#13 Core 1st

#17 WILDCARD

 

Thus the 13th placed team would indeed face another Pro-team, right? Or am I misinterpreting you?  

 

42 minutes ago, imosi said:

On a personal level I also see it a bit odd, that the captain is enough to ”own” the team and its enough to keep the team spot. Just kick the whole team and get new players in after a ”bad” season? I dont think that is the key for a good success in a long run. 

How would you personally formulate the team ownership rule? 

 

1 hour ago, imosi said:

Unfortunately this isnt anything new and this has happened before every new ecl season.  This is why need these new ideas and systems. 

However at the moment the ”new system” is maybe a bit too confusing and hard to understand.

Or maybe im just dumb😬..

Haha, you're not dumb. It's a pretty hefty package to comprehend, while simultaneously needing all of those details to cover a lot of things and "dumbing it down" could risk the integrity of the text. But note taken, if there are options to make an easier to digest version.

54 minuter sedan, Bjono säger:

@Mikka i really cant see that those other 4 teams (maybe we are) worse than the bottom PRO teams so i wouldn´t be to worried about the quality tbh. 

Also dont forget things like the differens of recruiting players as a lite team compared to PRO teams.. And if an open spot appeared i would easily vote for the top 4/128 teams in the lite season to get it. They are not worse and deserve a promotion imo.

If the quality are that high in the bottom of pro they will make the qualification easy so no harm done. But it cant be to impossible to get a promotion and it also cant be that harsh to have to play a qualification in you are on that spot after a whole season. 

It's just that your team doesn't deserve a spot in PRO without qualification (but I really understand why you and imosi are fighting about it, cuz you got it for free) compared with SSK who almost reached the playoffs in PRO and NOW needs to battle for their spot. 

It makes no fucking sense that a team in LITE who needed 10 more wins to even win the LITE division getting a spot for free in a higher division when a team who almost reached the playoffs in the higher division needs to fight for the spot in a qualification to even stay there. 

It's fucked up for real. 

I would love to see you guys fight about this PRO spot vs Royal HT and their "Elite" roster. 

But once again, congratz.

 

5 minuuttia sitten, iSvamp kirjoitti:

It's just that your team doesn't deserve a spot in PRO without qualification (but I really understand why you and imosi are fighting about it, cuz you got it for free) compared with SSK who almost reached the playoffs in PRO and NOW needs to battle for their spot. 

It makes no fucking sense that a team in LITE who needed 10 more wins to even win the LITE division getting a spot for free in a higher division when a team who almost reached the playoffs in the higher division needs to fight for the spot in a qualification to even stay there. 

It's fucked up for real. 

I would love to see you guys fight about this PRO spot vs Royal HT and their "Elite" roster. 

But once again, congratz.

 

Did you read my comment at all? I am personally against free spots. I dont think any of the "free spot" teams are specially proud of getting promoted this way.  We didnt make the rules, so I think your comments "blaming" us for getting a promotion is a bit strange..

Edited April 12, 2021 by imosi

1 timme sedan, Kenu säger:

Does everyone agree that in the future (from season 13), every free spot - both default and unforeseen - should be made be available through the qualifiers? For clarity, I am not referring to the instant promotion spots that are available through finishing top 3 in Lite etc.

Nope! from now. You can can still change it. Do the right thing from the start if you already can see that this is wrong and that it will be changed in the future. 

7 minuter sedan, imosi säger:

Did you read my comment at all? I am personally against free spots. I dont think any of the "free spot" teams are specially proud of getting promoted this way.  We didnt make the rules, so I think your comments "blaming" us for getting a promotion is a bit strange..

Yes I did. You could just have said "this is wrong, I want to play about it". You didn't, same as your team. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by iSvamp

Out of curiousity....as I understand it for ECL12-13 etc the top 4 core teams will get into qualifiers for Pro before some Lite teams who are not successful enough in playoffs. BUT if enough pro/elite teams disband then potentially a Lite team who is not eligible for Pro-qualifier can get the Pro spot before the pro-qualifier eligible core team. Its very unlikely, but theoretically possible, no? @NHLGamer

Im not sure but there is probably like a 100+ years or so of documented promotions/relegations in sport...why not have a look at how its done?

