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I heard somewhere that long posts are good regardless of the arguments, so I'm back. Also I'm unfortunately still a defender so don't try to think I'm a goal hungry forward. Sounds pretty fucking OP to me. Would even perfectly explain the ridiculousness of the saves goalies have been making in NHL 26. Right now there is a huge problem of goal scoring opportunities being really inconsistent or even consistent in being saved by goalies regardless how they're playing the situations. For example, you have a two on one attack, pass for a one timer in the slot, thats going in maybe 20% time even if the goalie is sucking his own thumb in the net. Personally I think that if there is plenty of open net it should be a goal almost every time. So even Finsere said it, increasing skill ceiling is what an aspiring competitive game should do. In regard of attributes, in HUT in a similar situation, you can green time that one timer with blue 1T trait with 90 shooting abilities and goalies without traits make that save more than they should. So it definitely is possible in CHEL if you actually make the save. Also personally I think if goalies are able to save everything if positioned well, thats game breaking. So you should be able to straight up challenge the goalie from a good scoring positions with pretty high percentages. Especially you should be able to score almost everytime when the goalie is out of position. Means that bad defending is punished more -> it is rewarding to try and build good chances. Right now it really isn't rewarding at all to make 5 instant passes leading to an open net chance just to be saved by a goalie looking at someone beautiful in the crowd. -> Just shoot or just force passes and let luck take the wheel bingbangboom 1-0 letsgo fun game. Also because Sere threw out some numbers without any thought, red sponge gives you +75% controlled save ability. And if three traits active at the same time you could get more than +50% reaction time, +25% save accuracy, +25% save ability. And these numbers are actually available now, not like his 50% reaction reduction which nobody uses because it still isn't in the game in CHEL. Everybody is now using 15% reduction. And he is using elite sponge instead of using elite post to post, what I guess he has by the level of his CHEL dude and his words in the other post. This one might the furthest reach I have seen in a while. So just because on average there are more goals per game -> there are less undeserved saves. I'm not saying you are wrong, I didnt play at the start of NHL 24 and was still trying to open up my monitor during spring 24. But this argument just makes no sense. For example, more goals could mean that defenses are playing worse -> more chances -> more undeserved saves. Or did you look at the shot totals, shooting percentages. From what I have been talking, 100% of people have agreed with me that in 26 there are more bullshit saves than in 25. Maybe its just me and lack #luck. I like these bans and like the fact that you are making decisions on your own without trying to please everyone. Personally I don't have anything against the demographic way on these but also think that's not going to lead to the best results. My only question is after all these bans, what is the reason to not ban everything. What do the remaining traits give that makes them good for the game. There aren't that many of them so we can go one by one. Second wind: wtf even is this, nobody has ever even entertained such an absurd idea. "So okay what if we make it that when you have no stamina you actually have stamina even full stamina"... I want what that guy is having. Is next a teleport for defenders so if a forward gets a breakaway you can teleport to save the situation. Warrior: Probably going to be on many builds. Makes you harder to hit in a game where it is really easy dodge hits and bumps already if you are playing with your thumbs and not your feet. You stand up after a hit really fast, dont lose any energy. Quick pick: Helps once in while if you are positioning yourself like a blind donkey, if you are actually playing where you should be, activates once every other night so just useless and really random. Stick em up: Everybody and their mothers are crying about pokes with or without it, usually because they are too good but now because they are too bad. My personal free advice to this is L2P. (just a joke, even if I'm the most arrogant guy around.) But seriously its the same as last year, it helps a bit but you can just play without it and you'll be completely fine. Born leader: … Just a cool idea but actually absolutely nothing in real competitive gameplay where there aren't shots and hits flying everywhere. Shooting traits: Personally I like these just keep these (but only golden, more belove), more ways to punish actual bad defending and not just score by throwing the puck on the net, towards the net, in front of the net, play some pinball, bingbongbang and LETSGO 1-0(just repeat the same joke until it's funny). I understand this is never going to happen because the level of defending in this scene already causes 10 goals a game but if you wanted a competitive game, this is the way. Maybe the level of defending would even go up cause mistakes would actually be punished. just trust me bro Ankle breaker: Touch right stick, defender maybe falls. I think this sounds good. Said nobody ever. Passing traits: There are so many automatic saucers that if you want to pass the puck, there's no way you are going to use these. Just adds randomness without any reasonable benefits. Goalie traits: Already went through this in the first paragraphs. So maybe it's time for #banthemall, I would say at least ban all elite(red) traits and maybe even the blue(all-star) ones. For example red beauty backhand gives you 100% power and accuracy which is just hilariously OP. For me just allowing golden shooting traits (or even blue ones)would lead to most competitive and rewarding game. You couldnt score any ridiculous goals with just them but if the defense is breaking you can actually punish it without goalie traits saving everything. You could say this is bullshit for goalies but it's even more bullshit for goalies to work your ass off to make great saves and keep up with the play and position well, just to see opponents goalie listening to payphone playing with a blindfold saving everything. As for gamer, I think you guys should try to be more active about messaging elite teams to try and test out different ways of doing things. Like this week #banthemall, next week just golden traits or without the red ones. So we would actually have some real info of how the game feels with different "settings". We could do it ourselves but I might not be the most liked guy around for good reasons so I just can't bother because I think elite teams are too lazy to test stuff out by themselves.

