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Yeah yeah yeah... Can we go back to Unknown vs Synergy please? Thx

1. I would like to see Team Finland vs Team Sweden vs Team Europe. 12 players for each team, 2 different lineups. 1st lineup could be voted in here and 2nd is chosen by nhlgamer stuff. 2. Make interviews. So many people are totally unknown to me. Would be nice to read or listen those. I actually like some stuff Sika& Rv are doing so keep it up! 3. I dont like the fact that I have to put stream up manually everytime. Its not a big thing to fix and it helps your customers. 4. Dont punish people for quiting in long tourney. It just makes no sense. You dont want less people playing on your site. If divisions are created make them start from the bottom. Thats enough for punishment you dont have to give bans etc. 5. If people want to create new teams just make them earn their spot in the league. For example if they want to play in 1st division they have to play against team which is placed 10-16 or chosen by nhlgamer etc.

Glad to see so much discussion going on and especially so much effort put into the reasoning behind your thoughts. Really appreciate it. Our proposal for the ECL Divisions is now up. Please give it a read and continue discussing.

Im all for a 3 division system. Don't really see any point to having a 2 division system. Might as well just keep it as it is with smaller groups. 3 divisions is good because you have beginner teams who will hopefully not quit playing after 4-5 consecutive 0-10 losses, and you will have the mid tier teams who can aspire to become a top division team. And no that doesn't mean you will isolate the community because in contradiction to other people's views I believe you get better by practise not by getting top players. The so called top players are already in the top teams. In what way would it be different with 3 divisions?

You will still be able to compete against elite teams in the highest division. Your chasing something that isn't there. Things don't get more competetive and real only because we have 3-4 divisions instead of 2 divisions. In fact, you make things less exciting. There is nothing exciting about reaching division 2 or dropping out from div 2. You will only get worse teams in the bottom and less activity. . In fact, you kill competition. The only point with divisions is the gap between div 1 and 2. That we can try and we will! But hopefully, I hope the staff don't take it further than that since it will only hurt the community BIG TIME! Also. You act like this tournament is a fiasco. In a way it is, but in terms of activity and number of good teams it's a success. Much to be done to better this community. Divisions might be one thing, but definitely not the most urgent or vital change.

No, you asked me to join your team. I did, u fucked me over, and Laser did not want me back. Yes that pissed me of cause it hurt good relations i had with players in that team. Who asked u? Gl with that. Why do you feel pride in manipulating and lying? Just quit the game for the fifth time.

I'm glad to see there's some good discussion going on atm. There's a lot of opinions and points of view on this matter and most importantly, everyone is motivating and reasoning their views. We'll be sharing our plans with you tomorrow and we hope to get some more feedback and thoughts then. Feel free to keep discussing in the mean time, of course. As for the PM sharing case, well, that's not something I respect. I'm glad it resulted in some good discussion, though. I felt bad for forgetting to get back to iSvamp about his question in regards to the divisions, so I wrote him a rather quick reply in order to briefly explain the different dilemmas that we are facing when putting together our plan for how the divisions should work. The point being that we are aware of his team having a long history and that we try to take all angles into consideration. The main point I was trying to make in the message, was that we're aware of his concerns and that we will be posting about our plans soon and be open for feedback. Apparently I wasn't clear enough in my communication, as what happened next was being sent messages that, A) had a bunch of great content and constructive feedback, but B) sadly a little too much not-so-suddle hints of the staff being idiots. In my opinion @MartindalexC wrote a very good post in this thread and I agree with him about respect. People can disagree even to a great extent, but still see the other parties point of view and respect the other person and their reasoning behind their views. That doesn't stop the other person feeling like I'm wrong, but it makes a good platform for a healthy discussion. Then there's people who think it's ok to say "with all due respect, you're an idiot" (not an actual quote). My point being, that their thought process is if you say something kinda nice to start your message, you can just blast away insults afterwards. I'm always open for feedback and constructive criticism, but verbally attacking the staff will not be tolerated. The cause may be good and the underlying logic for the criticism may be valid, but it does not merit attacking any member of the community, whether a staff member or not.

Im sure svump is balls deep with both Craig and norpe ATM (pun intended). But honestly, unknown isnt the big mystery you want it to be. Actually I think a lot of ppl are just tired hearing about it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're are playing all these 10-0 games this season to get divisions? Lots of really boring hours. And then the holy unknown should dismantle 2-3 teams and get a freepass to div 1? Yes?

Well this thread turned ugly real quick. Lets face it - there are both good reasons for and against it. Either way - it's rather obvious that there's one side pushing their own personal agenda in order to get them in a better position for the upcoming tournaments. That said, I'm personally against giving teams a free pass, regardless of the circumstances. Why? Because it completely undermines the whole division system and at that point one can easily question why there's a need for such system in the first place. Also this would set a precedent where other teams could try doing the same and ask for a free pass to advance to higher divisions. Who will decide if a team belongs to be placed in a higher division? Who exactly has the knowledge and capabilities to accurately determine which team belongs in which division? I can only see it turning into an ugly, highly opinionated and subjective mess. For this to work there needs to be a solid set of ground-rules that clearly define the divisions and the whole promotion/relegation process. There's no room for subjectivity or opinions, otherwise this whole community will be a dumpster fire with constant arguing.