2 tuntia sitten, Kenu kirjoitti:

How would you personally formulate the team ownership rule? 

 

My point was by no means to have any kind of disrespect for the new teams, I know they are very good and for sure could have success in PRO, but feels a bit unfair for all the teams who are fighting their ways from the lower divisions. Was more of a friendly advice. Look at teams like Ghetto Firebirds etc. Of course sometimes changes in the lineup is necessary.

But when you change the name and the whole roster its a bit weird.  I dont know about how the rule would go, but maybe the staff would have to take a look at the teams who are changing basically everything.  Maybe a Captain + some old members at least. minimum. Would it be too harsh for a new team to start from Lite for an example? All ideas are welcome! I advice everyone to give their ideas for making these tournaments better for everyone. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by imosi

11 minuuttia sitten, imosi kirjoitti:

Look at times like Ghetto Firebirds etc.

Would it be too harsh for a new team to start from Lite for an example?

How about ECL 9 and Delusion (now hREDS)? 

That season they were über dominant in the Pro, imagine putting that kind of team in Lite.. Would Lite teams enjoy playing against that kind of team and losing 20-0? They were winning in Pro by over 10 goals many occasions (like 17-5 and 13-1).

If hREDS formed today would you seriously put them to Lite?

1 minuutti sitten, FINSeRe kirjoitti:

How about ECL 9 and Delusion (now hREDS)? 

That season they were über dominant in the Pro, imagine putting that kind of team in Lite.. Would Lite teams enjoy playing against that kind of team and losing 20-0? They were winning in Pro by over 10 goals many occasions (like 17-5 and 13-1).

If hREDS formed today would you seriously put them to Lite?

Exactly, this is the hard part of this whole "how to change" the qualifier system that works for everyone.   Ofc everyone understands that a "super" team like that doesn't belong to play in lite. These kind of teams (Elite level) aren't established too often.  But if we want to make a change, we need to do it at some point. 

29 minuuttia sitten, iSvamp kirjoitti:

Nope! from now. You can can still change it. Do the right thing from the start if you already can see that this is wrong and that it will be changed in the future. 

Yes I did. You could just have said "this is wrong, I want to play about it". You didn't, same as your team. 

First of all the team is not mine and im not the captain of the team just a member. Please tell me what would my comments change at this point?  These are all my personal opinions. What do you want me to say that you would be happy? Can I say it more clearly, I think no one deserves a free spot.  

@NHLGamer

The seeding is wrong for the Pro-qualifier. Why is suddenly Pro-teams 12th-14th seeded higher than Lite Playoff team 10th????

Please explain why you consider 9 Lite teams to be better than the Pro-teams but not 10. You also state that the Lite-teams will replace the directly promoted teams. So it makes more sense if you seed them higher  Its wrong...but at least make it consistent.

Also if you belive free spots are wrong then make it right now, not after the tournament.

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by J-Foppa

This means:

* Winner of B07 games play Pro next season
* If your team does not reach Last 16 in Lite there is no chance for Pro next season.
* If your team will be 15 or 16 in PRO there is no chance for Pro next season.
* If your team goes to the semifinal in Lite you will play Pro next season.
* Lite 16, Qual and Wild teams will have a chance to get an Open Spot after next signup.

This is just one model. I don't actually see the point with Wild Cards, but this system works without those teams as well, of course.

Edited April 13, 2021 by Kallmanius

5 timmar sedan, Kenu säger:

In this case, there were as many as five (5) unforeseen spots in Pro and we filled them as previously announced. Is it the right approach? Depends who you ask, and we’re open for feedback on this - preferably also from teams that are not in any way involved in this procedure currently, so we can get a broader view on the subject.

 

Just to put my 2 cents in, as someone who plays in LITE next season.

