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Both ways should work just fine. It doesn't matter if you are not in the top20 monthly as long as there is some seeding before teams will be randomized. Every team starts still from the same line, but this way there won't be all top15 teams in one group (A) and that way teams 9-15 would be out of playoffs as they might have been able to be #1-2 in other groups (B, C or D). What I'm trying to say, is that I prefer any kind of seeding before groups are made, as long as groups are still equal in the first tournament.

I would also like to play few more games before x-mas, but it is you who knows it best how we should do it. If you feel like you aren't ready with the site before 14th, it's ok to for me to wait. I rather play the games when everything is completely ready than rush. We all should be thankful for you guys, that we will even be having this site.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Heksaa

On 2015-11-29 02:15:05, Kenu said:

Hmm.. guest posts should be disabled. Interesting.

Anyways, I guess partial seeding could be done. Not all teams have played enough games (especially 6vs6) to be able to be measured. But sure, we could consider putting the known top-teams in different groups. Keep the suggestions coming.

yeah that was me, I was used to be automatically logged in in and when I already had done the post I couldnt change it.

Would anyone be interested in compiling a list of the TOP 20 teams that should be seeded evenly, in order to minimize the risk of "groups of death"?

Please do so publicly, for example by writing your findings in this thread with references to why you chose this order.

 

Thank you!

 

Kenneth

@Kenu Top 20 will be problematic as there will be a lot of different opinions about the last couple of teams to fit on the list. Maybe reduce it to 16 or 12 instead?

@gzell60: To be honest, I don't care as long as people are happy.

I would be happy to randomize all, but if we have a fair way to say which teams should be seeded separately, I'm happy to do so.

What ever sort of TOP-list someone would like to compile for this purpose - I'm happy to look at!

And then what? How will you assess the quality of the lists you may receive? How will you justify using them in any way? I know it doesn't matter for this topic as seeding accuracy really doesn't matter much, but in principle I am against trusting people with personal judgment calls. They are all the less trustworthy now as a good third of the PS4 community was not on Playstation before this year. 

my Top 20

This are  my personal ranklist .

by alphabet

 

 

1. Aapon taikasauva 
2. Bombers Hockey
3. Carlsberg HC 
4. Dynasty 
5. Ganja Bonanzas 
6. HCF Since 2009
7. Heroes of Our Time 
8. Infinity
9. K A R H U T  
10. Nordic Blizzard 
11. Nordic Stars 
12. Nordic Hockey Tigers
13. Northern Stars 
14. The Old Farts 
15. Refuse To Lose  
16. Sjukstugan 
17. Synergy Hockey 
18. TIKI TALK
19. UKnighted HC 
20. THE UNITED KNIGHTS 

 

ps. I will speak no other team bad, just my personal view

Based on winning percentage and played more than 100 games:

Team	Played	W	L	OTL	Pts	W%
Beatless	100	87	7	6	745	0,870
Northern Stars	289	247	31	11	1911	0,855
THE UNITED KNIGHTS	280	220	45	15	1667	0,786
Northern Ascendancy	142	108	29	5	871	0,761
Dynasty	375	281	71	23	2071	0,749
Carlsberg HC	237	176	47	14	1342	0,743
Aapon taikasauva	399	285	79	35	2091	0,714
Nordic Blizzard	201	142	50	9	1089	0,706
Origins	483	337	118	28	2404	0,698
Infinity	203	140	53	10	1051	0,690
Ace Holes hc	141	97	34	10	749	0,688
Synergy Hockey	272	185	74	13	1335	0,680
Tiger Of Sweden	143	96	35	12	779	0,671
Heroes of Our Time	270	181	75	14	1275	0,670
Bombers Hockey	218	144	62	12	1085	0,661
TIKI TALK	353	231	101	21	1677	0,654
Sjukstugan	235	153	67	15	1108	0,651
UKnighted HC	288	186	82	20	1349	0,646
Puckaroonies	526	339	143	44	2392	0,644
Falun Coal Miners	314	199	98	17	1437	0,634

Perhaps HC Circus should replace Falun on 20th place.