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I kind of agree with Jesus here. In a perfect world, the division system would benefit everyone. However, as it is, it will cater to the elite/top teams and completely disregard the needs of the mid- to low-tier teams. What do they want/need? I agree with everything Jesus has said about the skill gap becoming wider and wider because people don't want to join the teams that aren't in the top division. The division system will create its own ecosystem of top players and teams and isolate the rest of the players and teams out. I completely understand why the top teams and players want that, but what will it do for the community? We need fresh blood and players with motivation. I'm all for playing more meaningful games, but for the rest of the community "meaningful games" might be playing against and challenging the top teams. I don't think the issue is as big as it has been made out to be, but it's something to consider. I personally think the shorter seasons with more groups but all the teams has been the best concept thus far. EDIT: Just to reiterate, on a personal basis I love the fact that I get to play against only the best teams, but I think we should look at the bigger picture - how the division system affects the community as a whole.

30 in Div1 (ECL) might not be quite competetive enough as there would still be too big skill diffeferences between top and "ok" teams. And if there was 16 in Div1, and all the rest in Div2, it would be the same but in Div2 that time and I think with three divisions, the game will be more fun for everybody. I like the idea that teams should play against their own level teams - for an example: "Elite team" playing against "possible quitter team" or just literally "amateur team" is not fun or competetive to any team. And lets be honest here - we can divide our community's skill easily to three divisions by just looking at our teams right now. We have top teams, midtable teams and teams that take it in the ass even from midtable teams. Just being realistic and saying it like this so everyone here understands what's the point of Divisions. Personally I think that NHLGamer will take huge steps for NHL-scene with their new, fixed Division-system. Ask anyone who seriously respects the competetiviness big time, and meanwhile also looks to the future - not just next season.

After this ECL season Eric Daze is looking for active Finnish club that's gonna participate to next ECL. I've played most as RW and LW, but I am also decent backup LD. Contact me: PSN kinnune http://nhlgamer.com/player.php?playerID=380

Hey looking for team to next ECL. pos: rw lw ld rd. Best pos RW or RD. Played couple 6v6 games before. Msg to Psn: KingOfApes_ http://nhlgamer.com/player.php?playerID=233

Here are my personal thoughts and wishes on the future of NHLGamer and ECL. It's more like bunch of notes than wall of text, but anyways here it is. ECL Wishlist 1. Get comments back to game reports. I know it's not that big deal but I'd say that our community would like to have it back. 2. Using whole time period of NHL-game, like the other competetive sites do with their leagues and games. Yeah, it might sound too much now but after all it would be best for the community to play this game a lot, and hey, after all there would be only two leagues per year, with two shorter Cups. --> 2x Elite ECL leagues per year (+ divisions) --> 1x Euro Cup, big tournament with every team who wants to play > as much as possible groups, about 6 teams per group which would keep the Cup short. Just like Football and Hockey has their short tournaments before/during/after their real seasons. --> 1x Summer Cup in July-August, snake draft teams etc. 3. Bigger Staff. To make this whole thing really work, NHLGamer needs to have strong and active Staff. I'm not saying there should be over 20 guys deciding what to do or anything but more people, with different tasks and responsibilities would definitely be better than handful of guys. And after this, create new topic or site where is every Staff member, their introductions, what their main tasks are and how to contact them. Community needs to know about our Staff. --> site-admins: big bosses, all-arounders --> moderators: league maintenance, news, articles, interviews --> country captains: this is something new I've had in my mind for some weeks now and the meaning of this would be basically to have certain guys representing their countries team captains. For an example, one finnish, one swedish, one russian and one "european" person, and their only task would be to keep things clear between our captains and Staff. If this sounds stupid, then get bigger group of moderators who have their own responsibilites (certain guys taking care of certain groups/countries). -->team captains: I guess everybody knows what this means. But I just wanna say if someone really wants to be captain of their team, and gets his team to the ECL for example: respect the rules, staff and your opponents. 4. Profile-info in the forum, which people would see when we write here. Just a little subtile add to forum, not much. Example: vSilenttio Advanced Member +148 Team: SIKA PSN ID: vSilenttio Gamertag: Silenttio Twitch: vSilenttio Posts: 58 5. Bring us wild cards! For an example, if there's 30 teams in ECL, 15 per group, lets have wild card spots. Six best teams go straight to the playoffs, 7th-10th teams battle for remaining two playoff-spots. Teams that dont make playoffs (11-15th placed teams in both groups), would battle in elimination round for their next seasons ECL ticket. Five losers from these five pairs get eliminated. Hope here's something what you guys could even consider to do in the future of NHLGamer.

Seen as I was complaining about stuff in the chatbox, I may as well say one thing here. If there's one thing that makes zero sense to me is the ruling pertaining to what should happen should a player drop from a game. So, we're a 6v6 league, why should we even entertain the prospect of playing an entire period with an ai on the ice? If a player drops, the game should be dead (mostly). I will digress that if the game ends if someone drops, then there will always be someone scummy enough to try and abuse it, so it would make sense then to say that the next stoppage would end the game. Still though, isn't it better to try and work through these problems instead of just straight up copping out and defeating the purpose of a 6s league? As it stands the onus to decide whether or not the period should continue is left to the opposing team for some reason. Why is that so? I can't possibly think of a single reason why this more reasonable than letting the team that dropped a player decide, especially since they're (typically) in direct contact with the dude that dropped. I'm sure there are other rules that strike me as odd, but this just straight up perplexes me and as such I would welcome some clarification on the thought process behind it.