I think it's ridiculous, that a team that needed around 10 wins (like @iSvamp pointed out multiple times) to win LITE, get INSTANTLY promoted to PRO, before a team (SSK) that was just a couple of wins off playoffs, even though, the rules was said to be that the top 4 LITE teams get promoted whilst top 8 (or 9?) has to be in the qualifier tournament. Out of a competitive point of view, I think it is really important to withhold the principle of QUALIFYING into a higher division, ESPECIALLY when you did NOT actually "earn" it.

It's not too late to make things right IMO, the staff HAS to consider this overwhelming feedback, just put those teams that you chose to immediately promote to PRO, into the qualifiers instead. That would be the best thing to do, out of a competitive point of view.

But hey, what the fuck do I know

Edited April 12, 2021 by Pontinho

25 minuter sedan, Pontinho säger:

It's not too late to make things right IMO, the staff HAS to consider this overwhelming feedback, just put those teams that you chose to immediately promote to PRO, into the qualifiers instead. That would be the best thing to do, out of a competitive point of view.

"Overwhelming feedback"? 10-15 players (mostly players from affected teams so the opinion is not very objective) is not agreeing out of what...close to 300 teams? 

I say no changes now and let NG figure this out in peace. I think people forget how much work they put in to make this work and i know they care about the feedback.

 

Also, moving the teams to qualifiers creates a series of events so there will probably not be enough time to do that.

 

14 tuntia sitten, Bjono kirjoitti:

What is the different from previous seasons? 

so if you play that ”good” that you end up in the qualification situation, and obvious didnt have any success in the division, you are the better team and should stay in the division?? 

maybe we should close the division aswell? 

NICE FOR SJUKSTUGAN I GUESS

 

 

3 tuntia sitten, eliekamel87 kirjoitti:

"Overwhelming feedback"? 10-15 players (mostly players from affected teams so the opinion is not very objective) is not agreeing out of what...close to 300 teams?

 

I'd say 70+ likes on Mikka's post is pretty ''overwhelming'' feedback 😆😆? Or do you usually see this many likes on ANY post here @NG?

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by FINSeRe

3 timmar sedan, eliekamel87 säger:

"Overwhelming feedback"? 10-15 players (mostly players from affected teams so the opinion is not very objective) is not agreeing out of what...close to 300 teams? 

I say no changes now and let NG figure this out in peace. I think people forget how much work they put in to make this work and i know they care about the feedback.

 

Also, moving the teams to qualifiers creates a series of events so there will probably not be enough time to do that.

 

By all the reactions to posts here, yes, I would definitely say there are overwhelming reactions. Especially since you mentioned, it only affects SOME teams of 300, and a vast number of those teams have had players putting in their opinions here. It is also much easier to just nod your head at this post if you agree, than actually putting time in and writing some feedback, therefore I would count it higher than someone who agrees and just leaves an upvote.

But hey, that is just my opinion. I think they should reconsider this and just put those teams in the qual-tourney.

3 timmar sedan, eliekamel87 säger:

I say no changes now and let NG figure this out in peace. I think people forget how much work they put in to make this work and i know they care about the feedback.

We know they work hard for little or no pay. We appreciate it and therefore so many have stayed since ECL1  Actually because of the hard work of @Kenu everyone at Consolehockey moved to NHLGamer in the first place. 

But sometimes people make bad decisions, and in this case the timing issue is caused by their own actions. They decided to make the change mid-season. If they had just waited a few weeks, they would have until October/November to figure out the format for coming tournaments. 
AND bonus: keep the ECL fair. Which means; not forcing teams to wait months and allowing teams to recruit players, or even allowing new teams who did not participate in ECL11 regular season to qualify. 

Now they may argue that a change was needed because of the increase in players and teams. Fair enough. But ECL has increased with every season if I’m correct? This had to be foreseeable and expected. They just had to make the change in between seasons.

I welcome anyone to argue ECL11 + qualification is a fair competition. 

