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I played ECL 3 season in Checkmate and i can cofirm that we could have played those games againts SSG in last two regular season days but majority of us didn't wanted to play and only wanted WO. The time what i was there i sadly must say that Checkmate is that kind of club who prefer to get WO than decide who is better on ice. Im relieved that stuff didn't give WO to checkmate (what i strongly believe they wanted) but instead we play rematch games. -entii112

I never would've thought that a team could be so desperate to get another ass whooping. Two blowout loses for HC Checkmate... Guess they are different. Well played BiggestEight and Hanssonni. You got another chance! Same exact slimy way that HC Checkmate used to get WO wins in the last season after purposely avoiding the other team and taking a break from the game. Truly fits your name. As for Kefleri - I'm glad that he joined our team and we would do it again if we had to. Being abused by his Refuse To Lose teammates and captain, spouting disgusting insults about his girlfriend and unborn child - that's unacceptable. Shame on you Hanssonni, shame on you Refuse To Lose. Shame, shame, shame. As for the game suspensions - when you contacted us, they were issued for the games against the next default opponent. As such, we acknowledged that and iced a suboptimal lineup for those games. If you plan to enforce them in the games against Nemesis, effectively punishing the two players for no reason, we'll appeal for a replay of our games against CAT. After all you seemingly have already set the ridiculous precedent for replaying games. - Ox, assistant captain of Silver Sword Griffins

There's again some problems with SSG? BANNIA BANNIA!

Well at least it's a first time for a team being told to fully replay both played games... in any season really. Having in mind that opposition's Captain had full understanding of our goalie and that he should not be playing at all prior the game and still proceeded to play. Later only after loosing, he discussed it with Hanssonni and collectively head to "LA". I bet not a single word would have been mentioned in outcomes if Checkmate would have won. This is how I see it in a nutshell.

i think is no point to keep talking on here, just waste of the time that's all. The games will have to be replayed anyway, so let the action speak not the words

Again - I've seen the "nice" side of this community. Everyone shit talking, insulting girlfriends and threatening to rape ones unborn child. I've reached a point where I genuinely don't think it's worth my personal time to help improving the community for people like you. It's just not worth it, especially seeing how my fellow teammates get ridiculed every single time as well(even if at times they aren't the only ones at fault). Like last season - SSGs C got his console banned few hours before the scheduled games. They didn't get replacement in time. What happens next? The C buys a new console the very next day, they are basically ready to play the games at any time. What about the other teams? Oh, they have decided to take a break from the game(cue Entti's comment where he shows how "interested" you were into playing those games). And then I read in the chatbox insulting comments about SSG how they can't finish the season. And then the FR and SYN fiasco. I joined them and took a role in staff, in an attempt to help improve this community. Now I've come to realization - why bother? I personally don't enjoy getting shit on and dealing with people who's main purpose is to fuck with others. Yes, we made a mistake. I'm not arguing about it. Nor am I against the current punishment(even tho point deductions would be a more sensible approach since no serious sport just "replays" their events). But you also made a bunch of mistakes by contacting the wrong people. You simply could've refused to play. Also, lets be real, don't try to hide how you orchestrated this little play together with your friend Hanssonni. Sorry, but I do have a very good reason for being upset at you after what you've done this and the previous season. Plus, scheduling games with you - we made the sacrifices and adapted. You're not available 80% of the time, can't make the default dates, won't play two opponents during the same day. Oh, and the cherry on top - when I come back to you after talking with my teammates and agree to play the games during one of the few days you previously purposed and noted as being free - you say that it's not gonna happen. Wonderful. Yes, I am pissed. Especially after hearing how someone threatened to rape Kefleri's unborn child. Sorry, but I don't take those things lightly. What message? The one with "Everything OK?"? Because that's the only message I received from you on the game day. Do I need to have a crystal ball to understand what you're meaning with that? Also, as you probably noticed, I wasn't playing that evening. Hell, my PS4 wasn't even turned on. What you should've done is contact the other two captains(especially since they both WERE playing, one of them being the actual captain of the team). It's common sense - if you have something urgent to discuss and you can't reach someone - message the other captains. But I guess that's too complicated for some people. As they say - common sense isn't that common.