Team	Played	W	L	OTL	Pts	W%
HC Circus	80	63	14	3	549	0,788

#1-30
 

Team	Played	W	L	OTL	Pts	W%
Beatless	100	87	7	6	745	0,870
Northern Stars	289	247	31	11	1911	0,855
THE UNITED KNIGHTS	280	220	45	15	1667	0,786
Northern Ascendancy	142	108	29	5	871	0,761
Dynasty	375	281	71	23	2071	0,749
Carlsberg HC	237	176	47	14	1342	0,743
Aapon taikasauva	399	285	79	35	2091	0,714
Nordic Blizzard	201	142	50	9	1089	0,706
Origins	483	337	118	28	2404	0,698
Infinity	203	140	53	10	1051	0,690
Ace Holes hc	141	97	34	10	749	0,688
Synergy Hockey	272	185	74	13	1335	0,680
Tiger Of Sweden	143	96	35	12	779	0,671
Heroes of Our Time	270	181	75	14	1275	0,670
Bombers Hockey	218	144	62	12	1085	0,661
TIKI TALK	353	231	101	21	1677	0,654
Sjukstugan	235	153	67	15	1108	0,651
UKnighted HC	288	186	82	20	1349	0,646
Puckaroonies	526	339	143	44	2392	0,644
Falun Coal Miners	314	199	98	17	1437	0,634
The Unstoppable Warriors	183	115	55	13	884	0,628
Ganja Bonanzas	248	154	81	13	1134	0,621
Kattiautomaatti	234	144	81	9	1000	0,615
HCF Since 2009	191	117	65	9	856	0,613
No Guts No Glory	252	154	80	18	1134	0,611
K A R H U T	585	357	181	47	2437	0,610
SIKA	141	86	42	13	640	0,610
Silver Sword Griffins	248	151	80	17	1055	0,609

 

Edited December 2, 2015 by tokFan

3 hours ago, tokFan said:

Based on winning percentage and played more than 100 games:

Team	Played	W	L	OTL	Pts	W%
Beatless	100	87	7	6	745	0,870
Northern Stars	289	247	31	11	1911	0,855
THE UNITED KNIGHTS	280	220	45	15	1667	0,786
Northern Ascendancy	142	108	29	5	871	0,761
Dynasty	375	281	71	23	2071	0,749
Carlsberg HC	237	176	47	14	1342	0,743
Aapon taikasauva	399	285	79	35	2091	0,714
Nordic Blizzard	201	142	50	9	1089	0,706
Origins	483	337	118	28	2404	0,698
Infinity	203	140	53	10	1051	0,690
Ace Holes hc	141	97	34	10	749	0,688
Synergy Hockey	272	185	74	13	1335	0,680
Tiger Of Sweden	143	96	35	12	779	0,671
Heroes of Our Time	270	181	75	14	1275	0,670
Bombers Hockey	218	144	62	12	1085	0,661
TIKI TALK	353	231	101	21	1677	0,654
Sjukstugan	235	153	67	15	1108	0,651
UKnighted HC	288	186	82	20	1349	0,646
Puckaroonies	526	339	143	44	2392	0,644
Falun Coal Miners	314	199	98	17	1437	0,634

Winning percentage counts for all games not only 6vs6.... so thats a no go

Just randomize for the first touney, thats it

13 minutes ago, Smoky_d_83 said:

Just randomize for the first touney, thats it

If you want to have a few teams leave the tournament early on, then that is certainly a very good idea.

I will compile my own list later.

Edited December 2, 2015 by gzell60

Why should anyone leave? Pink panties or what 

1 hour ago, gzell60 said:

If you want to have a few teams leave the tournament early on, then that is certainly a very good idea.

I will compile my own list later.

Why? Can you accurately explain to me why that would happen? 

9 minutes ago, Billy44205 said:

Why? Can you accurately explain to me why that would happen? 