That goalie abilities have not been banned is absolutely ridiculous, but i guess thats what happens when goalies cry about how unfair life is every game, even tho they experience biggest handicap out there.. It is easy to point out everytime a close quarter or one tee glitches through the goalie, but no one bats an eye when a goalie is completely on the other side of the net but still saves the puck, we mark it down as "wow great save" i think that is ridiculous. I played without abilities last year for like a month against other teams without it and goalscoring went up, cause bad goalies got punished And dont come at me with this bs "close quarters goes through the goalie" "and you cant claim that those saves are because of abilities" Nah i cant but you cant prove to me that the shot wasnt just a lucky bounce and was impossible to go in without close quarters cause you dont have a time machine to go back in time take of the ability and shoot in that exact same spot with exact same timing. Goalies have biggest handicap in this game and get treated like spoiled kids Would be happy to discuss this topic with adults and not crybaby goalies trying to be funny or are just pissed off Come with valid points and we can discuss

This is a good idea. The ECLPro password has been abused for most of the time it's been around. Enforcement is the only way to make it work as intended. If your team is legitimately good enough to play against Pro teams, climb into Pro/Pro qualifiers with your team and then search with the password intended for those teams. If you don't enjoy playing against teams below that level, join a team that plays in Pro/Pro qualifiers.