Don’t wait to fix this. Do it now.

6 timmar sedan, J-Foppa säger:

But sometimes people make bad decisions

This is just your (and a small group of people compared to how many players there is) opinion. 

@FINSeRe@Pontinho 70 "likes" is compared to 7-8 teams out of 300, the rest I'm assuming accepts the new structure and move on with their life.

 

What i am trying to say is that we don't know if NG thinks this is a bad decision or not. We should respect them enough to give them time to analyze the feedback, discuss this and if necessary adjust next season. If you've ever been in a position where you have to make choices that affects thousands of people in a good or bad way, you know its not easy - at least they respect the feedback but they can't just change everything in a heartbeat cause a group of people think it's not 100% perfect. 

Sure, 5 out of 300 teams got a "free ticket" and i understand that sucks for the ones that didn't or the ones who didn't or has to qualify but this is e-sport, stuff like this is not rare. They shouldn't change anything now so let us respect their decision, be thankful that we have NG and just play the d*mn game.

 

This is a never-ending discussion, at least until the season starts and everyone forgets about it.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2021 by eliekamel87

Just curious.. why was it okay to make changes midseason in ECL 11 but not now? Whats the difference? Still affects the same teams as the previous changes.

And thoose who you say accept the new rules do they really? They might be quiet because they are not standing with their pants down.

Edit: Making a poll takes 2 minutes and you will have your answers.

Edited April 13, 2021 by rize1988

2 timmar sedan, eliekamel87 säger:

This is just your (and a small group of people compared to how many players there is) opinion. 

@FINSeRe@Pontinho 70 "likes" is compared to 7-8 teams out of 300, the rest I'm assuming accepts the new structure and move on with their life.

 

What i am trying to say is that we don't know if NG thinks this is a bad decision or not. We should respect them enough to give them time to analyze the feedback, discuss this and if necessary adjust next season. If you've ever been in a position where you have to make choices that affects thousands of people in a good or bad way, you know its not easy - at least they respect the feedback but they can't just change everything in a heartbeat cause a group of people think it's not 100% perfect. 

Sure, 5 out of 300 teams got a "free ticket" and i understand that sucks for the ones that didn't or the ones who didn't or has to qualify but this is e-sport, stuff like this is not rare. They shouldn't change anything now so let us respect their decision, be thankful that we have NG and just play the d*mn game.

 

This is a never-ending discussion, at least until the season starts and everyone forgets about it.

 

 

Its not an opinion that the tournament is unfair. Its a fact. Changing prerequisites in an ongoing tournament makes it unfair. Again, please make an argument how allowing new teams to enter the qualification, or recruiting players between regular season and qualification makes for fair competition. Do you understand why there are trade deadlines in sport?

You are arguing that NG is working hard and listening to feedback, which is not arguing the point. No one is disputing that NG is working hard. Decisions are sometimes tough, but the decision to change the League structure is a fairly big decision to make. They just had to make it between seasons. It is really not that hard. And when you make a decision that creates unfair competition...you should correct it.

Im fine with us qualifying. I knew we had to qualify 10 games into ECL11. Really...Im not asking for free spot. What I would ask is to play the qualification close in time to regular season with the rosters who got there. This is not possible anymore. But at least, they can make every team who did not get a Pro spot qualify.

I do feel bad for SSK who got the notice 1 week and 3 games left of regular season that 12th position would put them in qualification, and then gets a lower seed than Lite teams who did not make the quarterfinals in Lite.

Edited April 13, 2021 by J-Foppa

 

It must be very challenging to reconcile all these various factors that go into decisions like these when you're transitioning from a four-tier system into a five-tier one. That said, I think there is a lesson for the staff (who I understand to be dedicated, passionate, and working hard to give us all the best ECL experience possible) to be learned from these announcements. They have been well-written so I'm not criticizing that, but they have included so much to take in that it can get confusing. The puzzle is so large that putting it together without missing any pieces can be difficult. The staff obviously knows all that stuff before the announcements, and presenting it in an easily digestible manner to the rest of us is something that I feel could be improved.

