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Someone isnt happy because didnt get pena and joukki to his team

Would be nice if players that actually forced our team to quit would get some kind of punishment as its almost impossible to get Elite level players during the season but no... players should show some respect and dedication to their teams and not leave the team if you lose a game or two smh

Only this season? Kinda low ban, we paid lisence with real money on elite and rest season ban? welp

Confirmed: FCM won't finish 16th in ECL Elite this season 🧐

when you create a new team just think these things: 1. Is he a good guy? 2. Is he a good player? 3. Number 1 question again. my only advice

Well, for what do have assistant captains then? That they have absolutely no responsibility in every case and are only named because the rulebook says so? I agree that this paragraph (13.4) is written a little bit sloppy but as 13.8 referes to this kind of situation it sticks for me. What did those two guys do? The captain left the sinking ship, that's crap for sure, but what kind of attitude you should have as an assistant captain? Step up for your team, take this role and try to do best out of it. For me it would be something like "pride" to finish the season as good as I can. For sure it could be very frustrating, but it is what it is. This should be a kind of codex to all of those guys who are in a leading role inside of a team. I know you earn nothing out of it as it's only a video game and I'm fully aware that it's nowhere written in the rule book and probably never will, but still, those captains and assistants have to take responsibility for all of the teams actions! When did they got transferred to Northern Ascendancy? Before or after it was clear they will brake up? Without having knowledge I would assume that it was after it and if it is so, due to this time of event they are responsible for the teams actions and for me it is that exactly after this event they got banned. So they can be transferred to Northern Ascendany but are banned for playing in ECL 7. You could also read the rule book this way. Sure, you can blame LA for writing this paragraph with some loop hole, but as a captain yourself, would you like to see that other captains will sneak through loop holes as well? I doubt it. For me it's the right call in case that everybody should take responsibility for their actions and don't snitch threw every written latter and try to make the best for themselves and give a damn to the integrity of this community. God damn, we don't do this for a living, there are and will be some mistakes. Please don't put every word or sentence under the microscope.

Good mind, and a decent sauna evening.

"WE HAVE RULES!!!“

What I meant was 13.8 states that regardless of captaincy, members that were involved in the disqualification of their team will be banned. Judging by what's written here, they were. So I don't think it contradicts 13.4 at all.

Look, even Ape talked about Juizki basically being their spokesman before this shit even started to bubble over. Sure he wasn't technically an assistant or captain but if something walks like a dog and barks like one too, then it's a dog. The fact the LA is grasping at this as some sort of smoking gun is completely laughable. In addition to this, how can you possibly sit there and say they didn't make "a big effort of keeping the team alive", are you privy to their discussions with LA? Besides, seen as people like to argue semantics, what even constitutes a "big effort"? Does it mean they have to pick up anybody with a pulse? Perhaps you would like to consider the fact that by the time this decision had finally been made 'official' the pro transfer deadline had passed, so if there were to pick up anybody they would almost certainly be completely out of their depth.

I have been watching this situation quite closely from the “sideline” over the last few days. One thing really blowing my mind and the reason why I´m writing this lines, is the fact how arbitrary this decision is. If you make the effort to write and introduce rules you got to follow them and respect the wording – even and especially the ones who are carry them out. That is not the case here. Let´s dive into the wording of the relevant paragraphs: „13.3
Teams are allowed to release a player from their roster, provided this doesn’t violate the roster size rule. If a player is released or transferred to another team and thus the roster size is temporarily below the limit mentioned in 2.2, the team has 24 hours to invite a new player to the team to meet the rule again, otherwise it will be disqualified. Released players cannot go back to the team that released them and their next move is considered a transfer from the team that released them. 13.4
Team captains are not allowed to be transferred during a league/tournament. Team assistant captains are allowed to transfer in case the team captain agrees to a transfer. In case the team captain disagrees, an assistant captain is not allowed to be transferred to another team. This paragraph also applies if a team is not able to finish the tournament for whatever reason. 13.8
If a team is disqualified, its managers are banned from the league/tournament. The other roster players are free to transfer to another team, unless they were proven involved in the disqualification of their team, in which case they are also banned.“ As there is no rule embodying something like a “right to reject trades/transfers” for the LA, the following situation played out: Team RAD was falling apart. After the C of RAD decided to shut the team down, the A´s didn’t have a chance to really solve this situation. So, they did what, I think, everyone in this situation would do: searching for an out. The seemingly got one by joining NOR. Now we come to transfer rules. Yes, in general A´s aren’t allowed to change teams midseason unless they have the ok of the team´s C (13.4) – both A´s reached that agreement with their C. So they played by the rules. Next step is 13.3 and 13.8. The captains of a team are disqualified from participation in the on-going season when their team is disqualified. Now the timeline of this situation becomes leading. As the wording of 13.8 says: a decision of the LA is needed to disqualify a team. But at the time the A´s got transferred to NOR there wasn’t any decision about a disqualification of RAD. If the LA wanted to prevent a situation like this from happening, they should have taken this into account when writing the rules. The other option for LA would have been to make a temporary decision on RAD and putting all transfers out of RAD on hold until the final decision is made. They didn’t obviously. What they did is handling the situation pretty sloppy and let time lapse away. Time the two players used to join NOR. Something A´s are allowed to do (13.4). So RAD was still part of ECL Elite by the time the transfer happened. In fact, the two players were already part of NOR when disqualification was vocalised. In my understanding of the rules there is no basis in the rules for disqualifying them after that point. Now one might say: “The rules intended to keep Captains responsibly for their teams.” That argument is not valid here. If you want intentions to be taken into account in legal interpretation, you have to make these intentions publicly and more important by the time the said rule is established. You can´t just say, this was the intention when we wrote the rule back in the days. That´s not how rules work, because if you do so decision can (and almost certainly will) become discretionary. But it is exactly what happened here. The rules got bend in line with the feelings of how this situation “morally” should be handled. Since NHLgamer wants to take the next step into a more professional league and tender cash prizes, situations like this can´t happen – that´s really hacky. Everyone should think twice about handing over money to a league that´s run the way it is at the moment. I strongly recommend that you should re-evaluate those transfer rules and perhaps install something like a “rules committee” that is completely independent from the LA in order to separate jurisdiction from legislation.