I will once more explain why this isn't the case down below. But even if you had all shooting perks open and you banned all goalie X-Factors, goalies would still make those crazy saves. 1st you talk about increasing skill ceiling and immediately after that you are saying that goalie positioning shouldn't matter? It's literally opposite of increasing skill ceiling for goalies if positioning doesn't matter. It would mean that it doesn't matter who is in the net and it wouldn't matter if he positions wrong. So I disagree with this. If goalie plays perfectly and positions perfectly, he should be rewarded with the save at least most of the time. This isn't game only for forwards and defenders and this game should be fun for goalies also. But at the same time I do think goalies should be played more aggresively so I would actually like to see some nerfs on goalies when they just stand on goal line so it would encourage goalies to challenge shooters (like in real life) which in turn leaves more room to score from passing plays. This is true and with this I agree. But the solution isn't something easy like banning X-Factors or something, it's literally how EA has programmed this game. I have been playing competetive 6v6 almost 15 years and I can assure you that goalie making undeserved saves is not a new thing in 26. It's IMO incredibly short sighted to say something like that. However I do think the peak of undeserved saves was in NHL 24 and I'm pretty sure 99 % of the player base agrees with me on this. At least I did my research and all my numbers were correct.. Those numbers you gave are funnily enough wrong and VERY HIGHLY situational. Sponge activates only when you would make the save anyways. It gives no boosts to the save itself. Banning Sponge would actually only increase brown poopy goals, which isn't increasing skill ceiling. Post 2 Post activates only while moving sideways and then it can actually give 75 % save accuracy and reaction time. It also increases goalies speed while moving sideways. Dialed In is actually only X-Factor that is not situational as it boosts all saves. However I believe this is the weakest X-Factor for goalies and unless you get decent amount of saves, it's almost like you don't have X-Factor at all. Recharge activates after every save but again it will only activate when you would make the save anyways. It works quite the same than old battery perk, where it would give energy to players. Also it reduces fatique and pressure etc. so this one is actually very noticeable. However it feels like I'm only one using this and as it doesn't improve goalies save ability, it's hardly OP. Show Stopper activates only when making reflex saves. I'm not sure what reflex saves mean in actuality (would need EA to clarify this), but I do know that it doesn't mean it activates on every save. At least in paper I do think Show Stopper is the best X-Factor for goalies but I'm not 100 % sure how it works compared to other X-Factors so my words in this case should be taken with grain of salt. So from 5 X-Factors only 3 are actually helping goalie to make saves and even then 2 of them are highly situational and activate only when certain parameters are reached. Only X-Factor which isn't situational is pretty weak and it will reset after every goal given against. I can also guarantee that Elite Quick Release will be available in the next Season Pass so actually it will be available in the next ECL as we are talking about actual ECL. Incorrect. I don't use Post 2 Post because I'm able to save onetimers without it. Same applied to NHL 24 and 25 as I didn't use Post 2 Post on those either even when most of the goalies did use it. Reason why I use Elite Sponge is because I think Dialed In is the weakest X-Factor (like I said previously) and because I don't need Post 2 Post, there is only Sponge that I can use even if it doesn't boost my saving ability. I just think it's better gameplay from goalie perspective to not give up so much brown poopy EA goals. I wouldn't say it's OP tho. At least I gave some actual facts. I didn't say anything about undeserved goals or saves, I just pointed out the actual numbers. Learn to read and don't put words in my mouth thank you. You yourself are just rambling your own thoughts and gave no actual explanation for the goal increase. Yeah it COULD be because of this and that and it COULD be because of them and those but you arent proving anything by giving your thoughts. Also if you haven't played NHL 24 I think it's crazy to use argument: "This one might the furthest reach I have seen in a while." Like how would you know? I mean literally if you haven't played that game? Then suddenly you start to talk about NHL 25 even thought I was talking about NHL 24 and how bad goalie making undeserved saves really has been. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do also want to point out that EA fixed floating goalies and leaky short sides from NHL 25. They also fixed other numerous smaller things for goalies and made many improvements in quality overall so they wouldn't be so braindead all the time. So even if the gameplay would be identical to NHL 25, goalies would still at least in paper save more because of these fixes. I think currently most broken thing (stick checking included) is posts as many certain goals are taken away because of this. If EA fixed this it would already make huge improvement IMO. I also want to point out that I don't care what the bans are going to be for the next season as it will be same for every goalie. I'm pretty sure I can manage it either way.

I understand both saaggssy and Karlzzzon's perspective for sure. And I've played countless good games against Nightbot and saaggssy (many of which my team lost). So it gets more complicated with teams that could compete in Pro and are thus well matched against Pro teams. And as saaggssy pointed out, some Pro teams are actually worse than some Lite teams. I still support Saviinainen's idea of enforcing the passwords, however. This would make it clearer and fairer. If you make all these exceptions, even if they're based on teams' skill levels, the line gets blurred and people start asking why one team is supposedly good enough to use the password while another isn't. The slippery slope eventually returns us to this same situation. I'm personally not even in a Pro team now, I just like the idea based on a lot of experience with matchmaking using the ECLPro password.

What if you play with/in a club that's not in a league. A club like Nightbot.👀😎

Since you don't even know yourself what you're saying, I can't bother to answer to this. I just hope others can read and understand.

I wouldn't mind having atleast actual ECL teams instead of 6 drunk russian guys with 500ms ping

Thats the nice idea but unfortunately we have seen it like that doesnt work. So many under level teams has used wrong password. There should be some kind of report system like teams are able to report teams and their players who are using wrong password, first they will get warning from that and if that happens again then whole team and players would be banned for next Sportsgamer tournament

Just want to highlight that I ran @FINSeRe's post through AI to give it an English translation. A great post about the goalie perks and how the perks might be given false credit for saves. Check it out if you previously skipped it due to the language barrier.

Ban them all