Why are you contacting pelimies!! with the concerns you had? He's not in Captaincy of this team... is he? Contacting the right person(s) at least would have prevented your 2nd chance. You said you knew Pelimies had history of "violating rules" yourself... and you contact him?? Purposely or not, ain't really smart. Or is it? You tell me sauceman!

If this is true and can be proven imo more dire punishment should be considered.

Just to clear things up a bit: When we noticed Kefleri was playing for SSG, we contacted SSG saying they're (most likely) not allowed to play with Kefleri on their lineup. We also tried to contact The_Alpha_Furyan to get a confirmation the captain rule still applies. We did not get a reply from The_Alpha_Furyan before our games were supposed begin, but we got a message from SSG saying that the rule has changed and it's ok for them to play these games. Since we had no confirmation we had to play against SSG, simply due to a fact that if we happened to be wrong SSG would've (most likely) requested a WO wins over us. SSG: you guys know the rules. I think it's quite hypocritical to blame us for this situation after you tried to misslead us saying rules have changed, you are the ones who broke the rules AND you completely neglected our warning that your roster might not be eligible to play.

wtf why i am tagged in ???

@OxtreeLAT Ewww.... Dude, you're part of League administration. You gotta be above these things, even when it concerns your team. Just have one of your clubmates comment on it in your place or something.

The captain rulle is wrong, if the person dosent want to play for the team he shouldn't be hold, what is the point of that... BS

You did what you did thats done. Now we can focus on playing this tournament in different teams

Oooh are you saying you didnt say anything about me or my family with hakala. Maybe you should remember that evening better. You didnt say you are going to rape my unborn child but you was with him who said that and after that you are giving me father of the year medal and talking shit about me and my girlfriend. So dont speak shit

Im not crying, i just did my job. you didnt follow the rules, sorry if its my fault. Maybe i go to practice and you go to read one more time rules. See you on the ice

Overall, to me it looks quite a messy situation, and that's what you generally end up with on matters where the rules rely largely on judgement calls. I feel the ruling in this case is OK. The details can always be argued upon. Replaying the games is an interesting precedent, but to be honest it feels like a much better solution than handing out WOs. There are a few players involved who've never proved to have an understanding of rules and/or the ability to follow them. I recall a wide sweep with a big-ass banhammer back in the days.

Our 2nd assistant Captain… not Captain - get it right. Who contacted who between you and Pelimies doesn't change a thing since you still discussed it with him on personal level. Regarding your unsuccessful "attempts" contacting Oxtree before games is something completely new to me! Btw, you got exactly what you came for (perhaps maybe not exactly but you got your 2nd chance), why are you still "crying"? Go practice or something… ^^

Yo, "Another chance" i dont really think i got any chances with this case? I play in RTL, not Checkmate. All i wanted in this case was justice, If theres a rule that i have to accept the trade, then its gonna be that way. Pelimies got warned by the opponents but he didnt notice it, thats it. And about being abused, you guys can think what you want. Its my and Kefleri's problem, i can only say that i did not say anything bad neither of his girlfriend, or unborn child.

Nah this is punishment enough. Also if I'm not mistaken Alpha Furyan is not a league admin, he's on the staff for media content.

I still have a role in SSG captaincy. If I see bullshit, I'm gonna call it out. BiggestEight(@selänne8) has been one of the slimiest people around here(as proven in the previous posts). As far as my current role in staff - at this time I'm reconsidering my further involvement into the development and administration of the tournament.

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This wasn't the first time during this season where captain/alternate captain wants to be transfered to some other team. Difference is that in other cases, people contacted LA about those transfers and told what has happened and what they want to do. In this one, people involved didn't care about the rules and just acted without thinking what it might cause. Of course, this is my personal opinion about this case. Believe me or not - most of the rules are there because of an actual reason.