Sad shit, true story but it is what it is and it cant supprice anyone? Rules are there, lets play by them. But; bla bla bla Meh: bla bla bla Ok

Well i was planned to leave weeks ago during esm games. But i changed my mind after Totalii joined team i thought he would give some more positive mindset for team. Things didnt change and during playing games atmosphere was still toxic in party chat and blaming whoever made mistake in game. I’d rather playing be fun with same time as taking it serious.(you get the point) Losing first elite regular season games didnt affect to my decision to leave the team))

Cant blame my ban length really, but as I was C this mess was completely my fault, why do you have to punish A's as they didnt got anything to do with managing my team. Could you please give me bigger ban that my A's could play on this ECL ? Feels bad for them.

Well your behaviour didnt make the party chat any better, especially rage quitting during ecl games

Not enough loopholes anymore?;)

I have no fucking Idea how we survived in EC14 🤔

I wonder why no ”good” defender want skill hockey

Yea? I'm annoyed because I followed the rules to the letter unlike the actual admins 😂

A promotion to the Pro tier above, and a moderate amount of bragging rights :). ECL Elite is the only division with a price pool at this point.

Oh where do I start? May as well use the rules you guys used to somehow support this absolute [insert word here to fit your emotion] decision. "13.4 Team captains are not allowed to be transferred during a league/tournament. Team assistant captains are allowed to transfer in case the team captain agrees to a transfer. In case the team captain disagrees, an assistant captain is not allowed to be transferred to another team. This paragraph also applies if a team is not able to finish the tournament for whatever reason.” “13.8 If a team is disqualified, its managers are banned from the league/tournament. The other roster players are free to transfer to another team, unless they were proven involved in the disqualification of their team, in which case they are also banned.” So 13.4 is pretty key in that it EXPLICITLY states "This paragraph also applies if a team is not able to finish the tournament for whatever reason.", In non-bloated speak that means "team assistant captains" are allowed to change teams if the captain consents to it, Ape did so why the actual shit was this not applied? This is where you say "it wasn't used because 13.8 (which is contradictory in nature) states otherwise". But wait, 13.8 is not only completely contradictory but it is also GENERAL. What kind of backwards ass rule system applies a general rule over one that is much more specific in nature? In fact, why not top off this pile of excrement with the fact that 13.4 was written AFTER 13.8 was already a rule, meaning that 13.4 was conceived to REPLACE 13.8, jesus christ wtf. May as well throw this in here since it's shady as shit in my honest opinion, all previous rule threads are hidden, meaning unless you have special privileges you can't see this 'rulebook' (if you can even call it that at this point, since you obviously don't treat it as such) unfold in all of its idiocy. Also, I would like to point out that a member of your admin crew has seemingly deleted posts which show them in a not so good light, great transparency 10/10. I would also like to draw attention to another rule that shows how absolutely pants on backwards [expletive] anyone involved in this decision has been. "6.2 League Administration must stick to all of the written rules at any time. League Administration is allowed to add further clarification to existing rules if deemed necessary. If League Administration is required to process a case that is not covered by any of the existing rules, it is allowed to add new rules throughout a league/tournament to cover these scenarios.” But wait, you see the problem here? 6.2 states they (LA) must stick to the written rules at any time. No where in that 'rulebook' is there specific mention as to what the intention behind the rule is. But shit, I guess that explains why you selectively chose to follow an older more general rule as opposed to a newer one that DIRECTLY pertains to the situation at hand. That’s fine though, after all, what are rules if they’re not meant to be broken right?