It is tricky for sure, but I think a potential approach would be to prioritize the most pertinent information, perhaps even making separate announcements published some time apart, and to more strongly differentiate the various bits of information via logical categorization. This would help people build a coherent overview of the changes in their minds. Realistically, long detailed explanations will not engage most people's steadfast attention. This leads to some of the evident confusion and misunderstanding where some things come as a surprise to some people despite having already been presented.

After all that I will add that my message mainly concerns the vast announcement during ECL 11 as this new one on its own is quite effective.

36 minuter sedan, Janikka säger:

It must be very challenging to reconcile all these various factors that go into decisions like these when you're transitioning from a four-tier system into a five-tier one. That said, I think there is a lesson for the staff (who I understand to be dedicated, passionate, and working hard to give us all the best ECL experience possible) to be learned from these announcements. They have been well-written so I'm not criticizing that, but they have included so much to take in that it can get confusing. The puzzle is so large that putting it together without missing any pieces can be difficult. The staff obviously knows all that stuff before the announcements, and presenting it in an easily digestible manner to the rest of us is something that I feel could be improved.

It is tricky for sure, but I think a potential approach would be to prioritize the most pertinent information, perhaps even making separate announcements published some time apart, and to more strongly differentiate the various bits of information via logical categorization. This would help people build a coherent overview of the changes in their minds. Realistically, long detailed explanations will not engage most people's steadfast attention. This leads to some of the evident confusion and misunderstanding where some things come as a surprise to some people despite having already been presented.

After all that I will add that my message mainly concerns the vast announcement during ECL 11 as this new one on its own is quite effective.

Good points @Janikka I agree with that things can improve and get more clear. For now I am one of those who are open to change things, because obviously it can be better 🙂 It is a spinning wheel and there will always be someone that is dissatisfied.

Anyhow, i do NOT support doing this changes now, a couple of days before it all starts. That would be a mess in my opinion. 

Edited April 13, 2021 by Kallmanius

10 minuter sedan, Kallmanius säger:

Anyhow, i do NOT support doing this changes now, a couple of days before it all starts. That would be a mess in my opinion. 

Why would it be a mess? What would it change more than gamer doing the right thing considering Kenu already talking about making this changes for ECL 13? 

I think (pretty much) everyone wants the PRO division to be competivitive. Just let everyone play in the qualifier so we get the best available teams in PRO for the next season. 

There is still time, gamer. 

 

1 timme sedan, iSvamp säger:

Why would it be a mess? What would it change more than gamer doing the right thing considering Kenu already talking about making this changes for ECL 13? 

I think (pretty much) everyone wants the PRO division to be competivitive. Just let everyone play in the qualifier so we get the best available teams in PRO for the next season. 

There is still time, gamer. 

 

There are probably many reasons why it could be difficult as the Qualification begins tomorrow (?). One reason could be this:

It is supposed to be 20 teams in the qualification. If you bring those 5 teams back, then you will have to remove the 5 teams they added to the Pro Qualification. Because, if they don't, they change the whole model and nothing is how it's supposed to be. That is only one of the things.

Edit: I agree with a lot. Yes, it is unfair in some parts and i also feel sad for some teams. But still I feel a big hesitation in changing all of it and make a u-turn. 

Edited April 13, 2021 by Kallmanius

11 minuter sedan, Kallmanius säger:

There are probably many reasons why it could be difficult as the Qualification begins tomorrow (?). Once reason could be this:

It is supposed to be 20 teams in the qualification. If you bring those 5 teams back, then you will have to remove the 5 teams they added to the Pro Qualification. Because, if they don't, they change the whole model and nothing is how it's supposed to be. That is only one thing.

Just remove them. 

20 teams, more spots. The best teams will get the spots in PRO. Easy. 

These teams were not meant to be there from the first place. 

Or just keep them, 20 or 25 teams doesnt really matter. It's just 2 more gamedays.