Past EHL tournaments on Consolehockey had a history of teams not finishing their games because they were hopelessly inferior to most of the other participants. Now when I take a look at the list of registered teams, I see quite a few names I have never heard or played before. It should be everyone's desire to create a tournament where newcomers can actually compete, because we will need them to keep a community like NHLGamer going. We have seen the demise of Consolehockey, and they failed at keeping known teams and gaining interest of new teams out there. I really want this website to expand to something more 'stable' than that.

Edited December 2, 2015 by gzell60

6-player ranking top12:

1.Dynasty 2. Northern stars 3. TUK 4.Synergy hockey 5.UKnighted HC 6.Infinity 7. Carlsberg 8.Sjukstugan 9.Kattiautomaatti 10. Finnish roosters 11. Nordic blizzard 12.Refuse to lose

And randomise the others? 

@gzell60 In the first tournament there will always be top teams that will wreck bottom teams in group stage, no matter what seeding you come up with. Without divisions it's just a cold hard fact. 

I am well aware of CH tournaments and not to give anything away because I don't even know what Kenu and the boyzzz will ultimately implement, but measures will certainly be taken in tournament design to mitigate the "bad team quitting" phenomenon, with divisions obviously in the future but even in this tournament. My take is seeding is an extra layer of sugar on top of the icing on the cake that is ECL. 

Edited December 2, 2015 by Billy44205

5 hours ago, Asche said:

my Top 20

This are  my personal ranklist .

by alphabet

 

 

1. Aapon taikasauva 
2. Bombers Hockey
3. Carlsberg HC 
4. Dynasty 
5. Ganja Bonanzas 
6. HCF Since 2009
7. Heroes of Our Time 
8. Infinity
9. K A R H U T  
10. Nordic Blizzard 
11. Nordic Stars 
12. Nordic Hockey Tigers
13. Northern Stars 
14. The Old Farts 
15. Refuse To Lose  
16. Sjukstugan 
17. Synergy Hockey 
18. TIKI TALK
19. UKnighted HC 
20. THE UNITED KNIGHTS 

 

ps. I will speak no other team bad, just my personal view

What kind a joke is this? :'D

6 minutes ago, selänne8 said:

What kind a joke is this? :'D

are sad that your team is not here or what's going on? these are in my opinion (no rankings or something) the best 6 vs 6 teams.

 

who can read is a clear advantage

 

32 minutes ago, Asche said:

are sad that your team is not here or what's going on? these are in my opinion (no rankings or something) the best 6 vs 6 teams.

 

who can read is a clear advantage

 

Actually it is there.

I tried to take a more analytical approach like @tokFan earlier and took screenshots of the OVERALL 6vs6 LEADERBOARDS as of December 2nd, 4:17 p.m. GMT +1.

I created an Excel sheet with 38 teams which are in the Top 100 EA leaderboards and registered for this tournament. What I did then was create a Points per game average for all of these teams. I attached the file below.

Top 20 results (only >100 games played):

Top 20 results (all games):

Not sure if we should count teams with ~40 or ~60 games due to easier opponents in lower divisions, but that's up to @Kenu I guess.

Let me know what you think about this!

 

6vs6 overall 021215.xlsx

Edited December 2, 2015 by gzell60

42 minutes ago, Asche said:

are sad that your team is not here or what's going on? these are in my opinion (no rankings or something) the best 6 vs 6 teams.

 

who can read is a clear advantage

 

No, it is there but hmm what i can say...You have very interesting view about top teams...:D

7 hours ago, Billy44205 said:

And then what? How will you assess the quality of the lists you may receive? How will you justify using them in any way? I know it doesn't matter for this topic as seeding accuracy really doesn't matter much, but in principle I am against trusting people with personal judgment calls. They are all the less trustworthy now as a good third of the PS4 community was not on Playstation before this year. 

Hence I did asked for the findings to be referenced and explained. Also, I asked to do this publicly, so it can be openly criticised. 

 

 

Very happy with the activity here guys - great work! Please keep the discussion going and comment on the different lists that the guys have put great efforts into making!

I seriously dont give a shit, everybody can beat everybody. Do as u like